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British monarchy actually makes UK lots of money, regardless of what opposition say. I wanted to be more educated so I looked for information and found this video. [video=youtube;bhyYgnhhKFw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhyYgnhhKFw&feature=plcp[/video] Not to mention the fact that the Royal family and Monarchy are cultural symbols of the British just as the idea of freedom and democracy are to the US. You are subject in only name, nothing else. That video posted above is fearmongering and biased negatively.

OH GOD CORGIS ARE IN THE VIDEO IT ALL MADE SENSE

[QUOTE=G3rman;37611183]British monarchy actually makes UK lots of money, regardless of what opposition say. I wanted to be more educated so I looked for information and found this video. [video=youtube;bhyYgnhhKFw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhyYgnhhKFw&feature=plcp[/video] Not to mention the fact that the Royal family and Monarchy are cultural symbols of the British just as the idea of freedom and democracy are to the US. You are subject in only name, nothing else. That video posted above is fearmongering and biased negatively.[/QUOTE] I counter your comment with the counter video [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2IO5ifWKdw&feature=watch_response[/media]

Again, that is made by a biased republican speaker. However, the rest of my words stand. Vast majority of the UK clearly support the Queen or at least the status quo, I don't think its an Americans place to say whether the royal family should or shouldn't exist.

k well i'm british and i don't think the royal family should exist, just because prince harry is embarrassing all english people worldwide

[QUOTE=G3rman;37611681]Again, that is made by a biased republican speaker.[/quote] Bias in what way? That's not contending his points very well. And, is that to the second video I posted or the first or both? [QUOTE=G3rman;37611681]However, the rest of my words stand. Vast majority of the UK clearly support the Queen or at least the status quo, [/quote] So you're going to outright ignore his points and just say "status quo" as if that makes everything good. Except, it doesn't. That's not a reason for anything. Should the southern US have kept their slaves "because it was the status quo"? [QUOTE=G3rman;37611681]I don't think its an Americans place to say whether the royal family should or shouldn't exist.[/QUOTE] Me being American has nothing to do with the fact that you are a subject to someone born into power. If I were English, would you hear me about more? That's what you're claiming by pointing out my nationality. I'm not saying this strictly against the UK. I think monarchies world wide should be abolished. Just a little less like how the French did it.

I know the feeling

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;37611701]Bias in what way? That's not contending his points very well. And, is that to the second video I posted or the first or both? So you're going to outright ignore his points and just say "status quo" as if that makes everything good. Except, it doesn't. That's not a reason for anything. Should the southern US have kept their slaves "because it was the status quo"? Me being American has nothing to do with the fact that you are a subject to someone born into power. If I were English, would you hear me about more? That's what you're claiming by pointing out my nationality. And by the way, I'm not saying this strictly against the UK. I think monarchies world wide should be abolished. Just a little less like how the French did it.[/QUOTE] Clearly you have a misconstrued thought about what it means to be a subject. It isn't the medieval times, you aren't in danger of dying every day because the royalty wills it. Perhaps instead of quoting some Republican anti-monarchist you should check the other side of the argument and see why the Monarchy hasn't been removed yet. Not just support but the people who really don't care, they don't care because the Monarchy doesn't affect their lives in a noticeable way. Just because something is 'outdated' which I think is silly, Republics and Democracies may be the popular form of government but they have just as many flaws and are dated as well, does not mean it should be ousted. Like I said, the UK's national image is the monarchy like with the US its the freedom dogma. I would take you more seriously if you were English, because unless you are actually one of those 'subjects' and have felt firsthand the effects of being under a different government system you can't judge it properly.

I have felt the firsthand effects of being under a better government type. Tell me, do your arguments go for Saudi Arabia as well?

[QUOTE=G3rman;37611772] I would take you more seriously if you were English, because unless you are actually one of those 'subjects' and have felt firsthand the effects of being under a different government system you can't judge it properly.[/QUOTE] would you take me seriously if i said that America's legacy in secularism is far stronger than the UK's? in the UK you pay the head of the church who administrates the state-religion. not to mention, we also have that nice history of civil war fueled by religious hatred which the church of england is irrefutably involved in. getting rid of the monarch and the state religion's "god-given" powers is the first step to a secular England.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;37611794]I have felt the firsthand effects of being under a better government type. Tell me, do your arguments go for Saudi Arabia as well?[/QUOTE] Subjective. Every country is different and have different policies, you don't blanket support everything.

[QUOTE=G3rman;37611801]Subjective. Every country is different and have different policies, you don't blanket support everything.[/QUOTE] I'm arguing about monarchies in general. I have stated that. You are defending monarchies with England as an example and I'm sure you can find some crappy republics to counter me with. But, across the board, republics are better than monarchies.

[QUOTE=thisispain;37611797]would you take me seriously if i said that America's legacy in secularism is far stronger than the UK's? in the UK you pay the head of the church who administrates the state-religion. not to mention, we also have that nice history of civil war fueled by religious hatred which the church of england is irrefutably involved in. getting rid of the monarch and the state religion's "god-given" powers is the first step to a secular England.[/QUOTE] Secularism is disappearing, the separation between church and state is almost a joke. However, your priority is a secular UK because you think its a good thing. Arguably it could be an improvement, but that is for the majority to decide.

[QUOTE=G3rman;37611813]Secularism is disappearing, the separation between church and state is almost a joke. However, your priority is a secular UK because you think its a good thing. Arguably it could be an improvement, but that is for the majority to decide.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure that's for the Queen to decide, as she's head of state and religion would it not? No matter how secular the common people may be, at the head of the nation is a unity in government and religion in the form of the Queen.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;37611809]I'm arguing about monarchies in general. I have stated that. You are defending monarchies with England as an example and I'm sure you can find some crappy republics to counter me with. But, across the board, republics are better than monarchies.[/QUOTE] Pure communism is often considered a utopia but you don't see droves of people saying we should convert to it. Reason is because we know humans can't interact in that way, the same way Republics can't avoid falling to corruption and Monarchies will always be labeled authoritarian regardless of how little power and effect they have. I disagree they are better or worse because both are just as bad in practice. Republics just give the illusion of more freedom. [editline]10th September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;37611829]I'm pretty sure that's for the Queen to decide, as she's head of state and religion would it not? No matter how secular the common people may be, at the head of the nation is a unity in government and religion in the form of the Queen.[/QUOTE] If the people wanted secularism in the UK, the Monarchy would cease to exist. As it is now she's just a figurehead and she has accepted that as it is, just as every other monarch has in the past since becoming a constitutional monarchy. Its the same argument as 'we are it in everything but name', semantics.

[QUOTE=G3rman;37611838]Pure communism is often considered a utopia but you don't see droves of people saying we should convert to it. Reason is because we know humans can't interact in that way, the same way Republics can't avoid falling to corruption and Monarchies will always be labeled authoritarian regardless of how little power and effect they have. I disagree they are better or worse because both are just as bad in practice. [B]Republics just give the illusion of more freedom.[/B][/quote] After that bold, I give up. [QUOTE=G3rman;37611838][editline]10th September 2012[/editline] If the people wanted secularism in the UK, the Monarchy would cease to exist. As it is now she's just a figurehead and she has accepted that as it is, just as every other monarch has in the past since becoming a constitutional monarchy. Its the same argument as 'we are it in everything but name', semantics.[/QUOTE] Maybe one last comment; She's just a figurehead, for now. But by law she has the power to command. Even if that power is never used, why let it sit there in the hands of someone simply born into the right of it? And as the world gets ever increasingly atheist and agnostic, I'm pretty sure one day the majority of the UK will want to be secular. And it'll be the monarchy in the way of that progress.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;37611862]After that bold, I give up. Maybe one last comment; She's just a figurehead, for now. But by law she has the power to command. Even if that power is never used, why let it sit there in the hands of someone simply born into the right of it? And as the world gets ever increasingly atheist and agnostic, I'm pretty sure one day the majority of the UK will want to be secular. And it'll be the monarchy in the way of that progress.[/QUOTE] Its true, the ignorant masses are lulled into a sense of security when they can elect their officials. They think, 'oh it feels like the last guy did a bad job, let's elect a new one to fix it all', but regardless of the actions the new executive carries out they can never completely undo whatever problems the previous one enacted. The US and the world at large is slowly losing their freedoms and its quite obvious that no government is in a hurry to turn it around. By law the President is Commander in Chief, so why isn't he feared? Because he has the Joint Chiefs of Staff and other advisers that tell him what needs to be done with expertise, he just has to sign on the dotted line. I think you and many others just find the idea of someone having a higher place silly, which I can agree to. However, you seem to forget that they are people just like everyone else and they probably know this better than any. As time goes on the Monarchy is just more and more of a paper tiger, eventually they will be phased out and I will go as far to say they will do it willingly. Not because they are threatened by the populace or ousted by revolution, but because they too see the flaws of the system and how they are just the same as everyone else. But for now like many other issues the status quo remains and until the people say otherwise, it shall stay that way. It is the same in Republics as well, its the people who have the real power; same thing in every other country. It is just how and when they choose to exercise that power that we see results.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;37611862]Maybe one last comment; She's just a figurehead, for now. But by law she has the power to command. Even if that power is never used, why let it sit there in the hands of someone simply born into the right of it? [/QUOTE] Theoretically she has that power, but sovereignty lies with parliament. If the queen ever got uppity and actually tried to use her powers parliament could and undoubtedly would strip them away from her.

[QUOTE=ThisGuy0;37611929]Theoretically she has that power, but sovereignty lies with parliament. If the queen ever got uppity and actually tried to use her powers parliament could and undoubtedly would strip them away from her.[/QUOTE] Why wait.

[SP]Rest in Peace Broccoli Dog.[/SP] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNdm8eQ5-o0[/media]

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;37611937]Why wait.[/QUOTE] Why rush? There are plenty of other issues that are much more pressing than to change the government because of some fearmongering about the dangers of royal powers.

See you space cowboy...

HOW THE FUCK DID A THREAD ABOUT A CORGI'S DEATH BECOME A DEBATE ABOUT MONARCHIES? Stay classy facepunch

[QUOTE=shian;37611968]HOW THE FUCK DID A THREAD ABOUT A CORGI'S DEATH BECOME A DEBATE ABOUT MONARCHIES? Stay classy facepunch[/QUOTE] wow you mean a dead dog isn't a fruitful subject for discussion colour me surprised

[QUOTE=thisispain;37611975]wow you mean a dead dog isn't a fruitful subject for discussion colour me surprised[/QUOTE] to be completely fair it was a corgi. corgis are pretty amazing. [editline]9th September 2012[/editline] if you don't like corgis you are satan. true fact.

[video=youtube;TwNTWaMHv2E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwNTWaMHv2E&feature=my_liked_videos&list=LLrrWO67ODs8HjMIoBBWdW0g[/video] I call funeral piper.

I feel bad for her majesty. I couldn't bear the thought of losing one of my cats, and I haven't had them 13 years. P.S. I love the fact the royal family is still around

R.I.P. [img]http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lo5ew35Wco1qkrj7ho1_500.jpg[/img] always in our hearts

[QUOTE=ShockbattMatt;37605802]no[/QUOTE] lyk dis if u cry errytime

And there was me thinking that the queen would go before the dog