House GOP passes bill, prevents statutory rape victims, etc. from receiving abortions - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;29646922]The reduction of abortion rights is stupid but nobody seems to recognize the semi-valid rationales they have for opposing abortion. [/QUOTE] Their rationales stem from misogyny so no

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;29646922]semi-valid rationales they have for opposing abortion. [/QUOTE] mind sharing some

[QUOTE=GeneralFredrik;29637151]More like: Dear America. Get rid of the shitty two party system that fucks everyone in the ass. Learn to advance.[/QUOTE] Dear GeneralFredrik. We have a different political culture than Europe. The two party system doesn't fuck anyone over. The two party system actually provides a bias for the democratic party. If it weren't for the two party system political elites would control elections even more than they do now. And they'd vote in republicans because the political elites are astoundingly economically conservative. Stop asking for things that you've no idea about.

Nonsense! Old, crusty men in suits know EXACTLY what a woman should be allowed to do with their vagina. Do they seriously have nothing better to do? Nevermind all of the other shit that they could be doing to fix the problems in this country, we have to stop those evil abortions and make sure our president got good grades all those years ago. :smithicide:

[QUOTE=Zeke129;29646973]Their rationales stem from misogyny so no[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=that1dude24;29647004]mind sharing some[/QUOTE] Concern over a fetus's life Let's say that somehow you know a woman's water is going to break at 8 a.m. on Sunday June 1st. How many days before that would you consider an abortion morally non-troublesome? Hours? Minutes? Would you extend afterwards? Not everything the Republican Party does is done to achieve a goal of total Christian white male superiority. Note, however. You may disagree that concern for the fetus facilitates reducing abortion rights, but consider that [i]in some people's eyes[/i] it is a valid reason to see abortion as morally negative or even unacceptable, and not a hideously stupid or hideous nefarious (e.g. sheer misogyny) I'm trying to explain this.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;29647279]Concern over a fetus's life Let's say that somehow you know a woman's water is going to break at 8 a.m. on Sunday June 1st. How many days before that would you consider an abortion morally non-troublesome? Hours? Minutes? Would you extend afterwards? Not everything the Republican Party does is done to achieve a goal of total Christian white male superiority. Note, however. You may disagree that concern for the fetus facilitates reducing abortion rights, but consider that [i]in some people's eyes[/i] it is a valid reason to see abortion as morally negative or even unacceptable, and not a hideously stupid or hideous nefarious (e.g. sheer misogyny) I'm trying to explain this.[/QUOTE] I don't believe there's many 8 month and later abortions. It just doesn't happen nearly as much as you seem to be implying.

I don't mean to imply that, sorry. I'm sure there are very few extremely late term abortions. In fact there are very few: [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/UK_abortion_by_gestational_age_2004_histogram.svg/500px-UK_abortion_by_gestational_age_2004_histogram.svg.png[/img] The point is that if someone told you that they got an abortion at 7:59, one minute before the water broke, wouldn't that be a bit troubling to you? See, everyone has a point where abortion becomes at least a bit morally shaky at some point for everyone, even if they do put women's rights first. Some people have different points of shakiness than others.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;29647279]Concern over a fetus's life Let's say that somehow you know a woman's water is going to break at 8 a.m. on Sunday June 1st. How many days before that would you consider an abortion morally non-troublesome? Hours? Minutes? Would you extend afterwards? Not everything the Republican Party does is done to achieve a goal of total Christian white male superiority. Note, however. You may disagree that concern for the fetus facilitates reducing abortion rights, but consider that [i]in some people's eyes[/i] it is a valid reason to see abortion as morally negative or even unacceptable, and not a hideously stupid or hideous nefarious (e.g. sheer misogyny) I'm trying to explain this.[/QUOTE] Watch for dream activity. Past that, it is a person. Before that, it is a bag of meat. Higher brain function is all that separates us from plants and insects.

[QUOTE=GunFox;29647330]Watch for dream activity. Past that, it is a person. Before that, it is a bag of meat. Higher brain function is all that separates us from plants and insects.[/QUOTE] what do you have against plants and insects, bub.

[QUOTE=Pockets;29647374]what do you have against plants and insects, bub.[/QUOTE] Nothing. They are delicious. Crunch Crunch.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;29647279]Concern over a fetus's life Let's say that somehow you know a woman's water is going to break at 8 a.m. on Sunday June 1st. How many days before that would you consider an abortion morally non-troublesome? Hours? Minutes? Would you extend afterwards? Not everything the Republican Party does is done to achieve a goal of total Christian white male superiority. Note, however. You may disagree that concern for the fetus facilitates reducing abortion rights, but consider that [i]in some people's eyes[/i] it is a valid reason to see abortion as morally negative or even unacceptable, and not a hideously stupid or hideous nefarious (e.g. sheer misogyny) I'm trying to explain this.[/QUOTE] Late term abortions are pretty shaky, yeah, but I suppose I didn't take them into consideration when thinking of opposition to abortion just because they're extreme outliers statistically.

[QUOTE=Ridge;29643218]Because it's not banning abortions, it's stopping government funding of them.[/QUOTE] Why the hell should the government stop funding to help people?

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;29647316]I don't mean to imply that, sorry. I'm sure there are very few extremely late term abortions. In fact there are very few: [img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/UK_abortion_by_gestational_age_2004_histogram.svg/500px-UK_abortion_by_gestational_age_2004_histogram.svg.png[/img_thumb] The point is that if someone told you that they got an abortion at 7:59, one minute before the water broke, wouldn't that be a bit troubling to you? See, everyone has a point where abortion becomes at least a bit morally shaky at some point for everyone, even if they do put women's rights first. Some people have different points of shakiness than others.[/QUOTE] However, people who do get them at such a late stage generally don't go into with the mindset of suddenly realizing they don't want a baby after 8 months. There's usually a good reason for it, be it medical or economical. Telling the woman that she can't get an abortion by that point aids nothing, given that there are so very few who do it that late.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;29647316] The point is that if someone told you that they got an abortion at 7:59, one minute before the water broke, wouldn't that be a bit troubling to you?[/QUOTE] I'd be more troubled to hear that a woman was denied sovereignty over her own body if she wasn't allowed to get that abortion.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;29647692]I'd be more troubled to hear that a woman was denied sovereignty over her own body if she wasn't allowed to get that abortion.[/QUOTE] This as well.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;29647692]I'd be more troubled to hear that a woman was denied sovereignty over her own body if she wasn't allowed to get that abortion.[/QUOTE] Well let's be honest, isn't it pretty much a human 1 minute before the water breaks? I dunno, she shouldn't have taken that long anyway...but...it is her body.

[QUOTE=Tetracycline;29647742]she shouldn't have taken that long anyway[/QUOTE] I said something in a steam chat 2 minutes ago: [i]a woman has lots of sex and gets pregnant she's a whore who needs to be punished with the pain of childbirth so she stops doing it, a man has lots of sex and he's a player[/i] That's the attitude I keep hearing here. We're mostly men here and we're in no place at all to tell women what they should and shouldn't do

[QUOTE=Tetracycline;29647742]Well let's be honest, isn't it pretty much a human 1 minute before the water breaks? I dunno, she shouldn't have taken that long anyway...but...it is her body.[/QUOTE] Like I said, if the woman took [B]that long to do it[/B], there was a good fucking reason for it. That, and I'm pretty sure it's impossible to get an abortion at that point without just getting the baby out and killing it.

Funding abortion with tax payers money? Completely wrong. Bombing innocent Pakistani families with tax payers money? A-OK with me!

[QUOTE=kill all whites;29647781]Funding abortion with tax payers money? Completely wrong. Bombing innocent Pakistani families with tax payers money? A-OK with me![/QUOTE] As wrong as civilian deaths are in the Middle East, I'm sure they aren't doing it on purpose. Also, you can't really expect to have control of your tax dollars.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;29647762]I said something in a steam chat 2 minutes ago: [i]a woman has lots of sex and gets pregnant she's a whore who needs to be punished with the pain of childbirth so she stops doing it, a man has lots of sex and he's a player[/i] That's the attitude I keep hearing here. We're mostly men here and we're in no place at all to tell women what they should and shouldn't do[/QUOTE] it doesn't matter they'll all catch std's in the end and die a horrible genital rotting death

[QUOTE=thisispain;29648006]it doesn't matter they'll all catch std's in the end and die a horrible genital rotting death[/QUOTE] good thing us men don't have to worry about stds

[QUOTE=Zeke129;29648105]good thing us men don't have to worry about stds[/QUOTE] yeah sure (poor bastard)

[QUOTE=thisispain;29648136]yeah sure (poor bastard)[/QUOTE] "us men" = facepunchers my statement is 100% true

I have a feeling that once Republicans (god forbid) get back into power, they'll realize "Oh crap, we were too busy going completely insane and turning the country upside down to realize we have to shovel our way out of this crap."

[QUOTE=Nerts;29634478]Who votes for these people, seriously?[/QUOTE] These guys: [img]http://www.funnystuffblog.com/images/redneck-sign.jpg[/img]

Once again, Carlin said it over a decade ago way better than I can: [quote=George Carlin, Back In Town (1996)]Boy, these conservatives are really something, aren't they? They're all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn. But once you're born, you're on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don't want to know about you. They don't want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you're preborn, you're fine; if you're preschool, you're fucked. Conservatives don't give a shit about you until you reach "military age". Then they think you are just fine. Just what they've been looking for. Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. Pro-life... pro-life... These people aren't pro-life, they're killing doctors! What kind of pro-life is that? What, they'll do anything they can to save a fetus but if it grows up to be a doctor they just might have to kill it?They're not pro-life. You know what they are? They're anti-woman. Simple as it gets, anti-woman. They don't like them. They don't like women.They believe a woman's primary role is to function as a brood mare for the state. Pro-life... You don't see many of these white anti-abortion women volunteering to have any black fetuses transplanted into their uteruses, do you? No, you don't see them adopting a whole lot of crack babies, do you? No, that might be something Christ would do.[/quote]

[QUOTE=BrickInHead;29647044]Dear GeneralFredrik. We have a different political culture than Europe. [/QUOTE] I know. [QUOTE=BrickInHead;29647044]The two party system doesn't fuck anyone over. The two party system actually provides a bias for the democratic party. [/QUOTE] The two party system fucks the third/fifth/sixth other parties that would provide a more flexible diversity that could benefit the current political system. [QUOTE=BrickInHead;29647044]If it weren't for the two party system political elites would control elections even more than they do now. And they'd vote in republicans because the political elites are astoundingly economically conservative. [/QUOTE] And I'm glad that the two party system did something nice for a change. [QUOTE=BrickInHead;29647044]Stop asking for things that you've no idea about.[/QUOTE] I will never stop asking about things. That is why I ask for things, so I can learn.

[QUOTE=Machina;29648360]Once again, Carlin said it over a decade ago way better than I can:[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJcebIEOkhY[/media]

Abortions will always happen whether they're allowed or not. All it does is put women more at risk from dodgy, back alley abortions surely? I'm not American but no one is going to ever tell me what I can do with my body because at the end of the day, it's mine. The minors part was probably the most disturbing bit to me - though all of it was disturbing. :smith: