Black Lives Matter organiser is white yet took a scholarship only for Black Students - Polidicks

Probably fake bullshit considering that this is DailyMail

[QUOTE=Aldawolf;48496753]Quotas and black scholarships are in place to give minorities an edge they need, the United States is still very racist (We're not Jim Crow laws anymore, but it could be better) and encouraging black youths through things like scholarships helps deal with those problem, just think of an inner-city black kid, instead of joining a gang, works hard and gets rewarded with a scholarship to college to help him pursue a high paying career. Without these scholarships in place, Black and Hispanic attendance to higher education would be much lower which would keeps blacks and Hispanics in the disadvantageous position they're in (Which is part of the reason that this systematic racism exists), it has more of an impact than "Feel-good measures" and calling it racist is silly.[/QUOTE] What about a poor white kid? Since when do those don't matter any more?

[QUOTE=itisjuly;48496544]Except in STEM fields.[/QUOTE] I honestly believe that it's just a lack of drive and interest in those STEM fields. Everyone cites a hostile work environment, but every industry had a hostile work environment as women were coming in. We've all seen that movie "YOU'LL NEVER BE A JOURNALIST" and the girl goes off, does the big story and she shuts everyone up.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;48496795]What about a poor white kid? Since when do those don't matter any more?[/QUOTE] I wouldn't be opposed to income-based scholarships, but if you look at cities like Furgeson and Baltimore it's pretty clear being black and in poverty is a very different experience than being white and in poverty in America.

[QUOTE=Aldawolf;48496753]Quotas and black scholarships are in place to give minorities an edge they need...[/QUOTE] Close to racism [QUOTE=Aldawolf;48496753]the United States is still very racist.[/QUOTE] "That black person didn't earn his degree, he just got a free ride and didn't learn anything, etc, etc." is what this perpetuates. Just have scholarships and loans aimed at low income people.

This guy writes tons of blindly pro hilary/anti bernie news content. I didn't even know he was a BLM activist. I just thought he was some white guy based on this picture on daily kos.

[QUOTE=taipan;48496204]Why do black only scholarships even exist?[/QUOTE] You can give people money for whatever reason you want. It's your money. Do with it what you want.

[QUOTE=taipan;48496204]Why do black only scholarships even exist?[/QUOTE] [img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Opp3_e73ejg/U-UTPl5da1I/AAAAAAAAAS0/0JHzwPjpxqk/s1600/Equality+Doesn't+Mean+Justice+Baseball.jpg[/img] Don't tell me that minorities generally have the same opportunities as Anglos.

[QUOTE=Velocet;48496810]I honestly believe that it's just a lack of drive and interest in those STEM fields. Everyone cites a hostile work environment, but every industry had a hostile work environment as women were coming in. We've all seen that movie "YOU'LL NEVER BE A JOURNALIST" and the girl goes off, does the big story and she shuts everyone up.[/QUOTE] I can agree to a very small degree, and I completely disagree with your solution. The "I'm going to prove everyone wrong!" mentality shouldn't be the normal means for women to break into a field, and it shouldn't be the measuring stick for whether or not women should exist in a field. [QUOTE=Rangergxi;48496457]Its racist. No getting around it.[/QUOTE] Sure, if you look at it very plainly and technically. But I don't really care. Mexicans make up a ton of Las Vegas, and from what I've seen and lived in they generally take up huge chunks of leftover Vegas, get clustered together, and end up economically outcast. Compare where most Mexicans are living in to the people that live in the nicer, newer homes and you'll find some disheartening differences. When you take into consideration who these people are, how they're affected, and the communities they make up, is it incorrect to try and address the major race specifically? It's not perfect, but it generally successful to do so. It's like saying the NAACP is racist because it focuses on the advancement of black people: aka semantic and misleading.

[QUOTE=Antdawg;48496863][img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Opp3_e73ejg/U-UTPl5da1I/AAAAAAAAAS0/0JHzwPjpxqk/s1600/Equality+Doesn't+Mean+Justice+Baseball.jpg[/img] Don't tell me that minorities generally have the same opportunities as Anglos.[/QUOTE] That image is hilarious. I see it getting more ridiculous every time. The first time I saw it, back during Occupy Wallstreet, Equality was the image on the right.

Calling a black scholarship racist or a women's scholarship sexist is such ignorant backwards bullshit.

[QUOTE=DOG-GY;48496916]Calling a black scholarship racist or a women's scholarship sexist is such ignorant backwards bullshit.[/QUOTE] It is racist and sexist no matter how much you try to rationalize it the fact that there are people ITT that seriously support this kind of shit is plain disgusting

[QUOTE=NotMeh;48496927]It is racist and sexist no matter how much you try to rationalize it the fact that there are people ITT that seriously support this kind of shit is plain disgusting[/QUOTE] That is pretty fucking hilarious. Have you ever tried applying for scholarships? I have never had an issue getting some amount of financial aid through scholarships and I am as white as I can get. If you really think this is a racist or sexist issue then you are a goofy silly pants.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;48496914]That image is hilarious. I see it getting more ridiculous every time. The first time I saw it, back during Occupy Wallstreet, Equality was the image on the right.[/QUOTE] They are both equality. Left is equality of opportunity and right is equality of outcome. However the point is that you can't just inherit an inequitable system, take away any affirmative action designed to create equal outcomes and expect the system to naturally correct itself towards equal outcomes. African Americans on average are from poorer backgrounds with fewer opportunities, especially regarding upwards economic mobility.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48496839]Close to racism "That black person didn't earn his degree, he just got a free ride and didn't learn anything, etc, etc." is what this perpetuates. Just have scholarships and loans aimed at low income people.[/QUOTE] Only stupid conservatives think that because they have a bias against affirmative action in the first place, it's more than just helping black people because they're a minority for the sake of it. You can't go into college being a blithering retard, you still kind of have to earn it. There's plenty of other, non-minority scholarships that people can qualify for. Minority scholarships are one of many and aren't the only option, if they were then yes, that may be racist. But if an institution wishes to help minorities while still offering a variety of other scholarships white people could qualify for I do not see the problem.

[QUOTE=NotMeh;48496927]It is racist and sexist no matter how much you try to rationalize it the fact that there are people ITT that seriously support this kind of shit is plain disgusting[/QUOTE] Equality of outcome. Not racist, not sexist.

[QUOTE=Antdawg;48496942]They are both equality. Left is equality of opportunity and right is equality of outcome. However the point is that you can't just inherit an inequitable system, take away any affirmative action designed to create equal outcomes and expect the system to naturally correct itself. African Americans on average are from poorer backgrounds with fewer opportunities, especially regarding upwards economic mobility.[/QUOTE] I mean, is there a fear that black people are going to over take white people because of scholarships? Why does it matter?

Why are we even fucking talking about this. Some of you are seriously out of touch. This thread really has nothing to do with what you are arguing about [IMG]http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-muckrakers/files/2011/09/Screen-shot-2011-09-13-at-8.46.57-AM.png[/IMG] source, page 6 [URL]http://www.finaid.org/scholarships/20110902racescholarships.pdf[/URL] As stated before, private institutions can do whatever the fuck they want with private money. Even with this, it's not even an issue, what are you doing FP???

Facepunch isn't a hivemind. But hey thanks for trying to educate and inform.

He's probably about to get kicked out now. Lying about being a victim of race crime and lying your way into a black-only scholarship is just really anti-black.

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;48496966]Why are we even fucking talking about this. Some of you are seriously out of touch. This thread really has nothing to do with what you are arguing about [IMG]http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-muckrakers/files/2011/09/Screen-shot-2011-09-13-at-8.46.57-AM.png[/IMG] source, page 6 [URL]http://www.finaid.org/scholarships/20110902racescholarships.pdf[/URL] As stated before, private institutions can do whatever the fuck they want with private money. Even with this, it's not even an issue, what are you doing FP???[/QUOTE] What a sensationalist graph. Of course there are more scholarships given to white people-- there are more white people than any other race, of course more white people will be getting scholarships. Not to mention, college acceptance based on race/gender is a far bigger problem these days than scholarships. [thumb]https://chrisbourg.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/us-pop-by-race-2013-pie.jpg[/thumb]

[QUOTE=Monkah;48497019]What a sensationalist graph. Of course there are more scholarships given to white people-- there are more white people than any other race, of course more white people will be getting scholarships. Not to mention, college acceptance based on race/gender is a far bigger problem these days than scholarships. [thumb]https://chrisbourg.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/us-pop-by-race-2013-pie.jpg[/thumb][/QUOTE] That's a fantastic point. So where is the discrimination you are imagining? Keep in mind I am arguing against imaginary anti-white scholarship discrimination. The total distribution of scholarships coincides with the US population.... Sensationalist is a pretty sensationalist buzzword around these parts.

[QUOTE=NotMeh;48496927]It is racist and sexist no matter how much you try to rationalize it the fact that there are people ITT that seriously support this kind of shit is plain disgusting[/QUOTE] you've clearly not tried to rationalize it at all or know how miniscule of a percent of scholarships are available to specific people. like IIRC more than 90% are available to all or have any awareness of institutionalized sexism and racism that leads to people being inherently disadvantaged look, if you were a poor black kid growing up in the inner city where there's a cycle in place that's been going on for over 40 years you wouldn't dare say that. this is a country where black people are pushed into poverty and crime by the police due to being singled out. where the world around them is toxic to trying to moving up the societal ladder. one where white males have dominated every aspect of society since the foundation of the country. one where new deal programs that got our industries moving again and created the middle class specifically excluded minorities and disadvantaged them from the get go. so today you've got a disproportionate amount of people of one skin color who have lived in generations of poverty because the nation said they couldn't gain the benefits of those programs and are targeted by the police because they're feeding off the war on drugs, forcing black people further into it. which then circles around and reinforces institutionalized racism over and over again. giving a leg up to disadvantaged people is how you bring about equality. if anything we need more programs that seek to put nonwhites and women into higher education. arguing against scholarships for black people is racist, an antithesis to progress, and fucking disgusting. you should feel embarrassed for not considering the welfare of all people.

If we're [I]really[/I] going to be focused on the details, you'd want to use college populations and then refer to the context of that school, i.e. location, subjects taught, etc. Then you'd have to go into the racial and socioeconomic factors that affect those specific factors. You'd basically have to make the argument that racial favoritism with the number of scholarships awarded and members of people enrolled is occurring as the end result of racial scholarships, and that takes some effort.

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;48496934]That is pretty fucking hilarious. Have you ever tried applying for scholarships? [B]I have never had an issue getting some amount of financial aid through scholarships and I am as white as I can get.[/B] If you really think this is a racist or sexist issue then you are a goofy silly pants.[/QUOTE] That's not the point [I]at all[/I] A scholarship having any kind of race/sex requirement is absolutely ridiculous and should not be acceptable if you're gonna pull this kind of shit, look at the person's income instead

[QUOTE=Antdawg;48496863][img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Opp3_e73ejg/U-UTPl5da1I/AAAAAAAAAS0/0JHzwPjpxqk/s1600/Equality+Doesn't+Mean+Justice+Baseball.jpg[/img] Don't tell me that minorities generally have the same opportunities as Anglos.[/QUOTE] There's a big difference between equality of means and equality of outcome. Justice as depicted here is more in line with equality of outcome, whereas the image is more like equality of means. The image is also stupid, they should just tear the fence down.

[QUOTE=NotMeh;48497086]That's not the point [I]at all[/I] A scholarship having any kind of race/sex requirement is absolutely ridiculous and should not be acceptable if you're gonna pull this kind of shit, look at the person's income instead[/QUOTE] I don't think you are a US citizen so I suppose your ignorance to the fact that not all races in the US are treated the same is understandable. I guess... Show me the evidence that these scholarships don't promote minority higher education and instead are somehow bad for society as a whole.

[QUOTE=DOG-GY;48497053] you should feel embarrassed for not considering the welfare of all people.[/QUOTE] how incredibly ironic apparently it's impossible for white people to be poor meh, just refer to my previous post

[QUOTE=DanRatherman;48497098]There's a big difference between equality of means and equality of outcome. Justice as depicted here is more in line with equality of outcome, whereas the image is more like equality of means. The image is also stupid, they should just tear the fence down.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Antdawg;48496942]They are both equality. Left is equality of opportunity and right is equality of outcome. However the point is that you can't just inherit an inequitable system, take away any affirmative action designed to create equal outcomes and expect the system to naturally correct itself towards equal outcomes. African Americans on average are from poorer backgrounds with fewer opportunities, especially regarding upwards economic mobility.[/QUOTE] l8 m8

[QUOTE=NotMeh;48497103]how incredibly ironic apparently it's impossible for white people to be poor meh, just refer to my previous post[/QUOTE] Part of it also has to do with culture and diversity. White culture is dominant, and there's a lot of racial exclusion when you consider many fields of work and in many fields of education.