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[QUOTE=alien_guy;42076285]Who says its a magical number, its just twice 60hz so you can do vsync properly. Framerates affect input lag aswell you know.[/QUOTE] When your framerate is high enough the input lag is negligible, the frametime for 60FPS is so small that you shouldn't notice anything higher than it. Besides, most games should separate their input and rendering (keeps it fair), so input lag won't be a thing, it just takes a few ms (and I mean a few at 30FPS, at 60 its a fraction) more to actually see the update.
[QUOTE=alien_guy;42076285]Who says its a magical number, its just twice 60hz so you can do vsync properly. Framerates affect input lag aswell you know.[/QUOTE] It is a magical number unless you guys are referencing a peer reviewed document, doubling a number doesn't automatically make it feel better. I still play games at 30 frames per second, mainly MWO and Planetside 2, yes I notice the difference between 30 and 60. Take a game like TF2 where I max it and get 110 to 120 frames per second, I just vsync. There is not really a difference and even if there was, I can't see it. You guys can dance around and say 120 is better, but until we get clear proof of this, all of you are using anecdotal evidence. Plus the fact that Television and Movies have been doing perfectly fine without exceeding 30.
[QUOTE=Swilly;42076326]It is a magical number unless you guys are referencing a peer reviewed document, doubling a number doesn't automatically make it feel better. I still play games at 30 frames per second, mainly MWO and Planetside 2, yes I notice the difference between 30 and 60. Take a game like TF2 where I max it and get 110 to 120 frames per second, I just vsync. There is not really a difference and even if there was, I can't see it. You guys can dance around and say 120 is better, but until we get clear proof of this, all of you are using anecdotal evidence. Plus the fact that Television and Movies have been doing perfectly fine without exceeding 30.[/QUOTE] That's not how monitors work. You're not gonna see the difference between 60 and 120 fps if you don't have a monitor that supports a refresh rate of 120 hz.
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[QUOTE=Swilly;42076326]It is a magical number unless you guys are referencing a peer reviewed document, doubling a number doesn't automatically make it feel better. I still play games at 30 frames per second, mainly MWO and Planetside 2, yes I notice the difference between 30 and 60. Take a game like TF2 where I max it and get 110 to 120 frames per second, I just vsync. There is not really a difference and even if there was, I can't see it. You guys can dance around and say 120 is better, but until we get clear proof of this, all of you are using anecdotal evidence. Plus the fact that Television and Movies have been doing perfectly fine without exceeding 30.[/QUOTE] Using anecdotal evidence? Pot calling the kettle black, buddy.
[QUOTE=DeEz;42076353]That's not how monitors work. You're not gonna see the difference between 60 and 120 fps if you don't have a monitor that supports a refresh rate of 120 hz.[/QUOTE] But why support it when I can just have a motion blur and get the same clear effect as you are getting with 120? Also, is it just me or is doubling the number the only thing we come up with and then realize, "Its not good enough." We then pout and grumble until something higher comes out and then we're like, "Yaaaay", only to repeat it again. [editline]4th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Protocol7;42076363]Using anecdotal evidence? Pot calling the kettle black, buddy.[/QUOTE] I was illustrating a point, way to watch it go over your head their, buddy.
[QUOTE=Swilly;42076326]It is a magical number unless you guys are referencing a peer reviewed document, [B]doubling a number doesn't automatically make it feel better.[/B] I still play games at 30 frames per second, mainly MWO and Planetside 2, yes I notice the difference between 30 and 60. [B]Take a game like TF2 where I max it and get 110 to 120 frames per second, I just vsync. There is not really a difference and even if there was, I can't see it.[/B] [B]You guys can dance around and say 120 is better, but until we get clear proof of this, all of you are using anecdotal evidence. Plus the fact that Television and Movies have been doing perfectly fine without exceeding 30.[/B][/QUOTE] 1. It does in this case. 2. No shit you can't notice the 110 frames/s your gpu can create when your display can only show 60. 3. Movies look like arse if you pan quickly and they have to 'fix' it with shitty motion blur.
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[QUOTE=alien_guy;42076378]1. It does in this case. 2. No shit you can't notice the 110 frames/s your gpu can create when your display can only show 60. 3. Movies look like arse if you pan quickly and they have to 'fix' it with shitty motion blur.[/QUOTE] 1.Proof? 2.I concede this is true. 3.That's an opinion that obviously doesn't match up with general perceptions of the larger society or it would've changed long ago.
[QUOTE=Swilly;42076407]1.Proof? 2.I concede this is true. 3.That's an opinion that obviously doesn't match up with general perceptions of the larger society or it would've changed long ago.[/QUOTE] stop post
[QUOTE=Swilly;42076373]But why support it when I can just have a motion blur and get the same clear effect as you are getting with 120? Also, is it just me or is doubling the number the only thing we come up with and then realize, "Its not good enough." We then pout and grumble until something higher comes out and then we're like, "Yaaaay", only to repeat it again. [editline]4th September 2013[/editline] I was illustrating a point, way to watch it go over your head their, buddy.[/QUOTE] You go watch a TV running at 120 and tell me you don't see a different. Local walmart will show you for petes sake. Honestly, 120 on stuff just looks... unnatural. There's something very odd about it and I can't stand it. Probably just because I'm not used to it. Also you're being a prick, cut it out.
[QUOTE=Swilly;42076373]But why support it when I can just have a motion blur and get the same clear effect as you are getting with 120? Also, is it just me or is doubling the number the only thing we come up with and then realize, "Its not good enough." We then pout and grumble until something higher comes out and then we're like, "Yaaaay", only to repeat it again. [editline]4th September 2013[/editline] I was illustrating a point, way to watch it go over your head their, buddy.[/QUOTE] Yes why not just motionblur and not retain the original high quality fluid 60/120fps. Also making a point is only valid if you have any idea what you're talking about. PS wrong "their"
[QUOTE=Swilly;42076326]You guys can dance around and say 120 is better, but until we get clear proof of this, all of you are using anecdotal evidence.[/QUOTE] This is the stupidest thing I've read today. "You guys can share your opinion that 120 is better but your opinion is based on personal experience which means it's not valid" what the fuck?
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;42076420]You go watch a TV running at 120 and tell me you don't see a different. Local walmart will show you for petes sake. [B] Honestly, 120 on stuff just looks... unnatural. There's something very odd about it and I can't stand it. Probably just because I'm not used to it.[/B] Also you're being a prick, cut it out.[/QUOTE] Most likely frame iterpolation, which looks shit.
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Does this still have that shitty HDCP DRM that fucks over legit consumers but can easily be bypassed?
It will be at least two years before I can afford any of this crap. I always buy my electronics from pawn shops.
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;42076464]Does this still have that shitty HDCP DRM that fucks over legit consumers but can easily be bypassed?[/QUOTE] Oh my god, what were they thinking with that shit In order to record PS3 footage I have to convert it from HDMI to DVI and then back to HDMI with a converter box. I even had to use an optical audio cable to get sound. Who the fuck ever uses optical audio?
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;42076464]Does this still have that shitty HDCP DRM that fucks over legit consumers but can easily be bypassed?[/QUOTE] hdcp use is based on the source, it has nothing to do with hdmi besides, any monitor worth buying is hdcp compliant anyway [editline]4th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Helix Snake;42076498]Oh my god, what were they thinking with that shit In order to record PS3 footage I have to convert it from HDMI to DVI and then back to HDMI with a converter box. I even had to use an optical audio cable to get sound. Who the fuck ever uses optical audio?[/QUOTE] people with surround sound systems
[QUOTE=rhx123;42075597]This makes me very happy.[/QUOTE] It's good but I worry some less technically knowledgeable will be ripped off into buying a new cable.
[QUOTE=DeEz;42076020]Someone failed biology[/QUOTE] My biology teacher never taught us how sight works. I learn all my information from you guys!
[QUOTE=alien_guy;42076378]3. Movies look like arse if you pan quickly and they have to 'fix' it with shitty motion blur.[/QUOTE] That has to do with shutter speed, they don't add motion blur in post except if it's cgi you silly willy
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;42076420]You go watch a TV running at 120 and tell me you don't see a different. Local walmart will show you for petes sake. Honestly, 120 on stuff just looks... unnatural. There's something very odd about it and I can't stand it. Probably just because I'm not used to it. Also you're being a prick, cut it out.[/QUOTE] Yeah, store previews for 120hz TVs make me want to NOT buy one. Not only does it look horrifically bad, but it makes me a little nauseated...
So many tossers in this thread arguing about nothing. "utghh why do others have to have good things I don't understand?" Live your life, get over it.
are the guys that are against high framerate people who ever actually looked at 60fps or are they just trying to sound 'smart'
[QUOTE=eirexe;42075921]Why the fuck do you need that when the human eye can't even see 60 fps?.[/QUOTE] stick with vhs
[QUOTE=alien_guy;42076285] Framerates also affect input lag, you wouldn't neceassarily notice the visible difference between 60 and 120, but you would feel the difference when aiming.[/QUOTE] this, people often set source games to run at framerates higher than their monitor's (120fps, 132fps, 144fps, etc) without V sync to get much better input response. The difference is very noticeable in aiming.
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;42076498]Oh my god, what were they thinking with that shit In order to record PS3 footage I have to convert it from HDMI to DVI and then back to HDMI with a converter box. I even had to use an optical audio cable to get sound. Who the fuck ever uses optical audio?[/QUOTE] I have a vague recollection that DEV PS3's actually have a menu option that lets you record straight from HDMI, that turns off that restriction. I have no idea why you can't on a regular.
[QUOTE=J!NX;42076953]are the guys that are against high framerate people who ever actually looked at 60fps or are they just trying to sound 'smart'[/QUOTE] It's exactly the same argument as people who bitch about 40FPS films. "It looks weird" Well if you gave it more than 5 fucking seconds you'd get used to the smoothness.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;42077279]It's exactly the same argument as people who bitch about 40FPS films. "It looks weird" Well if you gave it more than 5 fucking seconds you'd get used to the smoothness.[/QUOTE] "woah, its too smooth, I can't stand it, I'm used to 25.364 fps like in real life not this retarded soap opera looking shit"
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