Jesse Bright, Hidden Path Entertainment developer, commits suicide - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Da_Maniac_;47367066]What a fucking cunt thing to say.[/QUOTE] I bet he also thinks depression isn't real

[QUOTE=maniacykt;47366859]Taking the coward's way out is never the answer, especially when you have family with kids. My condolences to the family.[/QUOTE] Do you realize what statements like this do to people who have depression? Depression, first of all, isn't logical. Depression can be very cyclical and is often rooted in broken logic. So, imagine you've got a dude who's thinking, "I'm nothing, I'm terrible, I can't view the world the same way. I really think I should kill myself." Then you chime in and say, "Well, that's a cowardly thing to do." Now not only does he feel like shit but now you've called him a coward, so he's thinking, "Well, I'm a cowardly idiot that doesn't deserve to be alive. I'm so fucking stupid." Now, imagine that person is dead and the people you're calling cowards are damaged people reading your post. It's the same vain as saying, "Suicide is selfish." A person saying suicide is selfish is also calling people with suicidal thoughts selfish, which causes them to go through the exact same cycle. And suicide isn't a "cowardly" thing to do. What is cowardly about it? If you're at the point where you want to commit suicide, you are more than likely at your limit and cannot take any more pain and suffering, and just want out. That's what a lot of people want, and you inch them closer by saying, "what a coward."

[QUOTE=wauterboi;47367085] Now, imagine that person is dead and the people you're calling cowards are [b]damaged[/b] people reading your post. [/QUOTE] When I was suffering from depression this word really got me going. Probably not intentional but calling depressed people damaged is worse than calling them cowards.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;47367099]When I was suffering from depression this word really got me going. Probably not intentional but calling depressed people damaged is worse than calling them cowards.[/QUOTE] I'll try not to use that word again, but the mentality behind the use of that word is that people are able to be repaired.

[QUOTE=maniacykt;47366859]Taking the coward's way out is never the answer, especially when you have family with kids. My condolences to the family.[/QUOTE] absolutely zero understanding of depression

[QUOTE=maniacykt;47366859]Taking the coward's way out is never the answer, especially when you have family with kids. My condolences to the family.[/QUOTE] On another note, a lot of people who commit suicide do it because they want others to be better off, because the idea is that people are better off without that person and that people will be able to recover quickly.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;47367125]I'll try not to use that word again, but the mentality behind the use of that word is that people are able to be repaired.[/QUOTE] Yeah I get that but as you said, depression isn't logical. From experience, being called damaged/broken means "it's broken, throw it out" not "fix it". This is why people with depression must visit a therapist. It's not easy to deal with someone who can't logic and through good intentions you can make it worse.

[QUOTE=Toy_Soldier;47364941]It's terrible when depression effects the best and brightest among us.[/QUOTE] The mind and body are both things one must take care as when one falls, so too does the other.

[QUOTE=GoodGorilla;47364338]Rest in peace. But I can't help but wonder what makes a man who has a great job and a kid end his own life. Searching around I couldn't find any info on why he might have done it.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_depressive_disorder"]You mustn't have searched very thoroughly then.[/URL] it doesn't matter how good your life may be, depression will still hit you like a freight train

[QUOTE=Sobek-;47365022]I know it's a little morbid but, is there a copy of what he posted to facebook available anywhere? Sad as it is I've always had a curiosity for people's last words, almost like a small insight into their rationale or thought process a the end. Rest in peace mate.[/QUOTE] Isn't there a site where a person's last tweet/post gets posted before they die? might be on there.

[QUOTE=Toy_Soldier;47364941]It's terrible when depression effects the best and brightest among us.[/QUOTE] It's terrible when depression effects any of us, period.

[QUOTE=Lick;47363795]He had a kid son, probably about 16 :([/QUOTE] Which is one of the reasons I'm having a hard time accepting people who commit suicide. It leaves those close in ruins for the rest of their lifes.

[QUOTE=MILKE;47370143]Which is one of the reasons I'm having a hard time accepting people who commit suicide. It leaves those close in ruins for the rest of their lifes.[/QUOTE] How does it feel to be part of the ongoing problem that is the stigma of mental health issues?

It'd be cool if Valve did a memorial or something special in their coding, a random event that took place to remember him, that could be found through digging or.. Something, since the guy was a coder. RIP.

[QUOTE=MILKE;47370143]Which is one of the reasons I'm having a hard time accepting people who commit suicide. It leaves those close in ruins for the rest of their lifes.[/QUOTE] Let's keep shaming the suicidal, eh?

[QUOTE=LegndNikko;47371198]Let's keep shaming the suicidal, eh?[/QUOTE] I'm not shaming anybody. I'm saying there's usually other ways than to resort to suicide.

[QUOTE=MILKE;47372613]I'm not shaming anybody. I'm saying there's usually other ways than to resort to suicide.[/QUOTE] The path to hell is paved in good intentions. I understand where you're trying to get at, but again, you're failing to understand the reality of depression. It is not logical. It is not something that people can always think their way out of. It's not the clearest cut of problem solving.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;47372648]It is not something that people can always think their way out of. It's not the clearest cut of problem solving.[/QUOTE] this is always relevant in these discussions [img]http://i.imgur.com/CWFTYoV.png[/img]

[QUOTE=higgy;47363601] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Insensitive ass" - Craptasket))[/highlight][/QUOTE] yeah ok [url]http://facepunch.com/converse.php?u=90512&u2=50699[/url] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("off topic" - OvB))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=higgy;47363601]if he worked on CS:GO then i won't miss him [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Insensitive ass" - Craptasket))[/highlight][/QUOTE] Seriously? [editline]22nd March 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=maniacykt;47366859]Taking the coward's way out is never the answer, especially when you have family with kids. My condolences to the family. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("shitpost" - OvB))[/highlight][/QUOTE] You never had to deal with hardcore depression and suicide, so don't act like you know what happened.

[QUOTE=maniacykt;47366859]Taking the coward's way out is never the answer, especially when you have family with kids. My condolences to the family. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("shitpost" - OvB))[/highlight][/QUOTE] How the fuck do you even equate killing yourself to being a coward do you just automatically assume he was running from something, instead of the much more common thought process of "nobody cares about me, they'd all just be better off if I was gone" If anything, the fact that he went through with it is the complete opposite of cowardice. It's not a good thing, no, but if that [I]was[/I] his thought process, he probably felt like he was sacrificing himself for the good of others and that's got to take some either courage or pressure to actually do, and I doubt he was receiving much of the latter.

To be honest, even if his reason had anything to do with cowardice, I wouldn't be treating him like shit for it because I don't feel that someone being a "coward" is a good enough justification for others to treat them so disdainfully. I never really got what was so despicable about being a coward or sharing attributes of a coward.

I don't normally speak out about these issues...but I want to provide a new perspective for the people browsing this thread. I've been depressed since January and I've attempted suicide twice since that time. Everything that wauterboi is saying is correct. Depression affects your state of mind to the point where you can't think. You become overwhelmed with emotions that can make you feel worthless and unwanted. Even when you bottle it up, focusing on other tasks, there are things in your life that will cause those emotions to come barreling right back at you and that's what can hit you hardest. You become so overwhelmed that you just can't think. Logical reasoning is thrown out the window and pure emotion takes over.

It's not always the case that you can't think, it can also just get to the point where it feels like you've tried literally everything else to stop being depressed. Anyway, I hope this guy's passion wasn't an additional stressor in his life. I know the gaming industry can be pretty ruthless when it comes to work hours, expectations, etc. It would make the whole thing feel so much worse for someone if the thing they loved was also a cause of grief.

[QUOTE=MaddaCheeb;47376363]I don't normally speak out about these issues...but I want to provide a new perspective for the people browsing this thread. I've been depressed since January and I've attempted suicide twice since that time. Everything that wauterboi is saying is correct. Depression affects your state of mind to the point where you can't think. You become overwhelmed with emotions that can make you feel worthless and unwanted. Even when you bottle it up, focusing on other tasks, there are things in your life that will cause those emotions to come barreling right back at you and that's what can hit you hardest. You become so overwhelmed that you just can't think. Logical reasoning is thrown out the window and pure emotion takes over.[/QUOTE] Jesus Christ, that's awful. I hope that things get better for you. You're absolutely right about depression putting people in an irrational state of mind. I know that only too well. It's definitely not something that is easy to understand unless you've been there yourself.

While it is sad he did take his life and he shouldnt have done it, I see it as a very cowardly thing to do especially since he has children. I am depressed right. now. I understand what it feels like to have ongoing depression, but thats not to say im going to defend his action as if it's the smartest thing he could have done for himself. He was a weak guy, plain and simple. He shouldnt be defended just because he was depressed, because depression is not this ultimate illness that you guys make it sound to be. Yes, it stops you from doing anything at all sometimes, but this isnt the excuse to take your own life and leave your children behind to pick up the pieces. I already know Im going to get showered with dumbs because I didn't say "Oh I sympathize totally with him and if you don't have depression you're an asshole for not understanding!!!" In my personal opinion it's very sad that he did this, but also extremely selfish. These are just [b]feelings[/b]. They may be complex but they are not the be all end all of your life. Depression is bad, but its not the devil. The more you emphasize it, the more prevelant it becomes in you. Im not going to defend this mans actions, but I will give my condolences to his family, for having such a cowardly father/husband.

[QUOTE=ThisGuy69s;47376780]While it is sad he did take his life and he shouldnt have done it, [b]I see it as a very cowardly thing to do[/b] especially since he has children. I am depressed right. now. I understand what it feels like to have ongoing depression, but thats not to say im going to defend his action as if it's the smartest thing he could have done for himself.[b] He was a weak guy, plain and simple[/b]. He shouldnt be defended just because he was depressed, because depression is not this ultimate illness that you guys make it sound to be. Yes, it stops you from doing anything at all sometimes, but this isnt the excuse to take your own life and leave your children behind to pick up the pieces. I already know Im going to get showered with dumbs because I didn't say "Oh I sympathize totally with him and if you don't have depression you're an asshole for not understanding!!!" In my personal opinion it's very sad that he did this, but also extremely selfish. These are just feelings. They may be complex but they are not the be all end all of your life. Depression is bad, but its not the devil. The more you emphasize it, the more prevelant it becomes in you. Im not going to defend this mans actions, but I will give my condolences to his family, for having such a [b]cowardly father/husband.[/b][/QUOTE] I feel like I need to point out the bolded parts since I don't think anyone else did before. People who condemn others for suicide keep using words like weak and cowardly to describe those who kill themselves, and it seems like you're implying that being weak/cowardly is something that would make you deserving of disdain. Seriously, what is it about being weak or cowardly makes one so despicable? Shouldn't you be feeling sorry for him for having those characteristics instead, if it were to be the case that he killed himself out of fear (or cowardliness if you're not afraid to use a synonym that just so happens to have a disdainful tone to it) of the world? Also, no one's denying that the suicide was a logical thing to do. They're just aware of the fact that depression can drive you to do this. You really shouldn't act like the urge to kill himself was totally under his control.

[QUOTE=Skerion;47377065]I feel like I need to point out the bolded parts since I don't think anyone else did before. People who condemn others for suicide keep using words like weak and cowardly to describe those who kill themselves, and it seems like you're implying that being weak/cowardly is something that would make you deserving of disdain. Seriously, what is it about being weak or cowardly makes one so despicable? Shouldn't you be feeling sorry for him for having those characteristics instead, if it were to be the case that he killed himself out of fear (or cowardliness if you're not afraid to use a synonym that just so happens to have a disdainful tone to it) of the world? Also, no one's denying that the suicide was a logical thing to do. They're just aware of the fact that depression can drive you to do this. You really shouldn't act like the urge to kill himself was totally under his control.[/QUOTE] Being weak and cowardly is not despicable but is not attractive in any way. It should not be sought out, if you want to further society. I do not feel sorry for him, because letting your feelings get the best of you in any situation is wrong. It always leads to bad things. Ever seen a guy get too happy? Ever seen a guy get too angry? Ever seen a guy get too sad? Learning to control your emotions is something we all should be seeking to do. Giving excuses by saying I'm weak and cowardly therefore I can kill myself and leave others with the hardships and burdens of my life and decsions, is not something I will feel sorry about. I don't understand the coddling of the depressed. I sat in my room at my parents house for 3 years depressed out of my mind and noone ever asked me about it or coddled me. I understood they were just stupid feelings that I kept focusing on, which perpetually made me more sad, so I focused on feelings that made me happy, and eventually started getting better. I read a piece once about people who jumped from the Golden Gate Bridge, and survived. One of the quotes said something along the lines of (and im paraphrasing here) "As soon as I let go of the railing I instantly realised that all of my problems I thought were unfixable, were actually totally fixable with a little work and focus." Edit: I guess I am dumb for thinking this way? I guess if I don't think like you I am dumb... I understand he's a human being and It's a sad thing he did this no doubt, but.... I don't feel [b]sorry[/b] for him.

[QUOTE=ThisGuy69s;47376780]While it is sad he did take his life and he shouldnt have done it, I see it as a very cowardly thing to do especially since he has children. I am depressed right. now. I understand what it feels like to have ongoing depression, but thats not to say im going to defend his action as if it's the smartest thing he could have done for himself. He was a weak guy, plain and simple. He shouldnt be defended just because he was depressed, because depression is not this ultimate illness that you guys make it sound to be. Yes, it stops you from doing anything at all sometimes, but this isnt the excuse to take your own life and leave your children behind to pick up the pieces. I already know Im going to get showered with dumbs because I didn't say "Oh I sympathize totally with him and if you don't have depression you're an asshole for not understanding!!!" In my personal opinion it's very sad that he did this, but also extremely selfish. These are just [B]feelings[/B]. They may be complex but they are not the be all end all of your life. Depression is bad, but its not the devil. The more you emphasize it, the more prevelant it becomes in you. [B]Im not going to defend this mans actions, but I will give my condolences to his family, for having such a cowardly father/husband.[/B][/QUOTE] What a truly horrible thing to say about someone who hurt so badly that they chose to end their own life. For someone claiming to suffer from depression, you have no problem perpetuating the social stigma around it. There is such a thing as psychological pain that is truly unbearable. Unfortunately, in such a desperate state of suffering, the last thing one would consider is how their decisions would affect the rest of the world. Inside, they are in unspeakable anguish; in that moment, nothing else matters. You feel like a thousand people are screaming horrible things in your ears, and it drowns out everything else you care about. Is it so selfish to want peace from that? I wish this man could have gotten help, but it is the sad truth that sometimes help arrives too late. I don't blame him for wanting to die, but I really wish he hadn't. I can very well understand his kind of pain. I hope you never have to.

[QUOTE=Berkin;47377166]What a truly horrible thing to say about someone who hurt so badly that they chose to end their own life. For someone claiming to suffer from depression, you have no problem perpetuating the social stigma around it. There is such a thing as psychological pain that is truly unbearable. Unfortunately, in such a desperate state of suffering, the last thing one would consider is how their decisions would affect the rest of the world. Inside, they are in unspeakable anguish; in that moment, nothing else matters. You feel like a thousand people are screaming horrible things in your ears, and it drowns out everything else you care about. Is it so selfish to want peace from that? I wish this man could have gotten help, but it is the sad truth that sometimes help arrives too late. I don't blame him for wanting to die, but I really wish he hadn't. I can very well understand his kind of pain. I hope that someday, you can too.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry but how do you know what i've been through and what my 'depression' was like? For your information I've contemplated suicide 3 times.. but each time my saner mind has prevaled, realizing my feelings were getting the best of me. I completely understand what depression is and you should stop assuming you and the man we're talking about are the only ones who have experienced it. Edit: My point in the discussion is, we should stop feeling sorry for him, because he left his children in a predicament, that they need to deal with and clean up. It was his choice to leave them like that. Im not 'angry' he took his own life or anything. Im just dissapointed he felt selfish enough to let his CHILDREN live with a father who KILLED HIMSELF