Black Lives Matter organiser is white yet took a scholarship only for Black Students - Polidicks

The other problem is motivation when it is understood that the cards are stacked against you, and you feel persecuted. Some people, believe it or not, feel they must assimilate in order to integrate with society, and as a result they reject society or enter depression. It all comes back to not being taken seriously enough, as many people in this thread are indirectly doing. "Black people? Why not look at poor people?" [url=http://money.cnn.com/2014/08/21/news/economy/black-white-inequality/][B][CNN][/B] 5 disturbing stats on black-white inequality[/url] [url=http://money.cnn.com/2014/12/12/news/economy/wealth-by-race-pew/][B][CNN][/B] Whites get wealthier, while Blacks and Hispanics lag further behind[/url] [url=http://money.cnn.com/2013/02/27/news/economy/wealth-whites-blacks/][b]CNN[/b] Wealth inequality between blacks and whites worsens[/url] [url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2013/08/28/these-seven-charts-show-the-black-white-economic-gap-hasnt-budged-in-50-years/][B][Washington Post][/B] These ten charts show the black-white economic gap hasn't budged in [B]50 years[/B][/url] [url=http://www.businessinsider.com/the-income-gap-between-blacks-and-whites-2013-8][B][Business Insider][/B] The Income Gap Between Blacks and Whites Has Only Gotten Worse Since the 1960's[/url]

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48496457][QUOTE=taipan;48496204]Why do black only scholarships even exist?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Its racist. No getting around it.[/QUOTE][/quote] Agreed. They keep relating "low income people = black and/or latino", when the reality is that poor people comes in [I][U]all[/U][/I] colors, poverty affects everyone. It's the same reasoning I never understood when it comes to black Americans labeling themselves as "African American"... sorry bro, you're American, period - or, more precisely, an American who happens to be black, in the same way black British people don't call themselves "Jamaican-European", they call themselves British. That's it. I don't think the US will grow out of it anytime soon, unfortunately. Things will have to get even worse, before it gets better. Just my two cents on the matter.

[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;48497685]Agreed. They keep relating "low income people = black and/or latino", when the reality is that poor people comes in [I][U]all[/U][/I] colors, poverty affects everyone. It's the same reasoning I never understood when it comes to black Americans labeling themselves as "African American"... sorry bro, you're American, period - or, more precisely, an American who happens to be black, in the same way black British people don't call themselves "Jamaican-European", they call themselves British. That's it. I don't think the US will grow out of it anytime soon, unfortunately. Things will have to get even worse, before it gets better. Just my two cents on the matter.[/QUOTE] I'm all for helping poor people, but I think it's better fought with relation towards the cause. Racism is a cause. Mental health and disability is a cause. Debt is a cause. Education is a cause. Drug addiction is a cause. I believe in welfare, but I also believe in specific social programs.

It'd be nice if there weren't such a divide between the communities, for starters. It only keeps perpetuating [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingroups_and_outgroups"]the same tribalism[/URL] [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_segregation_in_the_United_States"]of years past[/URL] that keeps disrupting everyone. [editline]19th August 2015[/editline] But then again, BLM isn't about ending racism, it seems to me it's more about the complete opposite of what MLK wanted...

[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;48497763]It'd be nice if there weren't such a divide between the communities, for starters. It only keeps perpetuating [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingroups_and_outgroups"]the same tribalism[/URL] [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_segregation_in_the_United_States"]of years past[/URL] that keeps disrupting everyone. [editline]19th August 2015[/editline] But then again, BLM isn't about ending racism, it seems to me it's more about the complete opposite of what MLK wanted...[/QUOTE] The representation of BLM isn't fair for BLM's cause, and regardless of the representation we can't demonize their militant attitude when they won't be heard otherwise. (I said the exact same thing about riots.) You can't be peaceful when no one pays attention to you. The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;48497763]It'd be nice if there weren't such a divide between the communities, for starters. It only keeps perpetuating [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingroups_and_outgroups"]the same tribalism[/URL] [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_segregation_in_the_United_States"]of years past[/URL] that keeps disrupting everyone. [editline]19th August 2015[/editline] But then again, BLM isn't about ending racism, it seems to me it's more about the complete opposite of what MLK wanted...[/QUOTE] Martin Luther King would be against black people protesting against police brutality.. ? Also sounds like No True Scotsman..

[QUOTE=taipan;48496204]Why do black only scholarships even exist?[/QUOTE] Because apparently excluding people based on race isn't racist when it's not against a minority.

[QUOTE=draugur;48497885]Because apparently excluding people based on race isn't racist when it's not against a minority.[/QUOTE] I never said it wasn't. I just said I don't care. It's productive.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;48497677]The other problem is motivation when it is understood that the cards are stacked against you, and you feel persecuted. Some people, believe it or not, feel they must assimilate in order to integrate with society, and as a result they reject society or enter depression. It all comes back to not being taken seriously enough, as many people in this thread are indirectly doing. "Black people? Why not look at poor people?" [url=http://money.cnn.com/2014/08/21/news/economy/black-white-inequality/][B][CNN][/B] 5 disturbing stats on black-white inequality[/url] [url=http://money.cnn.com/2014/12/12/news/economy/wealth-by-race-pew/][B][CNN][/B] Whites get wealthier, while Blacks and Hispanics lag further behind[/url] [url=http://money.cnn.com/2013/02/27/news/economy/wealth-whites-blacks/][b]CNN[/b] Wealth inequality between blacks and whites worsens[/url] [url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2013/08/28/these-seven-charts-show-the-black-white-economic-gap-hasnt-budged-in-50-years/][B][Washington Post][/B] These ten charts show the black-white economic gap hasn't budged in [B]50 years[/B][/url] [url=http://www.businessinsider.com/the-income-gap-between-blacks-and-whites-2013-8][B][Business Insider][/B] The Income Gap Between Blacks and Whites Has Only Gotten Worse Since the 1960's[/url][/QUOTE] Statistics aren't arguments. In fact, the last two articles seem to go against your theory. If systematic racism were the major cause to the differing outcomes of black and whites, then we should see a negative correlation between the amount of systematic racism and the difference in outcomes, but the last two articles you posted don't follow this at all. There was definitely more systematic, and outright, racism in the 1960, '70s, and 80's, yet the stats were the same or worse.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;48497677]The other problem is motivation when it is understood that the cards are stacked against you, and you feel persecuted. Some people, believe it or not, feel they must assimilate in order to integrate with society, and as a result they reject society or enter depression. It all comes back to not being taken seriously enough, as many people in this thread are indirectly doing. "Black people? Why not look at poor people?" [url=http://money.cnn.com/2014/08/21/news/economy/black-white-inequality/][B][CNN][/B] 5 disturbing stats on black-white inequality[/url] [url=http://money.cnn.com/2014/12/12/news/economy/wealth-by-race-pew/][B][CNN][/B] Whites get wealthier, while Blacks and Hispanics lag further behind[/url] [url=http://money.cnn.com/2013/02/27/news/economy/wealth-whites-blacks/][b]CNN[/b] Wealth inequality between blacks and whites worsens[/url] [url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2013/08/28/these-seven-charts-show-the-black-white-economic-gap-hasnt-budged-in-50-years/][B][Washington Post][/B] These ten charts show the black-white economic gap hasn't budged in [B]50 years[/B][/url] [url=http://www.businessinsider.com/the-income-gap-between-blacks-and-whites-2013-8][B][Business Insider][/B] The Income Gap Between Blacks and Whites Has Only Gotten Worse Since the 1960's[/url][/QUOTE] [URL="http://gawker.com/cnn-did-a-black-hole-make-flight-370-disappear-1548003099"][CNN] Did a black hole swallow up MH370?[/URL]

[QUOTE=NotMeh;48497103]how incredibly ironic apparently it's impossible for white people to be poor meh, just refer to my previous post[/QUOTE] Being white and poor =/= being black and poor.

[QUOTE=Aldawolf;48498026]Being white and poor =/= being black and poor.[/QUOTE] Being black doesn't automatically make you poor either.

He looks like a white guy trying to be black by giving himself the haircut and funny little moustache

[QUOTE=Antdawg;48497559][B]Because otherwise it shows systematic racism still exists[/B]. If for instance a white household has a median wealth twelve times greater than a median black household, something isn't right.[/QUOTE] Nope. Difference in outcome could be caused by either past racism, present racism, a mixture of both or might not even have been caused by racism at all (not suggesting that's the case here). Hell, you could have equality of outcome and racism still be alive and well (I'm not kidding, it would be possible to have apartheid going on with equality of outcome). Which is why equality of outcome is unimportant, and the equality of opportunity is much more important.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48497241]I honestly don't see the point of helping wealthy black people over poor whites or asians. I'd say that helping poor disadvantaged people is more important than having all of the races or colors have equal % representation on a graph. In this context you seem to implying that black people are inferior or just less able. (shorter)[/QUOTE] No, you're just taking any opportunity to be able to find the "racism" in actual combatting racism. Black people are in poverty (Shorter) than white people who on average have more income (taller). You're taking things out of context. Cannot believe I have to argue about this of all things, but you'll find any way to say "But you're the real racists!!!" Even if it makes 0 sense. [editline]19th August 2015[/editline] like so few scholarships are available to certain minorities anyway, why is this an issue?

Can yall still arguing about this and calling scholarships racist please watch White Like Me because it will answer all of your misconceptions. Like I dont blame people for being ignorant of institutionalized racism because I never really grasped it until I was in college and saw it to the extreme. However, all this bashing is extremely dismissive of institutionalized racism and it is a very, very real problem. Many of you are trying to argue stances you don't understand.

[QUOTE=sgman91;48497986]Statistics aren't arguments. In fact, the last two articles seem to go against your theory. If systematic racism were the major cause to the differing outcomes of black and whites, then we should see a negative correlation between the amount of systematic racism and the difference in outcomes, but the last two articles you posted don't follow this at all. There was definitely more systematic, and outright, racism in the 1960, '70s, and 80's, yet the stats were the same or worse.[/QUOTE]So what do you think is the cause of this wealth inequality if racism has nothing to do with it?

[QUOTE=wauterboi;48498111]So what do you think is the cause of this wealth inequality if racism has nothing to do with it?[/QUOTE] The cause is that racism in the past made the average black person poor, and it's very difficult to get out of poverty in America so blacks are staying poor even with a lot less racism today.

[QUOTE=DOG-GY;48498107]Can yall still arguing about this and calling scholarships racist please watch White Like Me because it will answer all of your misconceptions. Like I dont blame people for being ignorant of institutionalized racism because I never really grasped it until I was in college and saw it to the extreme. However, all this bashing is extremely dismissive of institutionalized racism and it is a very, very real problem. Many of you are trying to argue stances you don't understand.[/QUOTE] White Like Me really is an excellent documentary, and I think giving it an honest sit down for an hour will benefit you. Like, you don't even have to sit there like a sponge - maintain your critical faculties as you watch it! Take little notes about parts of it you disagree with as you watch, but watch the whole thing. [editline]20th August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=AlexConnor;48498135]The cause is that racism in the past made the average back poor, and it's very difficult to get out of poverty in America so blacks are staying poor even with a lot less racism today.[/QUOTE] I think you are right that poverty is a self-generating cycle brought on by racism, but you are wrong to think that even today has a "lot less racism". Yes, we have made great improvements, but the general tone and flavor of our society which values whites over blacks has stayed the same.

[QUOTE=AlexConnor;48498135]The cause is that racism in the past made the average black person poor, and it's very difficult to get out of poverty in America so blacks are staying poor even with a lot less racism today.[/QUOTE] That's more or less what I've been trying to say. It's the remnants of racism (even though there's still plenty of racism) that's put black people in a negative spot. There's still plenty of actual areas of racism, though, and that also feeds into incarceration rates and stuff like that and it's not being taken care of.

[QUOTE=DohEntertainmen;48497371]You know, a lot of minorities find the idea of 'racial coalescence' to be downright Huxleyan. I myself find the mixture of all races to be downright detrimental to humanity, as a Mexican. You don't want incompatible bone marrows, in this day and age.[/QUOTE] regardless of what people might want, it will happen unless we deliberately segregate [QUOTE=Flameon;48498137] I think you are right that poverty is a self-generating cycle brought on by racism, but you are wrong to think that even today has a "lot less racism". Yes, we have made great improvements, but the general tone and flavor of our society which values whites over blacks has stayed the same.[/QUOTE] i think this really understates the tone and flavor society of the 1950s had concerning black people

[QUOTE=wauterboi;48498175]That's more or less what I've been trying to say. It's the remnants of racism (even though there's still plenty of racism) that's put black people in a negative spot. There's still plenty of actual areas of racism, though, and that also feeds into incarceration rates and stuff like that and it's not being taken care of.[/QUOTE] Doesn't that make this more an economic issue rather than a race issue though? At least, better and more effectively fought that way, rather than adding racial discrimination to racial discrimination.

It would be an economic issue that affects a race that isn't being dealt with, making it a racist issue.

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;48498245] i think this really understates the tone and flavor society of the 1950s had concerning black people[/QUOTE] Have you been to the places that had racial segregation today? Has a lot *really* changed in how people percieved blacks? Maybe outright acts of terror have declined, but the general disregard for black folks as being lazy or thuggish remains relatively constant. Also, with so many black folks ending up in prison for relatively minor crimes (like drug possession) and these states having laws that basically make it legal to discriminate against someone because they are a felon, you create an atmosphere where racial biases are actually legally sanctioned if the black person was once in prison. All of this, by the way, is in the documentary that DOG-GY keeps reccing people watch.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;48498111]So what do you think is the cause of this wealth inequality if racism has nothing to do with it?[/QUOTE] At this point I'm just showing how your theory doesn't seem to work with the data.

[QUOTE=sgman91;48498371]At this point I'm just showing how your theory doesn't seem to work with the data.[/QUOTE] Or maybe things haven't actually gotten as much beter as we think it has for black folk?

[QUOTE=Flameon;48498376]Or maybe things haven't actually gotten as much beter as we think it has for black folk?[/QUOTE] Based on what? It's circular to say that the statistics are caused by racism, but you only know the racism still exists because of the statistics.

[QUOTE=sgman91;48498387]Based on what? It's circular to say that the statistics are caused by racism, but you only know the racism still exists because of the statistics.[/QUOTE] I thought your claim was that the data doesn't support the claim because it doesn't say things have improved for blacks given that the 60's had more racism.

[QUOTE=Flameon;48498399]I thought your claim was that the data doesn't support the claim because it doesn't say things have improved for blacks given that the 60's had more racism.[/QUOTE] I must be misunderstanding your point. When you said: [QUOTE]Or maybe things haven't actually gotten as much beter as we think it has for black folk?[/QUOTE] I assumed you were talking about racism because I had agreed with the fact that things aren't that much better socially. So I'm not sure what you're question is asking.

Ok sorry, lemme try and fix the confusion. When you said: [QUOTE=sgman91;48498371]At this point I'm just showing how your theory doesn't seem to work with the data.[/QUOTE] I thought you were referencing when you said: [QUOTE=sgman91;48497986]Statistics aren't arguments. In fact, the last two articles seem to go against your theory. If systematic racism were the major cause to the differing outcomes of black and whites, then we should see a negative correlation between the amount of systematic racism and the difference in outcomes, but the last two articles you posted don't follow this at all. There was definitely more systematic, and outright, racism in the 1960, '70s, and 80's, yet the stats were the same or worse.[/QUOTE] So I thought that maybe it isn't so much that the data doesn't support the theory, but rather goes against your theory [and also Rangerxgi's and AlexConnor] that there has been a significant change in racial relations since the 60's. Yes, public acts of terror are on the decline and you can't say the N-Word in polite company anymore, but the system of racial inequality seems to be intact. Sorry if I didn't make that clear in my rhetorical question.