• Hans Zimmer joins MasterClass online-program in teaching Film scoring in 2017
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[QUOTE=darth-veger;51400843]I think they just don't really like his music and therefor they think the guy is "fucking bullshit holy shit how can anyone be so bad as Zimmer it sounds like cancer", the guy has composed 179 songs, tv shows and games so that he made a few shit tracks comes to no surprise[/QUOTE] Not even that. I don't hate his music but I disagree with it being cited as the best film music of the 20th century, and having "inspired" countless composers. Johnny Greenwood's There Will Be Blood soundtrack easily outshines anything Zimmer has produced. I think I still may look into these masterclasses as I'd be interested to see what he has to say. The Kevin Spacey and Werner Herzog ones look good too.
I think people like to shit on Hans Zimmer for something that is Hollywood's fault more than anything (which is doing stuff to death). But you can't deny the impact his music has had on the movie, tv and games industry.
[QUOTE=Loadingue;51400741]Nah he's better than okay. He wrote so many timeless film music tracks. Many of his soundtracks were ahead of their time, or have directly inspired countless composers in the following years.[/QUOTE] I disagree. A lot of his music while it gets the job done is very forgettable [editline]20th November 2016[/editline] He's also an alleged dick
you can't say hans zimmer is shit after you realize he made the interstellar soundtrack, especially this composition [video=youtube;a2BuJJIVicY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2BuJJIVicY&spfreload=10[/video]
[QUOTE=milktree;51400834]This fucking hate boner holy shit. What the hell is your guys' problem? The guy made universally acclaimed music and now wants to share some of his knowledge with others. I feel part of the hate is just because he's popular.[/QUOTE] My interpretation so far is that these people know multiple composers that they think are good, and they get really mad when someone they don't recognize as [I]as good[/I] gets really popular. Most of the arguments seem really petty to me and only make sense in the context that he's "too popular". Otherwise, who cares if some of his scores are boring or repetitive or forgettable when there's [I]obviously[/I] at least a couple of his scores that are widely accepted as good and memorable.
ye i was wrong
[QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;51400937]I can't find any info on that, so I could be wrong.[/QUOTE] You're probably wrong.
Disney in general seems to give a lot of freedom to their composers unless it's one of their off branches [video=youtube;ZDIns7pDIio]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDIns7pDIio[/video] hans zimmer is a good composer, do not blame an artist for the industry
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;51400972]You're probably wrong.[/QUOTE] I did find out he has a company called Remote Control Productions, but all the composers get credit for their work, so I just heard wrong information.
I'd rather have him than Steve Jablonsky who just had one good song in from Transformers 1 and then just reuses it and does a play-by-play of Mind Heist in the sequels. [video=youtube;4H0JDomv8ac]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H0JDomv8ac[/video] [video=youtube;mRdwKq4meVY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRdwKq4meVY[/video]
This thread is full of music elitist edgelords, holy shit. He's a great composer and that's why he's repeatedly hired for many major blockbusters. Get over your complex
[QUOTE=maddogsamurai;51400988]I'd rather have him than Steve Jablonsky who just had one good song in from Transformers 1 and then just reuses it and does a play-by-play of Mind Heist in the sequels.[/QUOTE] It's weird, I swear the guy who did the Transformers music also did the music for Armageddon. [video=youtube;g2Vu6c2-BPQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2Vu6c2-BPQ[/video] I think maybe Bay just hears something he likes, and just keeps using it until he gets bored of it.
[QUOTE=Ntag;51400672]He doesn't know what a melody is.[/QUOTE]what a laughable claim. he wrote the main leitmotif for this in basically one sitting. picked up his guitar and just did it. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EyM2jcBTW0[/media] "doesn't know melody" my rotten ass.
[QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;51400985]I did find out he has a company called Remote Control Productions, but all the composers get credit for their work, so I just heard wrong information.[/QUOTE] I don't like to hark on about someone's mistake when they've already admitted it was wrong, and I did also find [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirates_of_the_Caribbean:_The_Curse_of_the_Black_Pearl_(soundtrack)#Production"]this[/URL] on wiki, showing that there's at least a place for conspiracy theorists to come up with 'information' like that. But I do find it a little bit tragically funny that you decide to make 4 negative posts before eventually throwing out a completely unfounded, sinister rumor about a [I]movie composer[/I]. Are you really that offended by boring music?
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;51401044][B]I don't like to hark on about someone's mistake when they've already admitted it was wrong[/B], and I did also find [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirates_of_the_Caribbean:_The_Curse_of_the_Black_Pearl_(soundtrack)#Production"]this[/URL] on wiki, showing that there's at least a place for conspiracy theorists to come up with 'information' like that. But I do find it a little bit tragically funny that you decide to make 4 negative posts before eventually throwing out a completely unfounded, sinister rumor about a [I]movie composer[/I]. Are you really that offended by boring music?[/QUOTE] Then what are you doing? Are you really upset that I don't care for a [I]movie composer[/I]
[QUOTE=Joazzz;51401039]what a laughable claim. he wrote the main leitmotif for this in basically one sitting. picked up his guitar and just did it. "doesn't know melody" my rotten ass.[/QUOTE] It's worrying that the best example you can find is that. I don't think he's a bad producer but I completely disagree with him being cited as "one of the best".
[QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;51401050]Then what are you doing?[/QUOTE] Pointing out your extremely disproportionate reaction to a guy that [I]makes boring music[/I], in the hopes that I might convince you that you're way overreacting and might want to consider forgetting about Hans Zimmer, since you seem to be either consciously or subconsciously collecting negative, false information that you baselessly throw out while you're in the process of making multiple negative posts about a composer you find boring. I needed to point out your mistake even though you had already admitted it was a mistake to make my point, and I didn't like that I had to do that. [QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;51401050]Are you really upset that I don't care for a [I]movie composer[/I][/QUOTE] I am, actually, offended and surprised at the in my opinion extreme reactions in this thread. I had not expected that, possibly because I'm not in the know about movie composers. I had no idea people thought Hans Zimmer was bad, and when I saw that they did, I only saw unfounded claims and weak opinions. And you in particular making 5 posts on the first page, one of them containing a completely false rumor, strikes out to me as almost unbelievable, since I can't understand how you can "don't care for" him so much.
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;51401084]Pointing out your extremely disproportionate reaction to a guy that [I]makes boring music[/I], in the hopes that I might convince you that you're way overreacting and might want to consider forgetting about Hans Zimmer, since you seem to be either consciously or subconsciously collecting negative, false information that you baselessly throw out while you're in the process of making multiple negative posts about a composer you find boring. I needed to point out your mistake even though you had already admitted it was a mistake to make my point, and I didn't like that I had to do that.[/QUOTE] So what you are saying is your posts are pointless? I already said I was wrong and I was sorry, what more do you want? do you wan't me to toss your salad or something?
[QUOTE=Ntag;51400855]Not even that. I don't hate his music but I disagree with it being cited as the best film music of the 20th century, and having "inspired" countless composers. Johnny Greenwood's There Will Be Blood soundtrack easily outshines anything Zimmer has produced.[/QUOTE] There Will Be Blood soundtrack is definitely good and memorable and all, but it's like comparing apples and oranges. It's not the same kind of score at all, and the inspirations and goals of both are very different.
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;51401084]I am, actually, offended and surprised at the in my opinion extreme reactions in this thread. I had not expected that, possibly because I'm not in the know about movie composers. I had no idea people thought Hans Zimmer was bad, and when I saw that they did, I only saw unfounded claims and weak opinions. And you in particular making 5 posts on the first page, one of them containing a completely false rumor, strikes out to me as almost unbelievable, since I can't understand how you can "don't care for" him so much.[/QUOTE] I didn't know calling someones work 'boring' was an extreme reaction.
[QUOTE=Loadingue;51401102]There Will Be Blood soundtrack is definitely good and memorable and all, but it's like comparing apples and oranges. It's not the same kind of score at all, and the inspirations and goals of both are very different.[/QUOTE] The thing is in my mind that's really the difference between producers and composers. None of his soundtracks are really coherent compositions. As a producer he's certainly talented but when referred to as a composer I think it's perfectly fair to compare him to other soundtrack composers. His latest soundtracks have done a great job of setting the atmosphere and work with the movies really well, but they're hardly the best stand alone music. [QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;51401084]Pointing out your extremely disproportionate reaction to a guy that [I]makes boring music[/I], in the hopes that I might convince you that you're way overreacting and might want to consider forgetting about Hans Zimmer, since you seem to be either consciously or subconsciously collecting negative, false information that you baselessly throw out while you're in the process of making multiple negative posts about a composer you find boring. I needed to point out your mistake even though you had already admitted it was a mistake to make my point, and I didn't like that I had to do that.[/QUOTE] You're not being entirely fair. Most movie soundtrack producers more often than not have a team of orchestrators (yes, even the great John Williams) and sometimes even assistant composers to flesh out many of the inbetween moments. Seeing how many films Zimmer helps create soundtracks for, I don't think it's out of the question he would make full use of these. While it is known that Williams was very meticulous with his sketches, I have no idea how much Zimmer actually does for his scores. Edit: The Dark Knight was even initially disqualified from receiving an oscar because it was the work of too many composers.
[QUOTE=maddogsamurai;51400988]I'd rather have him than Steve Jablonsky who just had one good song in from Transformers 1 and then just reuses it and does a play-by-play of Mind Heist in the sequels.[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;4oFgg5ZdBY0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oFgg5ZdBY0[/video] [video=youtube;L6BCj1Yesvc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6BCj1Yesvc[/video] [video=youtube;5T_r2g_k80I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T_r2g_k80I[/video] He did p. well on the game OST front
[QUOTE=darth-veger;51401294] [video=youtube;5T_r2g_k80I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T_r2g_k80I[/video] He did p. well on the game OST front[/QUOTE] that's harry gregson williams
[QUOTE=Ntag;51400672]Neat that they're doing this but I'd be far more interested in a masterclass from Howard Shore. Zimmer has a knack for epic soundtracks but there's hardly any serious development, and it usually tends towards more atmospheric writing compared to soundtracks from Williams and Shore. He doesn't know what a melody is.[/QUOTE] Listen to the soundtrack for Planet Earth 2 and tell me Hans Zimmer doesn't know what a melody is [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4krs7z2bjlE[/media]
[QUOTE=Egevened;51401449]that's harry gregson williams[/QUOTE] That particular piece was co-composed by Steve Jablonsky (IMDb)
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;51401601]Listen to the soundtrack for Planet Earth 2 and tell me Hans Zimmer doesn't know what a melody is [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4krs7z2bjlE[/media][/QUOTE] That's hardly disproving my point. It's one big chord progression, there's no melody singing over the top, no solo insturment, no singable tunes. It's certainly pleasant but not exactly absorbing.
[QUOTE=Ntag;51402007]That's hardly disproving my point. It's one big chord progression, there's no melody singing over the top, no solo insturment, no singable tunes. It's certainly pleasant but not exactly absorbing.[/QUOTE] Sorry I just posted that assuming what it was, this is the piece I was mostly referring to. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTEsnhhrWUo[/media] If you're pressed for time go to the 2 minutes mark.
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;51402100]Sorry I just posted that assuming what it was, this is the piece I was mostly referring to. If you're pressed for time go to the 2 minutes mark.[/QUOTE] At this point I'm just feel bad saying this but it still isn't really a proper melody. It's a progression. In general if you can whistle it it works. I don't mean to disparage his soundtracks (guess I failed at that), but it's just that their strengths certainly aren't melodies or form/development.
[QUOTE=Ntag;51402157]At this point I'm just feel bad saying this but it still isn't really a proper melody. It's a progression. I don't mean to disparage his soundtracks (guess I failed at that), but it's just that their strengths certainly aren't melodies or form/development.[/QUOTE] Yeah now you're just being a snob because the piece most definitely has a melody
[QUOTE=Ntag;51402007]That's hardly disproving my point. It's one big chord progression, there's no melody singing over the top, no solo insturment, no singable tunes. It's certainly pleasant but not exactly absorbing.[/QUOTE] If your definition of good music is something with a catchy melody then you've got a very simplistic view on music.
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