Woman gives pigs water, now faces 10 years in prison - Polidicks

[QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;49263243]Why would they even go out of their way to give the pigs water? They're going to be slaughtered anyway.[/QUOTE] Yeah, but the least we could do is make sure that pigs and other livestock have decent enough well-being in their short miserable lives before they're sent off to be slaughtered, so we may as well do that. Not in the same manner as how the woman handled it, sure, but in a more well-regulated manner like ironman17 suggested. Honestly, giving them water while they're in those hot boxes should be like an absolute minimum.

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;49262235]This is how this should be handled: If the pigs turned out to be poisoned in any way from whatever this woman gave them, she should definitely face jailtime. Otherwise just release her.[/QUOTE] this

[QUOTE=Megadave;49261764]Jesus fucking christ "animal activist" do this shit? well, I guess no ideal is safe from extremism anymore. but holy fuck. [editline]6th December 2015[/editline] He thinks he's being acute.[/QUOTE] Animal rights activists are notorious for being murderous bastards. Look at ELF and ALF. Those are the kinds of people that put metal spikes in trees that not only harm the trees they're trying to prevent being logged, they also can kill a logger when the chainsaw runs through them. I would whole heartedly question what the fuck that lady was doing there and fear for my safety if I was that driver. [editline]7th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=0x0000000C;49261789]I understand the charges, but 10 years is flat out fucking retarded. It wasn't even mean spirited.[/QUOTE] How do you know is the issue. Also, [i]up to[/i] ten years. It's up to the judge to decide her sentence.

I don't understand why you would give the pigs water, but 10 years for this? That's just retarded

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;49263253]He was probably just kind of angry that some random woman started giving unidentified liquids to his paycheck.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't blame him for being upset about it, but I've noticed that people tend to say that animals aren't human to as a way to justify the negligence towards livestock's well-being in a lot of cases in the meat industry. While it's indeed true that livestocks like cows, chickens, pigs, and etc aren't human, that alone shouldn't prevent us from doing whatever we can to make sure that these animals aren't living absolutely unbearable lives in the meat industry.

[QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;49263243]Why would they even go out of their way to give the pigs water? They're going to be slaughtered anyway.[/QUOTE] You do realize pigs are sentient, right?

[QUOTE=Kommodore;49261714]is activist a dirty word now[/QUOTE] *cough* Green"peace" *cough*

[QUOTE=elowin;49263414]You do realize pigs are sentient, right?[/QUOTE] there is reason to believe that all animals are sentient

[QUOTE=Havolis;49263392]I don't understand why you would give the pigs water, but 10 years for this? That's just retarded[/QUOTE] It's [i]up to[/i] ten years. I really doubt she'll get the maximum sentence.

[QUOTE=elowin;49263414]You do realize pigs are sentient, right?[/QUOTE] As odd as this may sound not all species are "as sentient" as others. It's not a binary measure, it's more of a spectrum. Sentience being the measure of the ability to feel, perceive and experience [I]subjectively[/I] (read, responses that aren't simply instinct but an actual independent, individual response), it's clear that some animals express this more than others. A pig being sentient doesn't really mean much because that's something that can be said for a whole lot of animals.

[QUOTE=elowin;49263414]You do realize pigs are sentient, right?[/QUOTE] as soon as they get on that truck, they're food.

[QUOTE=elowin;49263414]You do realize pigs are sentient, right?[/QUOTE]Hi, farmer here. Going to have to disagree with you on that, pigs are smart but they're not fucking sentient. At least not the ones they breed for slaughter, they're dumb as rocks. Granted I didn't grow up on a pig farm but I've been around them enough.

[QUOTE=Kommodore;49261714]is activist a dirty word now[/QUOTE] Only for people who haven't been active for anything ever except in twitter shitstorms

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;49263555]As odd as this may sound not all species are "as sentient" as others. It's not a binary measure, it's more of a spectrum. Sentience being the measure of the ability to feel, perceive and experience [I]subjectively[/I] (read, responses that aren't simply instinct but an actual independent, individual response), it's clear that some animals express this more than others. A pig being sentient doesn't really mean much because that's something that can be said for a whole lot of animals.[/QUOTE] I'd agree with this but I'm not sure it's a great argument here has I'd consider pigs to be quite intelligent animals.

[QUOTE=AK'z;49262070]as much as this is ridiculous... this is in the same ball park as someone feeding your dog random crap, it's not the right thing to do at all and you'll be sanctioned...[/QUOTE] Except, y'know, countless other people aren't going to eat said dog, and the dog meat isn't going to come in contact with all kinds of other consumable products that could further spread physical harm or cause the workers at said butchery to lose their jobs due to the ridiculously strict rules they were put under for a reason. Etc. There are so many reasons why what the culprit did is wrong, no matter their intend. Ignorance or not. This is much bigger than just feeding someone else's animal.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49263589]Hi, farmer here. Going to have to disagree with you on that, pigs are smart but they're not fucking sentient. At least not the ones they breed for slaughter, they're dumb as rocks. Granted I didn't grow up on a pig farm but I've been around them enough.[/QUOTE] I think there's a distinction to be made here between sentience and sapience.

[QUOTE=elowin;49263414]You do realize pigs are sentient, right?[/QUOTE] Did the pigs tell you this?

Wouldn't take pigs being sentinent as a criterium. Humans are sentinent too yet we don't give a shit about most of them.

Although I think she should get some kind of punishment 10 years of prison is way to much.

[QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;49263575]as soon as they get on that truck, they're food.[/QUOTE] No, I'm pretty sure it would be more fitting to refer to them as food once they're cut up into pieces and sent to grocery stores. AKA, when they're actually dead. [QUOTE=Limed00d;49264159]Did the pigs tell you this?[/QUOTE] I really don't think that it's entirely out of the question to think that pigs are indeed sentient considering that they're live mammals (Just like humans) with flesh, brains, bones, organs, etc. It's not like they're just plants.

[QUOTE=Kommodore;49261735]oh is that all activism is[/QUOTE] You've also got Mizzou, Greenpeace, Arab Spring, Euromaidan, Black Lives Matter... I mean, we can call activism a lot of things, but it's rarely peaceful. Peace doesn't achieve goals.

[QUOTE=dai;49261745][QUOTE=Megadave;49261736]I don't think she should face jail time, maybe community service, but I don't see how she could do it with malicious intent.[/QUOTE] poison in the water is how she could do it with malicious intent. Kill the pigs, taint the meat, harm the people who eat the food. Saying you're just giving them water on a hot day does not discredit the idea you could be a total looney[/QUOTE] Yeah, but she didn't. She's obviously not a menace, stupid, but not a threat to anyone but herself. I don't see why this warrants anything more than community service. I don't even get the hate for her. She didn't stop the truck, or even make a scene. She just felt bad for the pigs.

if the charges were lighter more people would attempt to do the same, and some will have more toxic substances you could say "well when you find out it was toxic you could charge them with a greater offense" but at that point its already too late and you've potentially lost a whole years worth of pork it's more of a deterrent to others if anything, it's better to not let anyone do this at all

[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;49266959]if the charges were lighter more people would attempt to do the same, and some will have more toxic substances you could say "well when you find out it was toxic you could charge them with a greater offense" but at that point its already too late and you've potentially lost a whole years worth of pork it's more of a deterrent to others if anything, it's better to not let anyone do this at all[/QUOTE] UhhhhhhhhhHHHHhh If it were potentially poison, that would be investigated before the trial. And judges already factor intent into their decision. And only ignorant people think using harmless people like this as a deterrent is a good idea.

stupid harmless well meaning people can still cause harm too farmers are very specific in what they feed their pigs in order to stop diseases from spreading, but if anyone could just feed the pigs and get off with a slap on the wrist, they could go get water from a lake or river(saying something like "these pigs should be naturally fed, with water from nature") infected with diseases(unintentionally) and feed it to those pigs, who then spread it around you can't slap a drunk driver on the wrist just because they didn't hit anybody and if you made the charges lighter more people would attempt it, and if some bad egg happens to poison the supply it becomes a situation of who dun it

not to mention, stressing animals out before they are slaughtered for meat can cause them to release hormones that will ruin the meat. It's the factor of her being an unfamiliar person, plus feeding them water that is a cause for concern.

[QUOTE=EcksDee;49264018]I think there's a distinction to be made here between sentience and sapience.[/QUOTE]You're right, I was misusing the term so sorry about that. Honestly in common speech they're interchangeable, (common speech being informal) I tend to type phonetically so how I normally talk is how I often type.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;49263555]As odd as this may sound not all species are "as sentient" as others. It's not a binary measure, it's more of a spectrum. Sentience being the measure of the ability to feel, perceive and experience [I]subjectively[/I] (read, responses that aren't simply instinct but an actual independent, individual response), it's clear that some animals express this more than others. A pig being sentient doesn't really mean much because that's something that can be said for a whole lot of animals.[/QUOTE] I know it applies to most animals. As far as I'm aware, pretty much the only significant categories of animals it doesn't apply to are insects and arachnoids. I don't see how it matters that they're "less sentient" than us, and I certainly don't see how it matters that many other animals are also sentient. They can feel pain. they can feel discomfort. That's sentient enough. [QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;49263575]as soon as they get on that truck, they're food.[/QUOTE] No. As soon as they get butchered, they're food.

[QUOTE=Kommodore;49261776]you mean astute[/QUOTE] Seriously you've gotta be joking

[QUOTE=gk99;49277403]Seriously you've gotta be joking[/QUOTE] Your not looking at things from his angle.