Trigger warning: GTA Online mod lets you r*pe other players - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Riutet;45637035]-mentalretardation-[/QUOTE] Is this a joke?

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;45639220]not only are you putting objective worth on human suffering, you're mocking rape victims holy shit dude you're on a completely different level[/QUOTE] It's very easy to argue that murder is objectively worse than rape. But I'm not arguing that at all, I'm arguing that murder is subjectively worse than rape, because I believe it to be so. But even if I'm wrong, if rape is subjectively worse than murder, both are extremely vile and occupy a position on the list of awful things that are in great proximity to each other. I am not mocking rape victims, I am pointing out that people who have been victimised in some way by murder exist, yet we don't make allowances for them. I do this pre-emptively because an argument that often comes up is "rape victims are still around to witness this foul content, murder victims aren't", therefore one is fine the other is not, but I don't believe this to be a valid argument. [quote=J!NX]that plus the entire point of GTA5 is killing people not raping people. It's VERY specifically the objective. murder is objectively meaningless in GTA as you'll just respawn and done[/quote] I have pointed out that the flaw of the exploit is that it perverts the core intended gameplay experience of the game. And, the rape that occurs in the game is also meaningless, because you'll just do a pole dance and then walk away once it plays out. The rape in the mod is about as accurate to real rape as the murder in the game is accurate to real murder, extremely vaguely.

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;45639220]not only are you putting objective worth on human suffering, you're mocking rape victims holy shit dude you're on a completely different level[/QUOTE] So instead of arguing his post proper you're just going to throw out wild appeals to emotion that have nothing to do with anything. Never change milkandcooki.

This is just plain absurd and dumb, I mean are people trying to achieve making word rape meaningless? I mean someone caused your character to do a dancing animation without you wanting it, it is like saying forced escort missions are rape because you don't want to do them but are forced to.

-fuck, i was clocks- [editline]9th August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=RichyZ;45635911]favored philosemedian white man tells everyone that nigger isnt offensive[/QUOTE] He didn't say it wasn't offensive, he was saying people should just say it instead of hiding behind a shorter version of it.

[QUOTE=Riutet;45639432]It's very easy to argue that murder is objectively worse than rape. But I'm not arguing that at all, I'm arguing that murder is subjectively worse than rape, because I believe it to be so.[/QUOTE] While murder is terrible, at least a murder victim won't suffer at all, because, welp, the victim's [I]dead.[/I] Meanwhile, rape victims has to suffer for perhaps their entire lives just because assholes couldn't contain their lusts and total disregard for others. The girl I mentioned previously couldn't bear living anymore, she kept doing unhealthy things to ease the pain. I remember seeing a lot of cuts on her wrist when we went to roam downtown with another mutual friend. I also remember her acting hostile towards me, even though I had known her from long before she was raped. She couldn't place her trust on any other man anymore. I'm gonna cut this short, because it's kinda difficult talking about this without turning it into a bloody dramatic novel, but today she has managed to overcome all this, and has managed to earn her happy ending. She even met a guy, she learned to trust someone again. Last I heard from them, they were happy together. Both of them has gone through a lot of shit and that might be why they take care of each other so well. She might be able to smile now, but she will never forget the day her boyfriend locked the bedroom door. I hope you take this into consideration before saying something like that again.

[QUOTE=Limed00d;45639734]While murder is terrible, at least a murder victim won't suffer at all, because, welp, the victim's [I]dead.[/I] Meanwhile, rape victims has to suffer for perhaps their entire lives just because assholes couldn't contain their lusts and total disregard for others. The girl I mentioned previously couldn't bear living anymore, she kept doing unhealthy things to ease the pain. I remember seeing a lot of cuts on her wrist when we went to roam downtown with another mutual friend. I also remember her acting hostile towards me, even though I had known her from long before she was raped. She couldn't place her trust on any other man anymore. I'm gonna cut this short, because it's kinda difficult talking about this without turning it into a bloody dramatic novel, but today she has managed to overcome all this, and has managed to earn her happy ending. She even met a guy, she learned to trust someone again. Last I heard from them, they were happy together. Both of them has gone through a lot of shit and that might be why they take care of each other so well. She might be able to smile now, but she will never forget the day her boyfriend locked the bedroom door. I hope you take this into consideration before saying something like that again.[/QUOTE] That's cool. If she were murdered she would have never had the opportunity to make this wonderful recovery. Not trying to demean the experiences of your friend with my bluntness, but I'd rather be raped and have to make a recovery but have a chance at making a recovery and carrying on living than be killed. It seems that it comes down to what you hate most, suffering or non-existence. And for me, I'd prefer to suffer than to not exist. I have a question and I hope you do not think I am being insensitive by asking it as it is not my intention, but I feel it's relevant. Do you think, it's a mercy to kill a rape victim so that they no longer have to suffer? I do not believe you are trying to make a statement about subjectivity or even objectivity, just a plea to have some level of emotional consideration, but if I am wrong and you are then... wouldn't it just be more kind to kill them so that they don't have to suffer for the rest of their lives? I don't know what your response to this would be, mine would be disagreement. I'd look at something like this and think, "Okay you got raped and that's awful, but at least you didn't die, let's try and rebuild." If you think death is preferable to suffering, why do you allow them to carry on existing? If you think suffering is preferable to dying, surely you think dying is worse than suffering? A rape victim suffers, true. Potentially for the rest of their lives, also true. Is it not just physical trauma but also psychological? Indeed. I wish for you to look at this thread: [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1416045[/url] This girl had her entire family killed in front of her, she'd been shot through her hand and head (partially) and she's probably got some serious psychological damage from the whole ordeal. But you know, after she's really over the initial shock, and after she can come to terms with what happened, she probably won't be thinking, "I wish I'd died back then." More, likely she'll be thinking, "I'm glad I survived back there." And if she doesn't? She still hasn't been robbed of her agency, she can make the choice for herself if she wants to end her life. Murder doesn't just affect the person murdered, much like rape it sends a ripple through family and friends and is potentially life ruining (definitely life ruining for the one who is killed). To say that mock murder is fine, but mock rape is not, is to make a value judgement. You're elevating rape above murder by protecting one but not the other. But both are terrible, when you allow one, you must allow the other, else the one you allow you minimalise.

[QUOTE=Limed00d;45639734]While murder is terrible, at least a murder victim won't suffer at all, because, welp, the victim's [I]dead.[/I] Meanwhile, rape victims has to suffer for perhaps their entire lives just because assholes couldn't contain their lusts and total disregard for others. ... She might be able to smile now, but she will never forget the day her boyfriend locked the bedroom door.[/QUOTE] You are essentially saying your friend is better off dead than how she is now.

[QUOTE=Riutet;45639784]...she probably won't be thinking, "I wish I'd died back then." More, likely she'll be thinking, "I'm glad I survived back there."[/QUOTE] Definitely false. A lot of survivors feel regret for not being able to stop or change the situation.

[QUOTE=Thlis;45640673]You are essentially saying your friend is better off dead than how she is now.[/QUOTE] Uh, no? What I was going for is that rape is definitely worse than murder, as the victim has to suffer through a painful experience that will affect their lives and their surroundings. For many rape victims, death is preferable over the humiliating and degrading experience. Hence why many commit suicide. But I don't wish these people death, only recovery. Now please stop twisting my words.

[QUOTE=J!NX;45639232]that plus the entire point of GTA5 is killing people not raping people. It's VERY specifically the objective. murder is objectively meaningless in GTA as you'll just respawn and done[/QUOTE] I think it's less about the content of the game and more about which audience would be nonchalant towards that content the most. I would find the behavior unexpected and inexcusable if it occurred in Mario Kart. However, GTA is mostly in the same vein as South Park, it's no surprise that people would laugh towards the offensive subject matter that occurs in it.

Oh great, we all know what a fiasco hot coffee was

[QUOTE=wauterboi;45640698]Definitely false. A lot of survivors feel regret for not being able to stop or change the situation.[/QUOTE] Regret for inaction or inability to act is not the same as sincerely wishing you were killed too.

[QUOTE=Riutet;45641002]Regret for inaction or inability to act is not the same as sincerely wishing you were killed too.[/QUOTE] It makes a lot of them extremely depressed and suicidal.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;45641046]It makes a lot of them extremely depressed and suicidal.[/QUOTE] Much like rape. Only with more permanent consequences.

[QUOTE=Limed00d;45640792]Uh, no? What I was going for is that rape is definitely worse than murder, as the victim has to suffer through a painful experience that will affect their lives and their surroundings. For many rape victims, death is preferable over the humiliating and degrading experience. Hence why many commit suicide. But I don't wish these people death, only recovery. Now please stop twisting my words.[/QUOTE] How am I twisting your words when you say being murdered is better than being raped? It's a stupid statement that you made.

[QUOTE=Thlis;45641089]How am I twisting your words when you say being murdered is better than being raped? It's a stupid statement that you made.[/QUOTE] No, you somehow make "victims of murder doesnt have to suffer any pain" to "my raped friend is better off dead" You're clearly twisting my words.

[QUOTE=Limed00d;45641122]No, you somehow make "victims of murder doesnt have to suffer any pain" to "my raped friend is better off dead" You're clearly twisting my words.[/QUOTE] Bs, you say murder is better than rape and then point to your friend who was raped but was able to recover. How the fuck does it make sense that murder is better than rape when a victim of murder has no chance of recovery.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;45635911]favored philosemedian white man tells everyone that nigger isnt offensive[/QUOTE] Good to know you judge white people by the colour of their skin and not anything else

[QUOTE=Limed00d;45640792]Uh, no? What I was going for is that rape is definitely worse than murder, as the victim has to suffer through a painful experience that will affect their lives and their surroundings. For many rape victims, death is preferable over the humiliating and degrading experience. Hence why many commit suicide. But I don't wish these people death, only recovery. Now please stop twisting my words.[/QUOTE] To say that rape is worse than death, but then to say that you'd rather people survived being raped is to say that you'd rather people suffered a greater pain than a lesser pain. It's callousness that you'd want them to suffer what you believe to be a greater trouble as opposed to a lesser trouble. Why would you want them to receive the greater pain? If you so believe that dying is better than being raped then you should want them to be killed rather than raped, or I guess killed before they are raped. To claim that you'd rather they die than be raped is to value feelings over life, how you feel is more important than being alive and if you must feel bad you'd be better off dead. To claim that you'd rather they live but suffer is to value life before feelings, to think that being alive is first and foremost the most important factor, that eradicating ill feelings and seeking positive feelings later secondary. If you claim rape is worse than death, it makes you a very cruel person to rather someone be raped than die. If you claim death is worse than rape, you reach the situation your friend is in now, your friend recovered and while your friend may not be 100 percent who they used to be, are they not happy they were given the chance to live rather than raped then murdered? If not, why have they not killed themselves? Have you considered that while you may be under the impression that rape is worse than death, someone who is more qualified to answer that question, someone who has been raped, has answered that for you by choosing to carry on living? [editline]9th August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Limed00d;45641122]No, you somehow make "victims of murder doesnt have to suffer any pain" to "my raped friend is better off dead" You're clearly twisting my words.[/QUOTE] You only factor in emotion. But you forget about some of the most vital and important aspects of humanity that murder takes away that rape only temporarily takes away. Agency and awareness. When you account for only emotion, murder is actually pretty neutral provided you only kill people no one will mourn for like a homeless man whom nobody knows. When you account for agency and awareness, you begin to understand why society deems murder to be a crime that can score you life in prison and rape only a relatively small sentence.

Survivors of attempted murder can experience a similar aftermath to that of a rape victim. PTSD, feelings of helplessness and anxiety, etc. If a person's loved one was murdered in a spree shooting, they'd be understandably offended by the portrayal of so much murder in media. My point is that both crimes are horrendous. No body deserves to be subjected to either. And while both have a right to be portrayed in media, people also have a right to despise those portrayals.

[QUOTE=BlueChihuahua;45641317]Survivors of attempted murder can experience a similar aftermath to that of a rape victim. PTSD, feelings of helplessness and anxiety, etc. If a person's loved one was murdered in a spree shooting, they'd be understandably offended by the portrayal of so much murder in media. My point is that both crimes are horrendous. No body deserves to be subjected to either. And while both have a right to be portrayed in media, people also have a right to despise those portrayals.[/QUOTE] yeah, you're very right. i just wonder how saying certain topics cannot be talked about will ever get anyone anywhere. silence doesn't create progress.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;45641421]in this case yeah its a p good thing because the perspective of a white comedian on what is racist isn't something you should take much away from his job is to make you laugh, not to change your opinion or fuel someone elses opinion[/QUOTE] so nothing any comedian says can be intelligent thought worth re examing your own thoughts on? I get that a white person can't go through the racism anyone else can go through, but why are they unable to have ANY fucking clue about it, any discussion or thoughts because they're white? They can't witness it? Or know people who go through it? I'm sorry I just don't get why being white means your opinion is worthless on some subjects, less than worthless as it seems, that you cannot say anything that anyone should take seriously because your skin colour. [editline]9th August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=RichyZ;45641421] [editline]9th August 2014[/editline] if a topic isn't discussed in a tasteful manner, why should it even be looked at in the first place a crude rape mod for gta5 isnt going to be making any social commentary period[/QUOTE] i'm not really defending the rape mod itself.

Man how can you guys turn this into a four page argument? This mod is fucking amazing.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;45641475]not saying being white completely invalidates his opinion, but when the video itself and many like it (from carlin and ck specifically) are posted here often as 'evidence' that nigger isn't offensive to anyone, its a bit stupid[/QUOTE] it isn't evidence that it isn't offensive, that isn't the point of those pieces. people may post them like that, but they aren't "evidence". They're thoughts and discussions and view points. they're supposed to make you think. you said it isn't supposed to make you think, I disagree.

It's a little disturbing so many of you are making jokes about rape being a trigger. Its one of the few times the word trigger actually has some weight to it.

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;45642550]It's a little disturbing so many of you are making jokes about rape being a trigger. Its one of the few times the word trigger actually has some weight to it.[/QUOTE] I can see someone being triggered by a graphic rape scene in a movie or something but a stupid animation in GTA? Personally I don't even make the connection. I just think "oh that guy's being fucked in the ass by some hacker, that's pretty funny". Not "oh my god he didn't consent, this is virtual rape". Like I said, it's a stupid animation.

[QUOTE=Korova;45643347]I can see someone being triggered by a graphic rape scene in a movie or something but a stupid animation in GTA? Personally I don't even make the connection. I just think "oh that guy's being fucked in the ass by some hacker, that's pretty funny". Not "oh my god he didn't consent, this is virtual rape". Like I said, it's a stupid animation.[/QUOTE] Yeah, because you've never been raped. I have a friend who has been raped and even something as little and stupid as this sends her into a crying fit of remembering what was done to her. There's a reason its called a trigger. But tumblr-tards have made into the same meaning as "offended" so now it's lost all its meaning.

Rockstar actually lost like 5 million on the hot coffee incident back then, way to go modders.

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;45641502]Man how can you guys turn this into a four page argument? This mod is fucking amazing.[/QUOTE] Yes yes yes, let's promote rape culture! Look it's a stupid mod don't get all pissed about it, but it is terrible to allow rape in a video game. Just as terrible as it is to say you got 'raped' in a video game when you are getting beaten. Just as terrible as it is to glorify rape, suicide, etc. We just don't pay attention to the shit we say. It isn't funny to glorify serious issues, and make phrases like "Get raped" or "Kill yourself fag" a part of our every day vocabulary. [editline]9th August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;45643596]Yeah, because you've never been raped. I have a friend who has been raped and even something as little and stupid as this sends her into a crying fit of remembering what was done to her. There's a reason its called a trigger. But tumblr-tards have made into the same meaning as "offended" so now it's lost all its meaning.[/QUOTE] ^