• Hans Zimmer joins MasterClass online-program in teaching Film scoring in 2017
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[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;51402168]Yeah now you're just being a snob because the piece most definitely has a melody[/QUOTE] Well no there's no foreground to the music. If that is a melody, it is an incredibly weak one. Good luck whistling that tune. [QUOTE=Hobo4President;51402193]If your definition of good music is something with a catchy melody then you've got a very simplistic view on music.[/QUOTE] I never said it needs a melody to be classed as good music. I'm not calling it bad music either. What I'm saying is he shouldn't be referred to as a huge innovator or one of the best film composers of our time.
The thing about Hans Zimmer is that he's a meme with alot of money, it's not his writing that lands him in film it's the production of his sound and the resources available to him, when you strip down his work they're actually very basical and simple. It's not to say there isn't any beauty in his writing despite being simplistic but it's certainly not what people'd expect Case in point visual MIDI of "Oogway Ascends" [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUwL3diQtdE[/url]
[QUOTE=Claxx;51402307]The thing about Hans Zimmer is that he's a meme with alot of money, it's not his writing that lands him in film it's the production of his sound and the resources available to him, when you strip down his work they're actually very basical and simple. It's not to say there isn't any beauty in his writing despite being simplistic but it's certainly not what people'd expect Case in point visual MIDI of "Oogway Ascends" [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUwL3diQtdE[/url][/QUOTE] Heh i just noticed that a part in that song is [B]identical [/B]to a part from the Pirates of the Caribbean soundtrack [video]https://youtu.be/cdjnonJdxtM[/video] 0:30 [video=youtube;JAxQ6n9dgUE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAxQ6n9dgUE[/video] 3:10
[QUOTE=Claxx;51402307]The thing about Hans Zimmer is that he's a meme with alot of money, it's not his writing that lands him in film it's the production of his sound and the resources available to him, when you strip down his work they're actually very basical and simple. It's not to say there isn't any beauty in his writing despite being simplistic but it's certainly not what people'd expect Case in point visual MIDI of "Oogway Ascends" [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUwL3diQtdE[/url][/QUOTE] Thank you. Composers liek Herrmann (and also Williams) dragged classical music into the modern era. Their soundtracks work both with the movie and on their own. Melding cinema with music rather than leaving it as background music. Using wagnerian development and clever orchestral scoring to really make it work. Howard SHore even makes use of this kind of form and development in LotR. However composers like Zimmer are pushing it back to basics, undoing this work. The soundtracks may sound pleasant but the trend in the movie industry is slowly pushing back towards such repetitive bland soundtracks which that video touched on from everyframeapainting. I've already dug myself into a hole of snobebry but I just hope you can at least see where I'm coming from. His music isn't bad it's just bland.
[QUOTE=Ntag;51402375]Thank you. Composers liek Herrmann (and also Williams) dragged classical music into the modern era. Their soundtracks work both with the movie and on their own. Melding cinema with music rather than leaving it as background music. Using wagnerian development and clever orchestral scoring to really make it work. Howard SHore even makes use of this kind of form and development in LotR. However composers like Zimmer are pushing it back to basics, undoing this work. The soundtracks may sound pleasant but the trend in the movie industry is slowly pushing back towards such repetitive bland soundtracks which that video touched on from everyframeapainting. I've already dug myself into a hole of snobebry but I just hope you can at least see where I'm coming from. His music isn't bad it's just bland.[/QUOTE] I think you just dug yourself out of that hole, these are interesting points now. Do you have examples of Herrmann's, Williams' and Howard Shore's scores that contrast Zimmer's simplicity?
[QUOTE=Ntag;51402375]Thank you. Composers liek Herrmann (and also Williams) dragged classical music into the modern era. Their soundtracks work both with the movie and on their own. Melding cinema with music rather than leaving it as background music. Using wagnerian development and clever orchestral scoring to really make it work. Howard SHore even makes use of this kind of form and development in LotR. However composers like Zimmer are pushing it back to basics, undoing this work. The soundtracks may sound pleasant but the trend in the movie industry is slowly pushing back towards such repetitive bland soundtracks which that video touched on from everyframeapainting. I've already dug myself into a hole of snobebry but I just hope you can at least see where I'm coming from. His music isn't bad it's just bland.[/QUOTE] Agree with a bunch of these points that the way film scoring is heading is really bad, I disagree with the idea that simple means worse. Hans Zimmer is not the greatest film composer of all time, he's contending with some absolute juggernauts but that doesn't mean his music is bad. I completely disagree his music is not engaging or unsuitable for listening outside the context of a film, give me the medallion calls from POTC over the opening theme in all the Star Wars movies despite the latter being much more prevalent in our culture. John Williams is certainly a better composer than Zimmer and in my opinion the greatest film composer of all time, but usually in his films the track that people find most memorable are some of the weakest (with some exceptions). Zimmer has never made a whole soundtrack that's anywhere near as good as the total work of Star Wars or Shore's Lord of the Rings but he still has written some amazing scores.
[QUOTE=darth-veger;51402350]Heh i just noticed that a part in that song is [B]identical [/B]to a part from the Pirates of the Caribbean soundtrack PANDA 0:30 PIRATES 3:10[/QUOTE]it's just a similar chord progression, HARDLY identical.
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;51402440]I think you just dug yourself out of that hole, these are interesting points now. Do you have examples of Herrmann's, Williams' and Howard Shore's scores that contrast Zimmer's simplicity?[/QUOTE] Herrmann's [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQwzJ6VvUD0]psycho suite[/url] is a popular one, but much like the rest of his output is quite dissonant and brooding. It's a good example of him bringing some of the harsher modern music to the cinema. He tends to build musical structure for the soundtracks based around themes which you can hear in [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAGSdAxZlw0]Vertigo[/url] where he develops those augmented arpeggios. It's an incredibly evocative piece of music. Williams makes use of [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrbAg3zkpg4]leitmotif[/url] lots in the Star Wars soundtrack. You can see how well the music and the movie work together in scenes like Luke staring at the two setting suns. Interesting to note the imperial march is based on a major chord. Another favourite of mine is [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Li0SWlwe34]Hedwig's theme[/url]. There's a great video I saw regarding the musical development in LotR: [video=youtube;e7BkmF8CJpQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7BkmF8CJpQ[/video]
[QUOTE=Ntag;51402644]Herrmann's [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQwzJ6VvUD0]psycho suite[/url] is a popular one, but much like the rest of his output is quite dissonant and brooding. It's a good example of him bringing some of the harsher modern music to the cinema. He tends to build musical structure for the soundtracks based around themes which you can hear in [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAGSdAxZlw0]Vertigo[/url] where he develops those augmented arpeggios. It's an incredibly evocative piece of music. Williams makes use of [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrbAg3zkpg4]leitmotif[/url] lots in the Star Wars soundtrack. You can see how well the music and the movie work together in scenes like Luke staring at the two setting suns. Interesting to note the imperial march is based on a major chord. Another favourite of mine is [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Li0SWlwe34]Hedwig's theme[/url]. There's a great video I saw regarding the musical development in LotR: [video=youtube;e7BkmF8CJpQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7BkmF8CJpQ[/video][/QUOTE] While this video had a lot of good points it's basically someone without any musical knowledge reading an analysis by someone else and summarising it for the masses. The website he got all his information from is much better [url]http://www.woodzie.org/lotr/[/url]
being a music guy, i'm actually intrigued to enroll in this course, even though zimmer is a bit of a hack (has nothing to do with countries, whoever said that lmao). always interesting to see how those non-traditionally trained people do their shtick. the guy can create a few good tracks (despite them all mostly being made up of horns, strings and percussion, god forbid he throws in an oboe once in a blue moon), but those tracks are basically repeated 2 minute cycles of music. he makes an enjoyable tune, but the composition is babby's first score.
[QUOTE=Pops;51402707]being a music guy, i'm actually intrigued to enroll in this course, even though zimmer is a bit of a hack (has nothing to do with countries, whoever said that lmao). always interesting to see how those non-traditionally trained people do their shtick. the guy can create a few good tracks (despite them all mostly being made up of horns, strings and percussion, god forbid he throws in an oboe once in a blue moon), but those tracks are basically repeated 2 minute cycles of music. he makes an enjoyable tune, but the composition is babby's first score.[/QUOTE] Come to think of it I don't think I've ever heard a score by Zimmer that has a woodwind instrument in it that isn't a flute or duduk.
I love Hanz Zimmers work in Last Samurai [video=youtube;lcOke5odfXw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcOke5odfXw[/video]
I used to be a lot more impressed by the Interstellar soundtrack before I heard the Koyaanisqatsi sountrack - a lot of the sounds and ideas were definitely taken from there. Still good though, but doesn't feel as impressive from a creative viewpoint as I had once thought.
[QUOTE=Ntag;51402304]Well no there's no foreground to the music. If that is a melody, it is an incredibly weak one. Good luck whistling that tune. [/QUOTE] What are you even talking about? I've had the melody stuck in my head all week, and I've been humming it all day. Confirmed snob.
I think Hans is a great composer, I just don't think he's 'ahead of his time' or 'the best in the industry' or whatever.
[QUOTE=Novangel;51404808]I think Hans is a great composer, I just don't think he's 'ahead of his time' or 'the best in the industry' or whatever.[/QUOTE] Saying he's one of the great composers of our time isn't far fetched at all though. He's built a name for himself. When people hear the name "Hans Zimmer" they at the very least expect quality. He isn't a widely recognized composer for no reason.
[QUOTE=AXidenT;51404139]I used to be a lot more impressed by the Interstellar soundtrack before I heard the Koyaanisqatsi sountrack - a lot of the sounds and ideas were definitely taken from there. Still good though, but doesn't feel as impressive from a creative viewpoint as I had once thought.[/QUOTE] well koyaanisqatsi is absolutely brilliant so I can't fault the man for taking inspiration of one of the greatest movie soundtracks ever
[QUOTE=Zezibesh;51404887]well koyaanisqatsi is absolutely brilliant so I can't fault the man for taking inspiration of one of the greatest movie soundtracks ever[/QUOTE] Oh I definitely agree, both are great, but it made Interstellar's seem less impressive in retrospect.
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;51404833]Saying he's one of the great composers of our time isn't far fetched at all though. He's built a name for himself. When people hear the name "Hans Zimmer" they at the very least expect quality. He isn't a widely recognized composer for no reason.[/QUOTE] He's prolific but nothing that he's made shows he should be titled as one of the best of our time. He's like the Einaudi of film music.
Has anyone tried the MasterClass site? Wondering if it's gimmicky or if it's actually a useful learning tool and I'd get my money's worth.
Ennio Morricone = best composer
[QUOTE=Antimuffin;51400548] The following are also to be found in this online program: - Dustin Hoffman and Kevin Spacey for acting - Deadmau5 for electronic music production - Werner Herzog for filmmaking - Aaron Sorking for screen-writing and some others[/QUOTE] Gordon Ramsay is also teaching cooking through MasterClass
[QUOTE=Matt2468rv;51405853]Has anyone tried the MasterClass site? Wondering if it's gimmicky or if it's actually a useful learning tool and I'd get my money's worth.[/QUOTE] Some reactions of random fb users are mixed when it comes to the screenplay one. Other than that I don't have any feedback sources atm.
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