As self-immolation toll hits 99, Tibetans wonder if anyone's even paying attention - Polidicks

[QUOTE=SexualShark;39463905]This is pathetic beyond words. If you set your self on fire to draw attention you deserve to die. Fucking revolt.[/QUOTE] [img]http://filesmelt.com/dl/dumbassofthemonth3.png[/img]

[QUOTE=Sr.;39465391]I think getting a slight burn on the tip of my finger from a lighter hurts, can't imagine self-immolation. Though I don't understand why'd they kill themselves if they want better things for themselves...[/QUOTE] The people who immolate themselves to death for this reason don't believe a better life for themselves is possible. They do it in the hopes that it will mean a better life for others.

why dont they just resort to terrorism already

I'd bet if they burned a thousand people alive at once it'd garner more attention than 99 individuals over the years.

[QUOTE=draugur;39466161]I'd bet if they burned a thousand people alive at once it'd garner more attention than 99 individuals over the years.[/QUOTE] just put a craigslist ad up i'm sure they could gather 1000 people willing to self-immolate over the weekend

[QUOTE=smurfy;39463640][img]http://imgkk.com/i/j5pf.jpg[/img] [/QUOTE] [I]"I immediately regret this decision"[/I]

truth be told, ive never quite understood what they try to accomplish with self-immolation, i mean seems like the problem takes care of itself there, meanwhile china will never deoccupy tibet and with no political will, this isnt going to ever really resolve itself, maybe they should try building nuclear weapons, seems like thats the only way to get international attention atm

No one can really apply any kind of pressure on China right now, due to the Chinese having this huge economy, meaning lots of money. The Tibetans need to cool it with the self immolations, until we can figure out a better approach to the problem.

They clearly need to try something else. Self-immolation clearly isn't going to work. Beijing is probably secretly hoping they'll run out of people that'll go through with it, safe in the knowledge that any third party action is impossible due to how they have the entire western world by the balls. I don't know where they can go next, but self-immolation just isn't gonna cut it. I don't think appealing to foreign powers at all will help, because again, China has the world by its economic balls and any attempt at action will just see China give 'em a wee tug. Stop exports for just a week? West is suddenly China's bitch again. Tibet's situation is a clusterfuck and they deserve their freedom, but I don't think they're going to be getting it with outside help anytime soon. Any power able and willing to help is China's bitch and Beijing knows that.

[QUOTE=Atlascore;39468813]How is setting yourself on fire peaceful?[/QUOTE] You're not hurting anyone besides yourself. You're not causing violence either. That seems peaceful to me.

[QUOTE=Atlascore;39468813]How is setting yourself on fire peaceful?[/QUOTE] Someone killing themselves in a painful and horrifying way or someone killing hundreds of other people in a painful and horrifying way.

[QUOTE=TestECull;39468800]They clearly need to try something else. Self-immolation clearly isn't going to work. Beijing is probably secretly hoping they'll run out of people that'll go through with it, safe in the knowledge that any third party action is impossible due to how they have the entire western world by the balls. I don't know where they can go next, but self-immolation just isn't gonna cut it. I don't think appealing to foreign powers at all will help, because again, China has the world by its economic balls and any attempt at action will just see China give 'em a wee tug. Stop exports for just a week? West is suddenly China's bitch again. Tibet's situation is a clusterfuck and they deserve their freedom, but I don't think they're going to be getting it with outside help anytime soon. Any power able and willing to help is China's bitch and Beijing knows that.[/QUOTE] China is a big country with lots of transportation routes. Dismantle rails for cargo trains in remote regions. Don't even need explosives, just basic tools. Highly unlikely to be caught, extremely damaging to the economy, and the death toll tends to be low. Scuttling large scale cargo freighters after they dock is also extremely damaging to the Chinese economy and would likely not even cost any lives. With 100 men so determined to be free that they are willing to set themselves on fire for such goals, you could do a lot of things OTHER than have them set themselves on fire. Maybe not the stuff I suggested, but something other than self immolation. The truth of the matter is that nobody else can do anything, and, perhaps worse worse, nobody cares enough in the first place. Tibet needs to free Tibet.

[QUOTE=GunFox;39469124]China is a big country with lots of transportation routes. Dismantle rails for cargo trains in remote regions. Don't even need explosives, just basic tools. Highly unlikely to be caught, extremely damaging to the economy, and the death toll tends to be low. Scuttling large scale cargo freighters after they dock is also extremely damaging to the Chinese economy and would likely not even cost any lives. With 100 men so determined to be free that they are willing to set themselves on fire for such goals, you could do a lot of things OTHER than have them set themselves on fire. Maybe not the stuff I suggested, but something other than self immolation. The truth of the matter is that nobody can do anything, and, perhaps worse worse, nobody cares enough in the first place. Tibet needs to free Tibet.[/QUOTE] The main issue with hurting the Chinese economy is that you'll also piss off the rest of the world. China is the engine that drives the west, if their economy goes to shit ours follows suit practically overnight, and that will piss off the ignorant amongst western populations that have no idea what Tibet even is. I 100% agree they need to be free but I'm not sure what they can do that doesn't fuck over the entire developed world...perhaps that's what itt'l take? If the economy is already shit western governments may be more inclined to go "fuck it we roll in tomorrow"? Or perhaps they could convince America to move manufacturing jobs back stateside en masse? China's economy would be positively wrecked by that move, while at the same time, our own would most likely improve due to jobs being back here and more cash going into and staying within our own economy.

I don't think Tibet will ever regain independence. It's always been on the periphery of Chinese influence for a good few centuries and I don't think they want to give it up.

these people are their own worst enemy

I can't even comprehend how desperate one must be to set himself on fire for a cause. Shit's gone to far.

If someone is wondering why they haven't started riots, they have. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Tibetan_unrest[/url] But it was more aimed at beating Han Chinese and Muslim Chinese people. No journalists were allowed to be in that area, except James Miles from The Economist who happened to have a valid journalist travel pass when that happened. I bet he wrote some articles about that event.

[QUOTE=Zero Ziat;39465016]jesus i checked fp to see a stream of dumbs trickling down my ticker, from horribly offended people, apparently. the article clearly states they are uncertain if anybody cares either. the UN or NATO or any entity isn't going to liberate tibet from china even if a million tibetan monks set themselves on fire, so they are kinda right when they wonder that. [editline]3rd February 2013[/editline] but hey, they are behind number 100, you think something will happen?[/QUOTE] the fuck, who goes to facepunch to check their ticker? wow

If it wasn't for facepunch I wouldn't of known that they are doing this now. Media has too much control on what we see and hear, not enough people bother to find out more in what's happening around the world.

At this point it's a completely useless waste of life. The media has stopped caring and doesn't cover this anymore, and the Chinese government certainly doesn't care that there are 99 fewer dissidents in the world because of it.

Really there is no way to non-violently liberate from a country like China;since they give fuck all about human life. They would probably be better off crashing planes into buildings or suicide bombing at this point.

You're all weird about this shit. Mostly it's "hey don't fucking knock their shit, they are doing it for a cause", and then a post later it's "Yeah man, it's for a cause, don't be insensitive... maybe they should kill 10,000 of themselves, that'll get attention." You're right, yeah, 10,000 people should go and kill themselves. That's how you change things I guess. According to you their lives have no value though, so why care about the nobility of their cause? Plus, one thing to note is that none of them are going out with grace like this guy: [img]http://donegaldollop.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/burning-monk-photo.jpg[/img] They set themselves on fire and then they run around screaming like a maniac I'm sure. I don't think people think the whole burning-yourself-alive deal before they do it, and just how shitty of a way that is to die.