Countries reach tentative anti-counterfeiting pact (ACTA-related) - Polidicks

Son of a fucking [B]fuck[/B]

FUCK MY LIFE Do we know what the provisions of this are? [editline]06:39PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Agent_Wesker;25257630]I think Avatar had record high piracy rates but it still made tons of money because it was a good movie. (hint hint)[/QUOTE] lol it wasnt a good movie

[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy18;25258065]FUCK MY LIFE Do we know what the provisions of this are? [/QUOTE] We won't even know what this trade agreement includes after it passes, unless someone leaks it.

Guys, unless you're all buying fake DVDs or Chinese-sweatshop Prada bags, this won't affect you. This segment has [I][B]nothing[/B][/I] to do with online piracy.

[QUOTE=MrEndangered;25258403]Guys, unless you're all buying fake DVDs or Chinese-sweatshop Prada bags, this won't affect you. This segment has [I][B]nothing[/B][/I] to do with online piracy.[/QUOTE] If you cross the border with electronics that happen to have pirated stuff on them you can be arrested and accused of bootlegging.

[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;25253631]Enjoy having your MP3 players, phones, and laptops' data copied or just seized outright when you travel, kiddos.[/QUOTE] I find it rather criminal to give them that much power, the people in charge will be corrupt and "seize" any "illegal" material, without any real evidence or say.

[QUOTE=BANNED USER;25258535]I find it rather criminal to give them that much power, the people in charge will be corrupt and "seize" any "illegal" material, without any real evidence or say.[/QUOTE] And it will be up to the border guards to decide what's infringing and what isn't. They won't be given any special training.

So say I walk through a metal detector with my watch and they some how determine it's fake, do they fine/arrest me or the person who sold it to me?

Stop buying digital goods till they see we are not happy.

[QUOTE=jjsullivan;25259450]Stop buying digital goods till they see we are not happy.[/QUOTE] They don't care if people are unhappy if they're still going to go do their monotonous jobs and keep working and shit. They'll start caring when it directly affects their salaries significantly.

Heise news reports (with sources from Tokyo) that there is still disagreement between EU and US on enforcement measures and geo indications. Also reverse-engineering popped up as an issue, which is legal in the EU. Google translation [url]http://translate.google.de/translate?u=http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/ACTA-Unterhaendler-verfehlen-ihr-Ziel-in-Tokio-1100544.html&sl=de&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8[/url] It might well be the case that negotiators closed all smaller conflicts, but had to escalate the remaining ones. Rule of thumb: Never trust a press release from a host country of international negotiations (think of WSIS). Also: [url]http://www.ip-watch.org/weblog/2010/10/04/acta-no-more-negotiating-rounds-planned-latest-text-to-be-released/?utm_source=post&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=alerts[/url] Well there's also one last petition that is worth signing... [url]https://secure.avaaz.org/en/acta/?fp[/url]

[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;25258440]If you cross the border with electronics that happen to have pirated stuff on them you can be arrested and accused of bootlegging.[/QUOTE] I seriously doubt that'll happen. Do you seriously expect they'll get away with spending thousands of man hours on stopping and seizing individuals for wearing a dodgy watch or a suspicious laptop brand? To track and itemize details of every current counterfeit good is a humongous task, and would be extremely expensive to enforce properly. You're overblowing it.... alot.

[B]What the flying fuck?[/B] Why? WHY!? I thought more highly of you, EU.

[QUOTE=MrEndangered;25260327]I seriously doubt that'll happen. Do you seriously expect they'll get away with spending thousands of man hours on stopping and seizing individuals for wearing a dodgy watch or a suspicious laptop brand? To track and itemize details of every current counterfeit good is a humongous task, and would be extremely expensive to enforce properly. You're overblowing it.... alot.[/QUOTE] Yes, they will. And I'm fairly sure, at least in the US, that the people won't stand for it when their expensive MacBooks are seized because they MIGHT have copyrighted material in them. There will be blood.

[QUOTE=FalconKrunch;25253534]They are not losing any sales because the people who pirate were not going to buy it anyway.[/QUOTE] Most folk who pirate music actually go out and buy the album or band merch after the test the album.

[QUOTE=bravehat;25268655]Most folk who pirate music actually go out and buy the album or band merch after the test the album.[/QUOTE] Pirating is more good than bad, for the people that pirate were unlikely to buy it in the first place, but there are some pirates who are indeed honest enough to buy it.

Guys, this is for counterfeit goods or pirated copies of software, music, etc being SOLD around the world, ACTA isn't at all related with stopping illegal downloading (for free). At least for now.

I still don't get it how pirating can make companies lose money. You might as well say that not buying the product at all is bad.

[QUOTE=wootmonster;25268826]I still don't get it how pirating can make companies lose money. You might as well say that not buying the product at all is bad.[/QUOTE] The people who, instead of buying the product, pirate it. So they get the product, but the company doesn't get money. What's there not to get?

Is it illegal if I sing a song I don't own?

[QUOTE=blacksam;25256761]Never heard of the source. Also I recall the EU saying no to this.[/QUOTE] Yeah But not the the Gallo Report. Which is a "softer" version of ACTA. [url]http://www.laquadrature.net/en/gallo-report-adopted-a-stab-in-the-back-of-citizens-freedoms[/url]

It this meant to stop online piracy or just selling/buying?

[QUOTE={ABK}AbbySciuto;25268606]Yes, they will. And I'm fairly sure, at least in the US, that the people won't stand for it when their expensive MacBooks are seized because they MIGHT have copyrighted material in them. [B]There will be blood.[/B][/QUOTE] Hahaha, go back to the 9/11 conspiracy thread. Really, nothing big will change. I'm calling it. [editline]07:38PM[/editline] [QUOTE=nightlord;25269607]It this meant to stop online piracy or just selling/buying?[/QUOTE] Both, but this section is dealing with physical fake goods.

[QUOTE=FalconKrunch;25253534]They are not losing any sales because the people who pirate were not going to buy it anyway.[/QUOTE] While I'm not a huge anti-pirate; I don't really get when people say this. If the pirates never had the opportunity to, well, download it without paying for it, I'm sure they'd eventually cave in?

[QUOTE=Axiom :D;25253296]Didn't the EU strongly reject ACTA already?[/QUOTE] Yeah, and it will be voted on again early next year (hopefully it will be rejected again). [editline]07:16PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Nannak;25259811]Heise news reports (with sources from Tokyo) that there is still disagreement between EU and US on enforcement measures and geo indications. Also reverse-engineering popped up as an issue, which is legal in the EU. Google translation [url]http://translate.google.de/translate?u=http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/ACTA-Unterhaendler-verfehlen-ihr-Ziel-in-Tokio-1100544.html&sl=de&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8[/url] It might well be the case that negotiators closed all smaller conflicts, but had to escalate the remaining ones. Rule of thumb: Never trust a press release from a host country of international negotiations (think of WSIS). Also: [url]http://www.ip-watch.org/weblog/2010/10/04/acta-no-more-negotiating-rounds-planned-latest-text-to-be-released/?utm_source=post&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=alerts[/url] Well there's also one last petition that is worth signing... [url]https://secure.avaaz.org/en/acta/?fp[/url][/QUOTE] [quote]It's no big secret that the EU and the USA to last about arguing the rights of intellectual property of the harmonized enforcement measures in ACTA to be covered. Nach Informationen von heise online gehört dies zu den Punkten, die den Abschluss in Tokio unmöglich machten. According to information from heise online, this is one of the points that made the final in Tokyo impossible.[/quote] Good, the EU is a huge entity, if they (and hopefully next year, their parliament) says no, ACTA fails (or is only adopted in the rest of the world, but I'd call that a failure for those fucks of MPAA and RIAA that want to hang you for watching copyrighted material on Youtube).

Association of Canadian Travel Agencies? [url]http://www.acta.ca/[/url] Oh wait, wrong acta :irony:

What aggravates me is that this gives them right to seize property without actual proof.. only suspicion. For taking down bit torrent trackers, and websites.. its fine. The internet will adjust and find another way to look through. But I feel that my amendments are compromised regardless of their actions, just because this gives the government to unlawfully seize property without warrant.

[QUOTE=acds;25272109]Yeah, and it will be voted on again early next year (hopefully it will be rejected again). [editline]07:16PM[/editline] Good, the EU is a huge entity, if they (and hopefully next year, their parliament) says no, ACTA fails (or is only adopted in the rest of the world, but I'd call that a failure for those fucks of MPAA and RIAA that want to hang you for watching copyrighted material on Youtube).[/QUOTE] Well Written Declaration 12 has already been adopted so it's most likely that ACTA will fail (meaning if EU doesn't adopt it then ACTA would pretty much collapse since it's supposed to function as a Plurilateral agreement).

[QUOTE=DeanWinchester;25268711]Guys, this is for counterfeit goods or pirated copies of software, music, etc being SOLD around the world, ACTA isn't at all related with stopping illegal downloading (for free). At least for now.[/QUOTE] Yeah, and the PATRIOT act handed out little flags to everyone. The name has nothing to do with it. The border search thing DOES exist in ACTA, go see for yourself.

Here's a recent article from Micheal Geist [url]http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5351/125/[/url]