• "outrage" over Deus Ex mankind divided "aug lives matter" promotional image
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[QUOTE=Everstvetita;50827888]Well, Eidos guy himself says they thought of it before the existence of blm. [url]https://twitter.com/GeneralVu/status/760838107948277760[/url][/QUOTE] yeah i'm not buying that
[QUOTE=AaronM202;50826504]All that matters is the execution, and Mankind Divided looks very tasteful about it. [editline]4th August 2016[/editline] There are some cases where the attempt is a little heavy handed. Doing it like this [t]https://theheartisanorganthatpumpblood.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/n1.jpg[/t] Might be a bit much when it comes to your allegory.[/QUOTE] Pryde is making the point that his bigotry is no different than what he faces for his race. "Mutie" is their n-word, even from the first xmen issue it's pretty clear that mutants are meant to be a race. [editline]4th August 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=djshox;50827907]yeah i'm not buying that[/QUOTE] Not buy it all you want it doesn't change that the art is 3-4 years old Do you think x lives matter was a fresh and creative phrase when those teen girls used it?
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;50827874]It's accurate though. They took the phrase associated with a movement and then used it for marketing. They changed it's context and try to use the association it has with the movement to create pathos for a fictional plight.[/QUOTE] Yep, seems totally reasonable to me. What the fuck is this outrage even? Is fiction no longer allowed to parallel real life?
No, the problem people have with this is that it is a cheap association. Can't you see how silly it is?
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50827968]Pryde is making the point that his bigotry is no different than what he faces for his race. "Mutie" is their n-word, even from the first xmen issue it's pretty clear that mutants are meant to be a race.[/QUOTE] I always thought Xmen made for pretty stupid allegory. I think people being discriminated against because of thier skin color are a bit worse off than people being discriminated against because they can topple buildings with thier laser vision or kill people with thier mind.
Imagine being so ridiculous that you theorize CONCEPT ART was being used to "just sell more copies through controversy" by predicting the existence of a movement years in advance.. This isn't even the first time it's happened. The original deus ex predicted 9/11 for fuck sake.
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;50827995]No, the problem people have with this is that it is a cheap association. Can't you see how silly it is?[/QUOTE] No. A minority rights protest using the same slogan as a real life minority rights protest seems completely fine to me.
Also self censoring because your art turned out to align with real events is stupid
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50827968] Not buy it all you want it doesn't change that the art is 3-4 years old Do you think x lives matter was a fresh and creative phrase when those teen girls used it?[/QUOTE] This seems like completely contradictory to the normal cynical attitude people have towards PR or the word of the big Triple-A just to support your disagreement with the outrage. If Konami said "We were planning on firing Kojima for a very long time." or Bioware said "We had the endings to ME3 planned for a very long time." I am sure you, and everyone else, would be just as doubtful. But for some reason, up against criticism from people who support BLM, you seem to take their word for granted? I'm willing to believe that it is old, but it's unlikely and seems like a lie without any evidence other than his word. And EVEN then, like I said in my previous post, this is something they should have thought about and predicted in the 2-3 years they were sitting on the art refraining from releasing it in that time for whatever reason.
i wouldnt call one stupid BioWare employee throwing a hissy fit on twatter "outrage"
Also do you people think games just take a few months? They've been working on it since at least 2011/12. It's not at all hard to believe that one of the very first steps, concepting, was made then [editline]4th August 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Take_Opal;50828028]This seems like completely contradictory to the normal cynical attitude people have towards PR or the word of the big Triple-A just to support your disagreement with the outrage. If Konami said "We were planning on firing Kojima for a very long time." or Bioware said "We had the endings to ME3 planned for a very long time." I am sure you, and everyone else, would be just as doubtful. But for some reason, up against criticism from people who support BLM, you seem to take their word for granted? I'm willing to believe that it is old, but it's unlikely and seems like a lie without any evidence other than his word. And EVEN then, like I said in my previous post, this is something they should have thought about and predicted in the 2-3 years they were sitting on the art refraining from releasing it in that time for whatever reason.[/QUOTE] What a stupid non comparison. Do you seriously equate some artwork having a phrase on it to firing and being shitty to the 30 year head of the series, that literally saved their company from bankruptcy? Edit: You must know nothing about development to ask why they didn't put out concept art when it wasn't an announced game yet
I think BLM-retards is jealous over Deus Ex because of the "Aug lives matters", since they can't own the term. All those people can go fuck themselves with a rusty spike.
[QUOTE=IrishBandit;50828017]No. A minority rights protest using the same slogan as a real life minority rights protest seems completely fine to me.[/QUOTE] You are actually wrong here imo, but that's fine. I don't see any other way to spin this, it's a really easy and uncreative way to appeal to real-life circumstances. Aside from the BLM movement, it is as dumb a thing to imagine as the Normandy decked out in Pride-rainbow colors while Fem Shep kisses Miranda in the cockpit. It's just really inauthentic pandering. [editline]4th August 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50828031]Also do you people think games just take a few months? They've been working on it since at least 2011/12. It's not at all hard to believe that one of the very first steps, concepting, was made then [editline]4th August 2016[/editline] What a stupid non comparison. Do you seriously equate some artwork having a phrase on it to firing and being shitty to the 30 year head of the series, that literally saved their company from bankruptcy?[/QUOTE] It has nothing to do with the specific subjects, it has to do with believing what you are told by triple-A. I don't think you read my post? Edit: and to reply to [I]your[/I] edit about not """"understanding game dev"""" I fail to see your argument support why we haven't seen concept art for a game that is coming out this month only until just now? Here's a link to a sonic article about a 2017 sonic game that was announced last month with concept art: [url]http://www.perfectly-nintendo.com/sonic-new-project-announced-2017-concept-art-characters-across-years/[/url]
[QUOTE=djshox;50827794]what are you even on about[/QUOTE] Anytime anything other than "black" precedes the words "lives matter" people have to throw a huge fit about it. It's now racist to say "all lives matter," when in reality we've been taught (at least I have) to set aside color or heritage in our judgements of others, because we're [I]all[/I] human [I]first[/I]. How is it not more of a unifying phrase to suggest that all lives matter, that we should all band together to help each other, regardless of our heritage or race? It's like they're treating humanitarianism as racism because it doesn't benefit them exclusively as a race, which seems kinda racist to me. BLM is a shitshow, it started with great intentions that I wholeheartedly agree with, but it's lack of any sort of structure has allowed it to be hijacked by a very vocal group (I assume they're the minority, I hope so anyway) of assholes who spout shit off about skewed definitions of equality involving murdering white people and cops, and that same lack of structure is supposed to serve as some kind of excuse as to why those statements are being made in the name of that organization? I'll march for equal human rights for everyone but I'm not going to march for targeted violence. A hashtag is only going to mean whatever it's used for, it's a great tool to reach out to a lot of people at once but it has caveats that aren't being considered. They need a different approach.
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;50828053] It has nothing to do with the specific subjects, it has to do with believing what you are told by triple-A. I don't think you read my post?[/QUOTE] What exactly was I "told by triple-a"? That concept art is made in early stages? Wow, what a novel concept. Making your concept art before beginning work. Who would've thought you could write your script, storyboard, and concept art BEFORE the game was ready to ship? Also you still drew no true comparison, this isn't at all comparable to your examples
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;50828053]You are actually wrong here imo, but that's fine. I don't see any other way to spin this, it's a really easy and uncreative way to appeal to real-life circumstances. Aside from the BLM movement, it is as dumb a thing to imagine as the Normandy decked out in Pride-rainbow colors while Fem Shep kisses Miranda in the cockpit. It's just really inauthentic pandering. [/QUOTE] Well the difference between those two is that persecution and oppression of a minority group is a central theme of DXMD, whereas shoving LGBT stuff into the center with Mass Effect makes less sense. Is it some genius-level amazing thing to add to the game? No. It's a really easy and uncreative way to appeal to real-life circumstances, and that's fine.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50828076]What exactly was I "told by triple-a"? That concept art is made in early stages? Wow, what a novel concept. Making your concept art before beginning work. Also you still drew no true comparison, this isn't at all comparable to your examples[/QUOTE] I don't understand why you're so... antagonistic about this? Punisher fans... My comparisons were perfectly apt for the point I am making, that you are trusting the word of a triple-a dev despite a general cynicism for the word of triple-a. I don't know you personally, you could take the word of every dev you hear ("Sim City was made to be and could only be online") but I think you're an outlier here.
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;50828053] Here's a link to a sonic article about a 2017 sonic game that was announced last month with concept art: [url]http://www.perfectly-nintendo.com/sonic-new-project-announced-2017-concept-art-characters-across-years/[/url][/QUOTE] Gee it's almost like I literally said when it WASNT announced Stop shitposting
[QUOTE=IrishBandit;50828079]Well the difference between those two is that persecution and oppression of a minority group is a central theme of DXMD, whereas shoving LGBT stuff into the center with Mass Effect makes less sense. Is it some genius-level amazing thing to add to the game? No. It's a really easy and uncreative way to appeal to real-life circumstances, and that's fine.[/QUOTE] I don't think it's fine, and it has nothing to do with race from my perspective. I thought the whole "mechanical apartheid" thing was really bold and I think they're handling it maturely, I just think this is a really weak and disappointing addition to the narrative they were so strongly creating already. It also just takes me out of the drama of that world, it feels like a cameo from real life when DX has always seemed familiar but not exactly familiar.
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;50828092]I don't understand why you're so... antagonistic about this? Punisher fans...[/QUOTE] Jesus Christ dude. Edit: And yet again your example isn't comparable at all, and in addition you're acting like its normal for someone to automatically believe the opposite of someone when they tell you water is wet just because they aren't indie
[QUOTE=hippowombat;50828064]Anytime anything other than "black" precedes the words "lives matter" people have to throw a huge fit about it. It's now racist to say "all lives matter," when in reality we've been taught (at least I have) to set aside color or heritage in our judgements of others, because we're [I]all[/I] human [I]first[/I]. How is it not more of a unifying phrase to suggest that all lives matter, that we should all band together to help each other, regardless of our heritage or race? It's like they're treating humanitarianism as racism because it doesn't benefit them exclusively as a race, which seems kinda racist to me.[/QUOTE] because everyone is PLAINLY aware that all lives matter. no one, NO ONE is saying that only black lives should matter. this is the common sense point of view everyone should know from the getgo. no one's life is being cast aside here the term "black lives matter" is being expressed as "black lives matter, TOO" meaning that black americans have been getting the shit end of the stick since the start, and their lives should be as well protected and revered as anyone else's. this should not recognized as "black lives matter MORE" or "ONLY black lives matter" when you say "ALL lives matter" it's a giant slap in the face for this group. it's insensitive at best, and it's downright insulting to others
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50828103]Gee it's almost like I literally said when it WASNT announced Stop shitposting[/QUOTE] You are saying it is strange to not release concept art for games that aren't announced; fair point. This game has been announced for 1.5 years at least and only now do we see this concept art, so you say "You must know nothing [...] to ask why they didn't put out concept art when it wasn't an announced game yet" so I'm not sure what point you're making here. The game is announced, has been for a year and some and then we get concept art for it the month that it's coming out. I never asked why it wasn't released, I would sooner believe they are liars than "Augs Lives Matter" was in their art for so long, or if that is actually the truth then I question why release it now. [editline]4th August 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50828110]Jesus Christ dude. Edit: And yet again your example isn't comparable at all[/QUOTE] You must be reading my posts cross-eyed then. I'm really not being irrational here.
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;50827995]No, the problem people have with this is that it is a cheap association. Can't you see how silly it is?[/QUOTE] 1. How is it a cheap association if segregation is the main theme of the game? 2. Even if it's cheap association, it's concept art and not the advertisement poster they hang on billboards. 3. Why should one be angry about a game that propagates the same core message as the group you support? It defies all logic.
[QUOTE=djshox;50828132]when you say "ALL lives matter" it's a giant slap in the face for this group. it's insensitive at best, and it's downright insulting to others[/QUOTE] Boohoo buddy, not about to feel bad about people thinking everyone matters regardless of who they are
If they changed the name of the game to "Deus Ex: Augs Lives Matter", then yes, I would say that is straight up uncreative pandering. But this is a piece of concept art. Something so utterly inconsequential yet is sparking 'outrage' because it relates to a current event. I'd be calling out the ones reporting on it for uncreative pandering.
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;50828141]1. How is it a cheap association if social segregation is the main theme of the game? 2. Even if it's cheap association, it's concept art and not the advertisement poster they hang on billboards. 3. Why should one be angry about a game that propagates the same core message as the group you support? It defies all logic.[/QUOTE] 1. Adding the phrase to the game is like hanging a mass-produced Bansky in your house. It asks you to look at its commentary but all I can see is the disparity between robots being persecuted and the real life movement. I just don't agree that it benefits their narrative. 2. Advertising is advertising 3. I'm not outraged about the racial stuff, I just think this is cheesy for a universe that seemed to be doing creative or bold moves so far. BUT, this is concept art and so I doubt it's in the full game, so no sweat here.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/FRkHyCv.jpg[/img] The idiot bioware employee that instigated attacking eidos, everybody
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;50828175]1. Adding the phrase to the game is like hanging a mass-produced Bansky in your house. It asks you to look at its commentary but all I can see is the disparity between robots being persecuted and the real life movement. I just don't agree that it benefits their narrative. 2. Advertising is advertising 3. I'm not outraged about the racial stuff, I just think this is cheesy for a universe that seemed to be doing creative or bold moves so far. BUT, this is concept art and so I doubt it's in the full game, so no sweat here.[/QUOTE] Protest signs and banners are usually fairly simple so that they can get their message across to others that view them. Augs Lives Matter is short and to the point. It's an effective protest message. The banner might not even be in the game. This is [I]concept[/I] art.
Yeah, the dude is know to be inflammatory. This whole outrage is really minuscule and blown up and manufactured by some weird tandem outrage/outrage-outrage culture. The whole thing should really just be ignored. [editline]4th August 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Cliff2;50828226]Protest signs and banners are usually fairly simple so that they can get their message across to others that view them. Augs Lives Matter is short and to the point. It's an effective protest message. The banner might not even be in the game. This is [I]concept[/I] art.[/QUOTE] Yeah, and you can easily cringe at real life as well as fictional signs or banners. Of course. And I even mentioned that it was likely just concept art in my post. Why do people not even read :/
No idea what's the problem here, aug lives matter sounds very relevant to both current and ingame events.
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