Charles Barkley: ‘Unintelligent’ black people are 'brainwashed' to hold back successful blacks
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[QUOTE]It’s a dirty dark secret in the black community[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=CheeseMan;46342371]asian nations place massive importance on academic success[/QUOTE]
I mean to say that every ethnicity has dumb traditions that get forced onto new generations, and the ones who resist face quite a bit of ostracism and other social repercussions from the "brainwashed" majority.
[QUOTE=J!NX;46342407]People have some really retarded logic when it comes to what a "X person" "Actually is"
for instance, if you asked a complete idiot about race they would reply
Black person
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Okay, I chuckled.
Really though, this IS the problem:
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;46340538]Anti-intellectualism is all over the place in American culture, not just black American culture. You find it just about anywhere you find economically disadvantaged, uneducated people. It's not like this is some glaring, unique flaw in black culture. It's as American as pickup trucks and triple cheeseburgers.
Hell, we (whites) have an entire political party that wins elections by pandering to anti-intellectualism. Blacks didn't send a thug to the White House, but we elected a C-student born-again Christian.[/QUOTE]
It has much less to do with ethnicity imo (while it could be more prevalent in minorities, I have no idea), but in the public school system, those with high levels of social confidence and aptitude seem more likely to succeed among their peers than those without. Their academic success has little or no impact on their social success, and therefor, those with a high level of confidence have an extreme level of influence over the entire student demographic as a whole. If the popular kid doesn't like learning and chooses to rebel, people will follow. If the popular kid loves to learn and excels in class, students will either praise or overlook this quality as his social abilities are far more attractive to them.
There's a specific name for this (phenomenon?), but I can't remember what it is.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;46340973]Another problem I think is garbage ass rappers like Chief Keef, Juicy J, Rae Srummurd (No flex zone), 2 Chainz, and Tyga (among others). pushing out the message to young impressionable youth that "Success is selling dope, shooting people, having gold chains and diamonds, and having sex with hella bitches". You never hear big rappers (sans Childish Gambino and others) rapping about books and getting your masters and shit and doing your homework.[/QUOTE]
This is why I think role models are so important. If you're a kid growing up and you look around, who are the successful people you see in your own community? If the successes are the criminals, drug dealers and the like, then no amount of "do good in school" is going to outweigh that. It's hard to convince someone that an education is so valuable if they don't even know anyone with higher education. It becomes an abstract concept to them, something people talk about but doesn't apply to their lives.
this and the term gentrification are the two things that really need to go away
i've heard gentrification used as if its a bad thing people are actually moving into harlem, as if its a bad thing people aren't getting shot, stabbed, or dying by the needle in the streets
you can't have a culture built on non-success and then hate those few that do succeed. but really this is a symptom of the larger problem of inequality
Carlton should have been the prince of Bel-Air
I'm gonna share something kinda personal
i spent 4th through 8th grade in a small town named Elko (Nevada), i moved there from Chile. Naturally since i didn't speak any English when i first moved in, during the first months my only friends were other Latinos, mostly Mexicans (I made some American friends when i learned English). We were all really close, I learned most of my English from them, they looked out for me, and I looked out for them. In 8th grade I moved to Salt lake City Utah for my stepfather's work, and did all my high school education here (I'm in 12th grade now)
A few weeks back I visited the town, I was only stopping by though so i didn't really have time to say hi to anyone, but as fate should have it I ran into some of my old Latino buddies. Of course everyone had changed but we still shared the same old bond, so we had a pretty long conversation. I asked them what they were planning to do after high school, and the conversation took a pretty bad turn. Most of them had dropped out, and none of them were gonna seek any further education. Of course, there's nothing wrong with this but I told them that I'd been working pretty hard so i could get into a good school so i'd gotten some scholarships to go to The University of Utah, and they just went off on me. they said I'm a pussy who just wanted to be white now, and that I probably thought I was just better than everyone else. I didn't even try to argue with them because i couldn't believe people who were suppossed to be my friends weren't even happy to hear my hard work had payed.
I'm glad barkley is putting this out there, I'm not sure how it is for other minorities in the US, but I think what he says definitely applies to Latin Americans too
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;46343259]This is why I think role models are so important. If you're a kid growing up and you look around, who are the successful people you see in your own community? If the successes are the criminals, drug dealers and the like, then no amount of "do good in school" is going to outweigh that. It's hard to convince someone that an education is so valuable if they don't even know anyone with higher education. It becomes an abstract concept to them, something people talk about but doesn't apply to their lives.[/QUOTE]
Black people need more good role models. I don't think the media does a job of providing role models. It's like if a black guy can't throw a ball or act a fool, then they aren't represented. We need more Cosby Show. We need more images of clean cut, educated, career oriented black people living in nice neighborhoods. We need to show the thug/gangsta lifestyle is an undesirable dead end.
[QUOTE=Chaplin;46345925]I'm gonna share something kinda personal
i spent 4th through 8th grade in a small town named Elko (Nevada), i moved there from Chile. Naturally since i didn't speak any English when i first moved in, during the first months my only friends were other Latinos, mostly Mexicans (I made some American friends when i learned English). We were all really close, I learned most of my English from them, they looked out for me, and I looked out for them. In 8th grade I moved to Salt lake City Utah for my stepfather's work, and did all my high school education here (I'm in 12th grade now)
A few weeks back I visited the town, I was only stopping by though so i didn't really have time to say hi to anyone, but as fate should have it I ran into some of my old Latino buddies. Of course everyone had changed but we still shared the same old bond, so we had a pretty long conversation. I asked them what they were planning to do after high school, and the conversation took a pretty bad turn. Most of them had dropped out, and none of them were gonna seek any further education. Of course, there's nothing wrong with this but I told them that I'd been working pretty hard so i could get into a good school so i'd gotten some scholarships to go to The University of Utah, and they just went off on me. they said I'm a pussy who just wanted to be white now, and that I probably thought I was just better than everyone else. I didn't even try to argue with them because i couldn't believe people who were suppossed to be my friends weren't even happy to hear my hard work had payed.
I'm glad barkley is putting this out there, I'm not sure how it is for other minorities in the US, but I think what he says definitely applies to Latin Americans too[/QUOTE]
I've watched friends from the inner city of Philly get chewed out at school for not being involved and doing their best and then get chewed out at home by peers for trying to be involved in their education.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;46340973]Another problem I think is garbage ass rappers like Chief Keef, Juicy J, Rae Srummurd (No flex zone), 2 Chainz, and Tyga (among others). pushing out the message to young impressionable youth that "Success is selling dope, shooting people, having gold chains and diamonds, and having sex with hella bitches". You never hear big rappers (sans Childish Gambino and others) rapping about books and getting your masters and shit and doing your homework.[/QUOTE]
What you're effectively saying is the same thing soccer moms say when they complain about hip-hop and rap corrupting the youth.
Not saying I disagree though.
I am embarrassed posting this link because it is such a terrible way to view a video, but....
The information is really good and it exemplifies the problem perfectly. It also shows that people have known about this for years and at a professional level as well.
[url]http://abavtooldev.pearsoncmg.com/myeducationlab/singleplay.php?projectID=foundations2008ABC&clipID=Actng_White.flv[/url]
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46346927]What you're effectively saying is the same thing soccer moms say when they complain about hip-hop and rap corrupting the youth.
Not saying I disagree though.[/QUOTE]
Rap music promotes violence and rudeness to hoes.
This is why I yearn to be a teacher.
In my eyes, youth today are just people waiting to learn, but too many people are shutting the door
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46346927]What you're effectively saying is the same thing soccer moms say when they complain about hip-hop and rap corrupting the youth.
Not saying I disagree though.[/QUOTE]
Well it's the truth. Don't get me wrong, I love Hip Hop and Rap (and I actually listen to those rappers), it's my absolute favorite genre of music. But at the same time I totally think that shit like this
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHguy4xHGSg[/media]
Is seriously misleading to impressionable youth that listen to this shit and encourages anti-intellectualism. When you get older and listen to this stuff you start to realize how ridiculous and unrealistic it is.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;46347383]Well it's the truth. Don't get me wrong, I love Hip Hop and Rap (and I actually listen to those rappers), it's my absolute favorite genre of music. But at the same time I totally think that shit like this
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHguy4xHGSg[/media]
Is seriously misleading to impressionable youth that listen to this shit and encourages anti-intellectualism. When you get older and listen to this stuff you start to realize how ridiculous and unrealistic it is.[/QUOTE]
It's not the music that's making kids deal drugs. This is the [I]exact[/I] same argument as "video games make people shoot up schools."
It's music. They'd deal drugs even if they were listening to smooth jazz. This type of music develops from a culture - music does not create a culture.
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[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;46340973]Another problem I think is garbage ass rappers like Chief Keef, Juicy J, Rae Srummurd (No flex zone), 2 Chainz, and Tyga (among others). pushing out the message to young impressionable youth that "Success is selling dope, shooting people, having gold chains and diamonds, and having sex with hella bitches". You never hear big rappers (sans Childish Gambino and others) rapping about books and getting your masters and shit and doing your homework.[/QUOTE]
"Another problem is garbage ass games like Postal 2, Hatred, Grand Theft Auto, Mass Effect, Halo, and Dead Space (among others) pushing out the message to young impressionable gaming youth that "success is running over pedestrians, shooting people, getting high scores and the most points, and raping aliens." You never hear about these big games (sans The Sims and Minecraft) making games about cleaning up the environment and mentoring children in schools."
Come the fuck on. This is laughably hypocritical - twenty people here think rap is a major driving force in how young people act, and then get all up in arms when people say the exact same thing about video games.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;46347719]It's not the music that's making kids deal drugs. This is the [I]exact[/I] same argument as "video games make people shoot up schools."
It's music. They'd deal drugs even if they were listening to smooth jazz. This type of music develops from a culture - music does not create a culture.[/QUOTE]
That was the slippery slope argument I was leading to
[QUOTE=cqbcat;46346027]Black people need more good role models. I don't think the media does a job of providing role models. It's like if a black guy can't throw a ball or act a fool, then they aren't represented. We need more Cosby Show. We need more images of clean cut, educated, career oriented black people living in nice neighborhoods. We need to show the thug/gangsta lifestyle is an undesirable dead end.[/QUOTE]
first we need to start fixing the system that tells black kids that they'll end up in the thug/gangsta lifestyle though, but reinforcing that its a bad horrible lifestyle is equally important
[QUOTE=.Isak.;46347719]It's not the music that's making kids deal drugs. This is the [I]exact[/I] same argument as "video games make people shoot up schools."
It's music. They'd deal drugs even if they were listening to smooth jazz. This type of music develops from a culture - music does not create a culture.
[editline]27th October 2014[/editline]
"Another problem is garbage ass games like Postal 2, Hatred, Grand Theft Auto, Mass Effect, Halo, and Dead Space (among others) pushing out the message to young impressionable gaming youth that "success is running over pedestrians, shooting people, getting high scores and the most points, and raping aliens." You never hear about these big games (sans The Sims and Minecraft) making games about cleaning up the environment and mentoring children in schools."
Come the fuck on. This is laughably hypocritical - twenty people here think rap is a major driving force in how young people act, and then get all up in arms when people say the exact same thing about video games.[/QUOTE]
It's like you went out of your way to make this post about your precious video games. You're missing the point of what I said, I never said listening to 2 Chainz = dealing drugs, I said this type of popular music that young impressionable, disadvantaged, minority youth listen to encourages anti-intellectualism behavior and "thug life" shit. Ever hear of a role model?
I need shitty rap to play san andreas
[editline]28th October 2014[/editline]
Successfully
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Did you just compare Biz Markie to thugs and gangsters?
Should I remind you he made a song about picking his nose and works in Yo Gabba Gabba?
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;46348079]It's like you went out of your way to make this post about your precious video games. You're missing the point of what I said, I never said listening to 2 Chainz = dealing drugs, I said this type of popular music that young impressionable, disadvantaged, minority youth listen to encourages anti-intellectualism behavior and "thug life" shit. Ever hear of a role model?[/QUOTE]
That's about as stupid a conclusion as saying Bon Iver or The Decemberists encourages depression and so those bands are bad role models. You can make anyone a bad role model by digging deep enough.
It's entertainment. I'd say that the rappers you've mentioned are better role models than most people, excluding Chief Keef who's in and out of jail. 2 Chainz is a very successful musician (and his music is 90% self-parody and comedy), and he's absolutely an educated person. They've managed to make the best of a poor situation and have used their talents to escape the trap. Just because they aren't telling kids to stay in school doesn't mean they're advocating for gang violence and drug abuse.
Nobody wants to listen to rap about learning geometry. It's entertainment that buds from a negative lifestyle that the artists themselves have experienced.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;46348079]It's like you went out of your way to make this post about your precious video games. You're missing the point of what I said, I never said listening to 2 Chainz = dealing drugs, I said this type of popular music that young impressionable, disadvantaged, minority youth listen to encourages anti-intellectualism behavior and "thug life" shit. Ever hear of a role model?[/QUOTE]
I'm sure plenty of people have Tyler the Creator as a role model but they don't go kill people, burn shit, or drop out of school, right?
[QUOTE=xxncxx;46348489]I'm sure plenty of people have Tyler the Creator as a role model but they don't go kill people, burn shit, or drop out of school, right?[/QUOTE]
How fucked do you have to be to have Tyler the Creator as your role model? I enjoy listening to his music but his antics aren't something I'd necessarily look up to him for. Also, read again I never said that listening to the music will make you kill people and do drugs I said llistening to this music encourages the type of behavior Charles Barkley is talking about in youth.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;46348556]How fucked do you have to be to have Tyler the Creator as your role model? I enjoy listening to his music but his antics aren't something I'd necessarily look up to him for. Also, read again I never said that listening to the music will make you kill people and do drugs I said llistening to this music encourages the type of behavior Charles Barkley is talking about in youth.[/QUOTE]
I think you need to read more into his lyrics, maybe give Wolf and Bastard another listen.
My point is, music doesn't encourage people to do shit. Like someone has already said before, you can change the word music out for any other form of media and it would still be flat out wrong.
[QUOTE=xxncxx;46348580]I think you need to read more into his lyrics, maybe give Wolf and Bastard another listen.
My point is, music doesn't encourage people to do shit. Like someone has already said before, you can change the word music out for any other form of media and it would still be flat out wrong.[/QUOTE]
The difference is that musicians/athletes are real people who can act as role models in the real world while video game characters are fake. They don't exist in the real world. So there's no real person to emulate.
There's a difference between saying, "Wow, that rapper is a cool guy. I want to be just like him with all the cash and babes," and, "Wow, that GTA4 guy is good at stealing cars and it doesn't even end up bad for him. I'm sure it will work the same way in real life."
[QUOTE=.Isak.;46347719]It's not the music that's making kids deal drugs. This is the [I]exact[/I] same argument as "video games make people shoot up schools."
It's music. They'd deal drugs even if they were listening to smooth jazz. This type of music develops from a culture - music does not create a culture.[/QUOTE]No, music does create a culture as much as it is created by it. You think metal culture spawned out of nowhere and the music reflected that? How about punk? Sure the attitudes were there but really, the subculture would [i]not[/i] be the same without the music to go with it. You cannot say the same thing about video games, at least not the ones you've referenced, you can't emulate the characters in those games. Nobody's tried to be that guy who saves the world by fighting off an armada of alien warships showing up in high orbit. You can't be that guy because that guy doesn't exist and that's not going to happen, it's pure fiction and is entirely divorced from reality. Now, as for music... you sure as hell can emulate a cool badass on stage who smokes cigarettes, drinks, and gets into fights just because he fucking wants to fight. That's something that can be attained, and it's something tangible and desirable because just look at him! He's so cool, [i]you think he's cool.[/i] This is a goal that can be reached because he's just as much flesh and blood as you are so if you try hard you can actually be that guy.
This is textbook hero-worship and it's the one reason why musicians and actors have historically been well-liked and appreciated by the population. You're essentially telling us that all the big name musicians in history have never inspired anyone to be like them ever. Fuck, Rockabilly became a thing because Elvis could shake his hips and turn every teenage vagina in a fifty foot radius into a waterfall. Elvis was the guy who made desegregated radio a thing, and if you know a goddamn thing about music post 1950, you'll know why this is a big fuckin' deal.
Music has been a driving force in our culture and that is never, ever going to change.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;46347383]Well it's the truth. Don't get me wrong, I love Hip Hop and Rap (and I actually listen to those rappers), it's my absolute favorite genre of music. But at the same time I totally think that shit like this
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHguy4xHGSg[/media]
Is seriously misleading to impressionable youth that listen to this shit and encourages anti-intellectualism. When you get older and listen to this stuff you start to realize how ridiculous and unrealistic it is.[/QUOTE]
why do people think pharrell williams' hats look fashionable
holy shit that thing looks awful
its like he's trying way too hard to have his own special ~thing~
It looks like a ten gallon from a really fucking old western cartoon