• "outrage" over Deus Ex mankind divided "aug lives matter" promotional image
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The only thing that I find offensive about "augs lives matter" is the fact that it's missing a goddamn apostrophe.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50828216][img]http://i.imgur.com/FRkHyCv.jpg[/img] The idiot bioware employee that instigated attacking eidos, everybody[/QUOTE] Jeez, he [I]actually[/I] bought that mug
Bioware being Bioware, what else is new. Let them flail and die like the failure of a company they are, this is just their last gasps to try and stay relevant.
[QUOTE=rndgenerator;50828266]No idea what's the problem here, aug lives matter sounds very relevant to both current and ingame events.[/QUOTE] The problem is that people think BLM own the term "X Live matter", and they assume that the devs are all white and racist.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;50828346]Bioware being Bioware, what else is new. Let them flail and die like the failure of a company they are, this is just their last gasps to try and stay relevant.[/QUOTE] Makes me sad because I like SWTOR
[QUOTE=EskillV2;50828348]The problem is that people think BLM own the term "X Live matter", and they assume that the devs are all white and racist.[/QUOTE] no one"owns" the term, but it's funny how the phrase "X matters" was completely nonexistent up until BLM, and then suddenly everyone has their own derivative "ALL lives matter" "blue lives matter"
[QUOTE=djshox;50828647]no one"owns" the term, but it's funny how the phrase [b]"X matters" was completely nonexistent up until BLM[/b], and then suddenly everyone has their own derivative "ALL lives matter" "blue lives matter"[/QUOTE] "Non existent" Yeah ok, no ones ever said anything matters before
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50828692]"Non existent" Yeah ok, no ones ever said anything matters before[/QUOTE] you want to argue semantics about how LITERALLY no one has said anything matters? if so, you completely missed the point have you seen any kind of substantial social movement or viral hashtag take off with #Xmatters before BLM? let us know you are making quite the mental set of gymnastics in order to justify saying "Nuh uh!"
This is such a non issue kinda like the real BLM movement its like poetry
Life Matters USA for starters, or a more close to home one lifematters.org, a Christian sexual choices support copyrighted a year before blacklifematters.org, movement matters, helping kids with DCD, minorityyouthmattersmovement.org, a protest about discrimination in NASCAR, social media wise sizematters, [url]http://www.eachmindmatters.org/[/url], a movement from Cali for advancing mental health. Pretend black lives matter took a lot of thought and is a unique phrase all you want, it isn't, those two you cite were direct responses to the actions of BLM.
It's almost as if the people complaining never played HR or followed it since conception. They were planning this narrative/theme years ago and getting bent out of shape over a piece of concept art acting like it was made purely for marketing is pure ignorance. We don't even know if that particular phrase is in the game yet. This isn't trying to ~one-up~ BLM nor is it poking fun at them. For all we know the timeline could factor in that BLM was successful and that people are using this slogan again hoping for the same result.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;50828346]Bioware being Bioware, what else is new. Let them flail and die like the failure of a company they are, this is just their last gasps to try and stay relevant.[/QUOTE] Reminder that bioware made a character in dragon age whose entire arc is 'my dad tried to turn me straight via magic'
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50828020]Also self censoring because your art turned out to align with real events is stupid[/QUOTE] Not really
[QUOTE=djshox;50827907]yeah i'm not buying that[/QUOTE] You don't believe that two men of different minorities groups coined the term 3-4 years before blm, and was used in a piece of art that appeared 1 year before blm? What are you some sort of racist?
It's a piece of concept art. It's supposed to set the tone for the game. Really don't see the problem with this. Guess people are running out of things to get offended about.
Even if you don't believe their story about the concept pre-dating the BLM movement, then so what. Lets just assume they are lying. What's the harm in it being in the game? Like someone else said earlier I'd imagine people would view it as a sort of positive thing, that their real life influence is entering pop culture spaces in a seemingly sympathetic way. Fortunately it just seems like a very small vocal minority are "outraged".
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50828147]Boohoo buddy, not about to feel bad about people thinking everyone matters regardless of who they are[/QUOTE] way to miss the point completely lmao
[QUOTE=Raidyr;50831075]Even if you don't believe their story about the concept pre-dating the BLM movement, then so what. Lets just assume they are lying. What's the harm in it being in the game? Like someone else said earlier I'd imagine people would view it as a sort of positive thing, that their real life influence is entering pop culture spaces in a seemingly sympathetic way. Fortunately it just seems like a very small vocal minority are "outraged".[/QUOTE] one of the dudes complaining is a guy who is directing the new mass effect game someone like that has pull in the game dev area, no matter how people personally feel about the rpg. [QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50828216][img]http://i.imgur.com/FRkHyCv.jpg[/img] The idiot bioware employee that instigated attacking eidos, everybody[/QUOTE] always the best response [t]http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/007/205/08f.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50828216][img]http://i.imgur.com/FRkHyCv.jpg[/img] The idiot bioware employee that instigated attacking eidos, everybody[/QUOTE] Oh joy, another waste of oxygen and food
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50828796]Life Matters USA for starters, or a more close to home one lifematters.org, a Christian sexual choices support copyrighted a year before blacklifematters.org, movement matters, helping kids with DCD, minorityyouthmattersmovement.org, a protest about discrimination in NASCAR, social media wise sizematters, [URL]http://www.eachmindmatters.org/[/URL], a movement from Cali for advancing mental health. Pretend black lives matter took a lot of thought and is a unique phrase all you want, it isn't, those two you cite were direct responses to the actions of BLM.[/QUOTE] um huh?? i asked for "substantial social movement or viral hashtag" and you give me just any whopping organization that contains the word "matters" ??? "sizematters" is the only example that would work if you searched "size matters" for google search trends, however that's because of the video game title Ratchet & Clank: Size Matters. otherwise, there are no relevant search results for any kind of social media movement related to "size matters". #blacklivesmatter dominates google trends in this regard from the fall of 2014 and onwards nowhere have i implied that the term BLM took a lot of thought, but when it comes to relevance of topics in recent years of society, #blacklivesmatter holds the spotlight. and with any derivative of "X matters" you can now refer back to the social impact that blacklivesmatters has had regarding this anyways back to the poor concept art choice, it's tasteless at best [QUOTE=spekter;50829260]This isn't trying to ~one-up~ BLM nor is it poking fun at them.[/QUOTE] um no one here has implied that
[QUOTE=djshox;50831984]um huh?? i asked for "substantial social movement or viral hashtag" and you give me just any whopping organization that contains the word "matters" ??? [/QUOTE]"I can only think in twitter posts and Facebook shares." That's all I gathered from this, [I]he fucking gave you examples[/I] and the whole argument is stupid to begin with because "Black Lives Matter" isn't exactly the pinnacle of human cleverness and you're trying to weasel your way out of asserting that it is. Yeah, you did imply it with this:[QUOTE=djshox;50828647]no one"owns" the term, but it's funny how the phrase "X matters" was completely nonexistent up until BLM, and then suddenly everyone has their own derivative "ALL lives matter" "blue lives matter"[/QUOTE] Pretty clear implications there. Can you honestly say #BlackLivesMatter wasn't blatantly ripped from anything VenomousBeetle provided you? Actually fuck that, I want you to prove they didn't steal it since Deus Ex's developer saying "I thought up Augs Lives Matter years ago, no big deal" isn't good enough for you so let's see you pony up and prove BLM isn't a blatant ripoff.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50832029]"I can only think in twitter posts and Facebook shares." That's all I gathered from this, [I]he fucking gave you examples[/I] and the whole argument is stupid to begin with because "Black Lives Matter" isn't exactly the pinnacle of human cleverness and you're trying to weasel your way out of asserting that it is[/QUOTE] did you... read the posts?? none of the examples were valid [QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50832029]Can you honestly say #BlackLivesMatter wasn't blatantly ripped from anything VenomousBeetle provided you? Actually fuck that, I want you to prove they didn't steal it since Deus Ex's developer saying "I thought up Augs Lives Matter years ago, no big deal" isn't good enough for you so let's see you pony up and prove BLM isn't a blatant ripoff.[/QUOTE] i'm sure the exact imagery was just what the artist had in mind all these years, and it just happens to be oh so bad timing? hm okay at this point, the only way he could provide proof would be showing some EXIF-metadata equivalent of when he started working on that specific art piece in either case, this whole situation is such a minute controversy to begin with. i don't care for the artist's decision to adapt the slogan of a current civil rights movement into more promotional work for a video game, but others disagree, so there it is
This game is going to be dope as fuck. Anyone not planning to buy this will just miss out on a good game. You probably won't even see the words "aug lives matter" in any dialogue or on a picket sign anywhere.
"None of the examples are valid because I say so" Literally multiple of the movements were x matters, some even having LIFE in them. Also you'd have to be stupid not to understand that concept art is made in the earliest stages. Do these people not know what concept art is for or something? [editline]5th August 2016[/editline] Same for things like mechanical apartheid, these things take time it's not like they made mankind divided over night, they've most likely been drawing up concepts and ideas since 2011, when the last game came out. Being that it's 5 years and Enix has said before games/sequels take them 5 years, most likely correct. Sometimes sequels get worked on alongside the previous entry, they did it with Shrek 2 Plus names/titles are the quickest things you can create.
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:dogchill: No seriously... cease this nonsense immediately.
Boo hoo. What else are people going to get [I]outraged [/I]over?
marketing team uses english words, obviously implying they're racist, demeaning black lives, and on top of that they're literal white hitlers that don't know what its like to be oppressed!!!
The game designer from Bioware that was at the forefront of stirring up this controversy is a pretty big scumbag and I feel like before this thread drifts into the abyss we should take a closer look at someone that is a clear cut racist being protected by his minority status. [url]https://heatst.com/culture-wars/mass-effect-designer-manveer-heir-hates-white-people-and-wants-the-world-to-know/[/url] This article barely scratches the surface of his tweets, which are absolutely ridiculous in some areas. If a white male working in the industry made just one controversial tweet equivalent to what this guy puts out they'd already be blacklisted from the industry. Bioware and EA have been huge advocates for diversity in the industry, if they truly cared about this shit rather than the good publicity they would put this guy out of a job already.
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