Microstamped firing pins may cause gun manufacturers to relocate - Polidicks

[QUOTE=MightyMax;37455888]Wow, thanks for all the tips in here guys, I'm gonna go buy a pistol, go to the firing range and pick up some spent casings, and then go shoot someone! Seriously you guys are criminal masterminds :v: Never would have thought of the firing range thing.[/QUOTE] We're not criminal masterminds, we're just people with common sense who aren't borderline retarded.

[QUOTE=MightyMax;37455888]Wow, thanks for all the tips in here guys, I'm gonna go buy a pistol, go to the firing range and pick up some spent casings, and then go shoot someone! Seriously you guys are criminal masterminds :v: Never would have thought of the firing range thing.[/QUOTE] or you know, pick up a couple casings with the same caliber of gun you have, 9mm, .45 or some common weapon. shoot someone, pick up your casings, leave the other persons casings behind. there you go, you just framed someone.

Better loophole: What if I just grind/sand/polish the microstamping off?

Behold, the marvelous tool that would render useless this overly expensive and complicated technology: [img]http://www.techitoutuk.com/projects/tags/quiz/tools/file8.jpg[/img] Spend 5 dollars at your local store, and feel like a criminal mastermind.

[QUOTE=jimhowl33t;37456317]Behold, the marvelous tool that would render useless this overly expensive and complicated technology: [img]http://www.techitoutuk.com/projects/tags/quiz/tools/file8.jpg[/img] Spend 5 dollars at your local store, and feel like a criminal mastermind.[/QUOTE] I was just thinking that but wouldn't it make the gun faulty?

what the hell is that thing and what does it do?

Should already be apparent by this point, microstamping isn't to trace crimes, it's to make legally obtainable guns more expensive so no one can afford them. Remind you of the NFA and Hughes Amendment much?

I meant what the hell is this thing [QUOTE=Midas22;37456393]I was just thinking that but wouldn't it make the gun faulty?[/QUOTE] [editline]29th August 2012[/editline] i meant what the hell is this thing not the thing before [QUOTE=jimhowl33t;37456317]Behold, the marvelous tool that would render useless this overly expensive and complicated technology: [img]http://www.techitoutuk.com/projects/tags/quiz/tools/file8.jpg[/img] Spend 5 dollars at your local store, and feel like a criminal mastermind.[/QUOTE]

That's a file. It can be used to remove the stamp from the firing pin.

[QUOTE=nige111;37455517][img]http://www.tacticalgearco.com/images/205.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] if you're going cheap with a pistol [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4euC3f4Gb_A&t=1m37s[/url]

oh, im blind, but u can always just buy another firing pin from china, like u know if u wanna make ur gun a fully auto, its not illegal to have the parts just if they are in the gun. [QUOTE=dogmachines;37456479]That's a file. It can be used to remove the stamp from the firing pin.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=dogmachines;37455892]They don't eject spent brass the same way a semi-automatic weapon does.[/QUOTE] if I murdered someone I'd police my casings regardless.

What makes any of you think that the average inner-city gangbanger is going to reload his own brass, swap out the firing pin, disassemble it enough to get at the pin to alter it, or pick up their brass after a drug shooting? It doesn't matter if someone methodical and skilled and knowledgeable about guns can circumvent this. They're the 0.0001% of armed felons. Whether or not it's worth the price and hassle to implement is another matter, but it's dumb to think that every street thug is going to get around it easily, and they're the ones committing most gun-related crimes. More importantly, tracing guns is a lot easier than you would think. At the very least it could be used to crack down on straw purchases, which are a significant supply of illegal handguns.

[QUOTE=catbarf;37456606]What makes any of you think that the average inner-city gangbanger is going to reload his own brass, swap out the firing pin, disassemble it enough to get at the pin to alter it, or pick up their brass after a drug shooting? It doesn't matter if someone methodical and skilled and knowledgeable about guns can circumvent this. They're the 0.0001% of armed felons. Whether or not it's worth the price and hassle to implement is another matter, but it's dumb to think that every street thug is going to get around it easily, and they're the ones committing most gun-related crimes. More importantly, tracing guns is a lot easier than you would think. At the very least it could be used to crack down on straw purchases, which are a significant supply of illegal handguns.[/QUOTE] well it can get fucked up through normal gun operation (like I said, firing pin penetrating the primer)

[QUOTE=catbarf;37456606]What makes any of you think that the average inner-city gangbanger is going to reload his own brass, swap out the firing pin, disassemble it enough to get at the pin to alter it, or pick up their brass after a drug shooting? It doesn't matter if someone methodical and skilled and knowledgeable about guns can circumvent this. They're the 0.0001% of armed felons. Whether or not it's worth the price and hassle to implement is another matter, but it's dumb to think that every street thug is going to get around it easily, and they're the ones committing most gun-related crimes. More importantly, tracing guns is a lot easier than you would think. At the very least it could be used to crack down on straw purchases, which are a significant supply of illegal handguns.[/QUOTE] Except it won't actually reliably work. Good luck creating a stamp small enough to put on the head of a firing pin that will still be legible after the gun has been used for a while. You could certainly make one if you threw enough money at it, but then the price to manufacture a gun goes dramatically up.

I'm just wondering why this extra step would bother so many of you? If it works 1/100 times, that still someone in jail who could have gotten away.

[QUOTE=trotskygrad;37456628]well it can get fucked up through normal gun operation (like I said, firing pin penetrating the primer)[/QUOTE] That is definitely a valid point against it, and for what it's worth I don't think this technology is a good idea. But it's ridiculous to say 'oh, it will never work [i]because[/i] the high school dropout coke ganger who owns the gun will meticulously disassemble the weapon and file down the firing pin a precise amount while keeping it functional'.

[QUOTE=Ybbat;37456667]I'm just wondering why this extra step would bother so many of you? If it works 1/100 times, that still someone in jail who could have gotten away.[/QUOTE] It's jacking up the price of guns to make sure that technology that isn't reliable even under the best conditions is forced into use. All you need is a criminal with a brain cell and it can be circumvented incredibly easy. [editline]29th August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=catbarf;37456669]That is definitely a valid point against it, and for what it's worth I don't think this technology is a good idea. But it's ridiculous to say 'oh, it will never work [i]because[/i] the high school dropout coke ganger who owns the gun will meticulously disassemble the weapon and file down the firing pin a precise amount while keeping it functional'.[/QUOTE] He doesn't have to go through all that. He can just pick up his brass.

[QUOTE=Ybbat;37456667]I'm just wondering why this extra step would bother so many of you? If it works 1/100 times, that still someone in jail who could have gotten away.[/QUOTE] Assume a quarter of the weapons purchased are then used in crime. At $12 per gun that's $4800 additional expenses passed on to the citizenry for every person put in jail. $4800 for an arrest is not efficient and there are better ways that money could be spent. Note that a quarter of the weapons used in crime is absurdly high, to make the point. If it's 5-10%, that's $12,000 to $24,000 spent.

[QUOTE=Ybbat;37456667]I'm just wondering why this extra step would bother so many of you? If it works 1/100 times, that still someone in jail who could have gotten away.[/QUOTE] Working 1/100 times is exaggeratedly optimistic.

[QUOTE=catbarf;37456692]Assume a quarter of the weapons purchased are then used in crime. At $12 per gun that's $4800 additional expenses passed on to the citizenry for every person put in jail. $4800 for an arrest is not efficient and there are better ways that money could be spent. Note that a quarter of the weapons used in crime is absurdly high, to make the point. If it's 5-10%, that's $12,000 to $24,000 spent.[/QUOTE] Just because a quarter of the weapons purchased are used in a crime doesn't mean they are successfully traced back. If the gun is stolen and then used in a crime, then the stamping is useless. That's assuming it even works, which it doesn't. And that's assuming that if it does work, the criminal isn't smart enough to pick up his brass or use any of the other methods to circumvent microstamping.

[QUOTE=Ybbat;37456667]I'm just wondering why this extra step would bother so many of you? If it works 1/100 times, that still someone in jail who could have gotten away.[/QUOTE] Firing pins break. It is a relatively common item that needs replacing. Right now it is an extremely easy fix. You can buy them for reasonably cheap. With the new law you wind up with two problems: A) Fixing your firing pin is no longer so easy. It must be custom ordered at what is likely a significant cost. B) The owner of a gun could be held liable for the firing pin wearing down to nothing and, despite doing nothing to harm anyone, be in legal trouble as a result. The goal isn't to catch criminals, it is to artificially increase the cost of gun ownership and harass legal owners. It is why, despite everyone pointing out that the system simply doesn't work, the complaints fall on deaf ears.

[QUOTE=GunFox;37456725]Firing pins break. It is a relatively common item that needs replacing. Right now it is an extremely easy fix. You can buy them for reasonably cheap. With the new law you wind up with two problems: A) Fixing your firing pin is no longer so easy. It must be custom ordered at what is likely a significant cost. B) The owner of a gun could be held liable for the firing pin wearing down to nothing and, despite doing nothing to harm anyone, be in legal trouble as a result. The goal isn't to catch criminals, it is to artificially increase the cost of gun ownership and harass legal owners. It is why, despite everyone pointing out that the system simply doesn't work, the complaints fall on deaf ears.[/QUOTE] Oh, so they're already trying to disarm any potential revolution? Might as well go lie down in my FEMA coffin right now.

[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;37456448]Should already be apparent by this point, microstamping isn't to trace crimes, it's to make legally obtainable guns more expensive so no one can afford them. Remind you of the NFA and Hughes Amendment much?[/QUOTE] Seriously, by this point in time everyone should realize that any laws promoted on the basis of "public safety" or "fighting crime" has absolutely nothing to do with either. Who ever is behind it has another agenda but they know the way to sell it to the general public(ie the stupid people) is to say it's for their safety. In this firing pin situation, best case is they tie casing at the scene to a gun. So the cop comes to my door "Spent shells from your gun were found at a scene of a crime." "Okay, so what?" Shells at the scene does not prove my gun was there, it proves the SHELLS are there. It does not prove I was there. It does not even prove my gun was used at that location. It's useless in fighting crime.

You fellas forget that most criminals don't think about this. Besides, what if the criminal was careless? Most white collar murderers don't know things like "don't leave finger prints" or "file down the firing pin." This whole thing is very sensationalist. Is $12 really that big of a deal when a decent gun starts at $300? Another thing. This could be restricted to short weapons, because the use of rifles and shotguns are likely far less used in homicides.

Surprised these people knew enough about the guns they hate so much to know what a firing pin is, let alone how to harass people with it like this. [editline]29th August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Ybbat;37456792]You fellas forget that most criminals don't think about this. Besides, what if the criminal was careless? Most white collar murderers don't know things like "don't leave finger prints" or "file down the firing pin." This whole thing is very sensationalist. Is $12 really that big of a deal when a decent gun starts at $300? Another thing. This could be restricted to short weapons, because the use of rifles and shotguns are likely far less used in homicides.[/QUOTE] 1) "what if" isn't an argument because I could simply say "what if [opposite scenario]" 2) $12 stacks up [I]a lot[/I] in expenses. 3) You're an expert on what most white collar murderers know and don't know?

Basically guys, stock up on parts for your guns. Soon enough every damn part is gonna need to be registered.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;37456773]Oh, so they're already trying to disarm any potential revolution? Might as well go lie down in my FEMA coffin right now.[/QUOTE] Man I wish I believed in good conspiracies. At least then I would have some faith in government. But really they are just assholes. Generally incompetent, self interested, assholes. Voting generally consists of "which one of these douchebags do you hate less?".

[QUOTE=MightyMax;37456841]Basically guys, stock up on parts for your guns. Soon enough every damn part is gonna need to be registered.[/QUOTE] Only in New York. For now.

[QUOTE=Ybbat;37456792]You fellas forget that most criminals don't think about this. Besides, what if the criminal was careless? Most white collar murderers don't know things like "don't leave finger prints" or "file down the firing pin." This whole thing is very sensationalist. Is $12 really that big of a deal when a decent gun starts at $300? Another thing. This could be restricted to short weapons, because the use of rifles and shotguns are likely far less used in homicides.[/QUOTE] Even without external help microstamping isn't reliable. At all.