• Transgender Woman dares Anti-LGBT councilmen to Stone her: protects anti-discrimination laws.
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What would she have done if he'd actually started stoning her?
[QUOTE=Rixxz2;43616981]If I recall correctly, there's a part in the NT in which Jesus says something along the lines of "But don't think that just because I'm now here, giving you all of this new information, you can ignore the old scriptures, no, rather the opposite, it only strengthens them". But then again, it doesn't really matter. Practically no-one in the western societies actually follow more than 20-30% of what's written in the bible, anyway.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure that's at least in Lucas somewhere.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;43617025]What would she have done if he'd actually started stoning her?[/QUOTE] Called the police. Or someone else would have. Why is that a question you're asking.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43617002]to be fair though, the bible is really contradictory due to the different revisions and shit that happened throughout the years. i think overall jesus said some pretty nice and compelling shit but alot of stuff has obviously been twisted over the years[/QUOTE] There's more contradictions in the bibles than there are clear statements.
[QUOTE=Miskav;43617117]There's more contradictions in the bibles than there are clear statements.[/QUOTE] which is to be expected of a book revised by various groups with various objectives
[QUOTE=Episode;43615705]That line is from Old Testament...[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Episode;43615719]So, it's the old word of god. The new testament is what should be followed now. (I'm an Atheist btw, i'm just telling you what I know of it. I'm not trying to out right defend Christianity)[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=JumJum;43615764]But not required for salvation. Also, sins are put on the same level as the others. So if gay marriage is not allowed, then they would have to ban marriage between pretty much anyone. Goes to show how much these councilmen really know their Bible.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Gordy H.;43616840]Though exactly what is considered 'canon' in Abrahamic religions is often difficult to determine, let's just say that most sects of Christianity and Islam consider much of the old testament to be canon. Just because it's called 'The Old Testament' does not mean it's overwritten by the New Testament.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=wraithcat;43616956]The bible works on a basis of leges posterior derogati priori (new rules override old) So anything where the old and new testament are in conflict, the new testament is the one to use. Another thing to consider is that there are certain supra rules within the bible. And you can pretty much get out of all of these things with quoting them. You wish for me to cast the first stone? Sorry, but I consider the ten commandments sacred above all as an example. Honestly even if you use religion as your moral basis, you should know how to use it well, so that no one can call you out on the more negative sides. When even I as an atheist know one of the perfect retorts to these pushes, I'd say that the council man just doesn't really know what he's working with well enough to actually work with it.[/QUOTE] Matthew 5:17-20 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. When in doubt about these things it usually helps to go straight to the source.
[QUOTE=Explosions;43617250]Matthew 5:17-20 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. When in doubt about these things it usually helps to go straight to the source.[/QUOTE] Do remember that the bible is not the only source of the current state of being, depending on what denomination you adhere to. For instance many protestant denominations do strictly base everything of of the bible, other denominations on the other hand, like the catholic church, tend to have extra biblical documentations and views which modify the doctrine or canon in some, often significant ways.
Checkmate mr. Webb check fucking mate
Duuuude Mr Webb just got rekt.
As clever as she is, I don't think this is helping anything.
[QUOTE=Explosions;43617250]Matthew 5:17-20 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: [B]I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil[/B]. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, [B]till all be fulfilled.[/B][/QUOTE] If he fulfilled the law, doesn't the next passage leave things up in the air?
[QUOTE=Cliff2;43618026]If he fulfilled the law, doesn't the next passage leave things up in the air?[/QUOTE] Pretty much, plus Paul and others began to remove certain laws in later letters, such as the restriction on pork and the need for circumcision which was also removed.
[QUOTE=Agoat;43617987]As clever as she is, I don't think this is helping anything.[/QUOTE] Webb reversed his decision and quit his shit, so the Fairness thing is still in effect. So it helped quite a bit, actually.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;43618081]Webb reversed his decision and quit his shit, so the Fairness thing is still in effect. So it helped quite a bit, actually.[/QUOTE] I'm surprised.
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;43615725]I pretty sure it says somewhere in the New Testament that the old testament is still very much valid.[/QUOTE] Depends on what you're looking at. One of the key themes hidden in Matthew is that the death of Jesus marks the New Law, which essentially invalidates the Old Law (or Old Testament). That's why so much of the book was written to be easy to understand for Jewish audiences of the time; it was meant to tell them that there's a new way of doin' shit. Semi-related fun fact: Matthew is unique in that regard; much of the New Testament is aimed at rural Gentiles who understood little to no Hebrew.
[QUOTE=wraithcat;43617879]Do remember that the bible is not the only source of the current state of being, depending on what denomination you adhere to. For instance many protestant denominations do strictly base everything of of the bible, other denominations on the other hand, like the catholic church, tend to have extra biblical documentations and views which modify the doctrine or canon in some, often significant ways.[/QUOTE]I've personally no problem with people following less and less of the Bible; but when people cite the Bible when they treat other people like shit, at least for the sake of public debate it helps to point out they're being inconsistent and hypocritical.
[QUOTE=Explosions;43617250]Matthew 5:17-20 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.[/QUOTE] Before Jesus came, the only way to heaven was by following the law without a single mistake. Jesus never said that the law was wrong, he just said that he came to make it no longer required for salvation, which happened when he died on the cross. John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. [quote]19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.[/quote] Here he says that it is wrong to teach that there is no sin anymore. There is still sin and even though everyone is a sinner, they are still welcome into heaven if they accept it. Romans 3:23 For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. [quote]20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.[/quote] Here he is saying that it's impossible to reach heaven by attempting to fulfill the law on your own. At the time, the Pharisees were considered the most righteous out of everyone (and even then, they were not righteous enough). If you were less righteous than them, then you had no chance in going to heaven, and that's why Jesus came, not to destroy the law, but to fulfill the requirements for you. [editline]21st January 2014[/editline] If you believe I'm wrong please explain, I'm more than interested to hear.
This is almost like having a debate about warhammer tabletop rules. They are poorly written, so they cause argument all the time.
[QUOTE=Episode;43615705]That line is from Old Testament...[/QUOTE] That line is also the only anti-gay thing in the entire Bible if I recall correctly
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;43621257]That line is also the only anti-gay thing in the entire Bible if I recall correctly[/QUOTE] There is one in Corinthians as well, but other than that its one of the least mentioned subjects in the bible. Funny that Christians today make it their #1 issue.
[QUOTE=JumJum;43619956] If you believe I'm wrong please explain, I'm more than interested to hear.[/QUOTE] Yeah, this is about right, the new testament explains that the law was separating god and man. So Jesus came to fulfill the prophecies in Isaiah to establish a new covenant, and allow for the gentiles to join in. So the old covenant was fulfilled and now people can instead have faith in Jesus to eternal life. (I mean, that's what I was told in a christian school) Homosexuality is still written as unnatural in the new testament, (Romans 1:26-27 - "In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.") ( "Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." -I Corinthians 6:9-11) (Still a ton of controversy, and plenty of gay churches attempt to redefine homosexual from the original manuscripts) but it doesn't say that people should persecute them. I guess it's a lot of Christians view that if they allow gay marriage they allow people to sin.
I couldn't catch a great glimpse of that negation proposal but did it say something about it being justified [b]just[/b] because it had broad religious support? What happened to that separation of church and state thing? If religious support was his only argument he clearly isn't too informed on how things are supposed to work around here. Talking about webb here by the way.
[QUOTE=Combine Vort;43624670]I guess it's a lot of Christians view that if they allow gay marriage they allow people to sin.[/QUOTE] Which is absolutely silly because they are going to do it anyway. It would make no difference besides any financial benefits (I think), which I believe they should have a right to.
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