ICE Nabs Young "Dreamer" Applicant After she Speaks Out at a News Conference - Polidicks

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;51900238]Oh no, I'm not justifying it at all. I don't agree with our immigration policy in the slightest. But I also understand why its being enforced. So lets put it straight: I don't agree with the fact that it's next to impossible to legally immigrate here from a latin american country. I think that's horse shit. At the same time, I also think its horseshit to have to direct ICE to ignore the law. So the law should be changed. Rather than ignored. That way we don't have to rely on an administration saying "hey ICE, don't bother", and then the next one coming in and saying "hey ICE, grab everyone you can, fuck them".[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=ilikecorn;51900221]Lets put it this way. Say I think the laws regarding weed are bullshit. Say I go around (in a prohibited state) with a bunch of weed, and do what ever I please. The law is the law, I'm going to get arrested. I don't agree with the fact that they can arrest me for that, but one should understand that, if you're breaking the law, there's a significant chance that you're going to have to pay the consequences of breaking the law. I can disagree with a law, while still understanding why its enforced.[/QUOTE] You say that we can "disagree with a law," and that you disagree with the law yourself. You even say we can demand that it be changed, which is exactly what we're doing. Yet, you're simultaneously telling us we're wrong for doing it because "it's the law." Being the law doesn't mean that it's just, it doesn't mean that it's fair, it doesn't mean that it's worth respecting, and it doesn't mean that it can't be protested. We're outraged because, regardless of whether or not this is the law, it is disgusting and unnecessary. Whether or not our government is within its legal authority to do this horrifying thing to this girl and her family is irrelevant. The question is, "[I]should they?[/I]" The answer is, "no." We're allowed to be outraged by a broken and predatory system destroying peoples' lives for no reason. You can't tell me, "well, that's the law, so deal with it," and expect me to go, "oh, it's the law? Nevermind then. Kick that bitch to the curb."

[QUOTE=pentium;51899659]Well that's just unfortunate. Now fill out the immigration forms again just like everybody else.[/QUOTE] ....but she did...... [editline]2nd March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=CarnolfMeatla;51900237]If I miss the last day of paying taxes I break the law and get prosecuted.[/QUOTE] no you don't you get fined, refusing to pay the fines gets you prosecuted

[B]Basically,[/B] there should be a fucking grace period for this. There should be a process to postpone deportation if paperwork can't be renewed on time, wherein the subject can either explain their mitigating circumstances and request an extension, or otherwise correct the mistake and file the proper paperwork. Deportation should not be allowed to occur whatsoever if the person is [I]already[/I] taking steps to renew their protections. Now, I'll fully admit that deportation law is not my area of expertise. Maybe this is already in-built, and she will be able to obtain legal representation, appeal this in court, and make the whole thing go away with little fuss or expense. If she will have a legitimate opportunity to have her deportation canceled, meaning the courts are very likely to rule in her favor because the law stipulates that she cannot be deported under these bullshit circumstances, then I'll table my outrage for now. If that's not the case, then I'll pick it right back up.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;51900238] So lets put it straight: I don't agree with the fact that it's next to impossible to legally immigrate here from a latin american country. I think that's horse shit. At the same time, I also think its horseshit to have to direct ICE to ignore the law. So the law should be changed. Rather than ignored. That way we don't have to rely on an administration saying "hey ICE, don't bother", and then the next one coming in and saying "hey ICE, grab everyone you can, fuck them".[/QUOTE] In the first time offender analogy, is it "ignoring the law" not to throw the book at them? The ICE have all the authority and means to use discretion in this case. You are right about the law having to be changed though, but that doesn't change the fact that someone's life is still being ruined based on a technicality.

[editline]2nd March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Sableye;51900341]....but she did...... [editline]2nd March 2017[/editline] no you don't you get fined, refusing to pay the fines gets you prosecuted[/QUOTE] If I miss the last day of paying the fine for not paying the taxes I break the law and get prosecuted.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51900401][B]Basically,[/B] there should be a fucking grace period for this. There should be a process to postpone deportation if paperwork can't be renewed on time, wherein the subject can either explain their mitigating circumstances and request an extension, or otherwise correct the mistake and file the proper paperwork. Deportation should not be allowed to occur whatsoever if the person is [I]already[/I] taking steps to renew their protections. Now, I'll fully admit that deportation law is not my area of expertise. Maybe this is already in-built, and she will be able to obtain legal representation, appeal this in court, and make the whole thing go away with little fuss or expense. If she will have a legitimate opportunity to have her deportation canceled, meaning the courts are very likely to rule in her favor because the law stipulates that she cannot be deported under these bullshit circumstances, then I'll table my outrage for now. If that's not the case, then I'll pick it right back up.[/QUOTE] You DO know that immigrants don't just get shoved on a bus or plane the moment they are taken into custody right?

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;51900006]It's not a technicality. It's the law. It's fucking bullshit to hold everyone to the same standard, but then to make exceptions based on feel good bullshit. As I said earlier, Would the IRS give you leniency if you turned in your taxes late? Would a state give you leniency if you paid a ticket late? Would your job give you leniency if you turned in reports late? No, none of the above would happen. Why? Because in the real world deadlines actually matter. Don't turn your shit in on time? Suffer the consequences.[/QUOTE] Today I jaywalked, sped up a bit to get through a yellow light, watched a movie online without paying for it, [URL="https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1030"]used a false name online[/URL], made a bet, [URL="http://www.digitalspy.com/tech/news/a800894/netflix-password-illegal-ruling/"]shared my Netflix password[/URL], used an open WiFi network, went a few miles over the speed limit, and probably broke a dozen other laws. You probably did too. The law isn't a black and white monster that's enforced equally upon all for every crime. [editline]2nd March 2017[/editline] I also drink sometimes even though I'm not 21 and I once smoked weed. Put me away coppers.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;51900006]It's not a technicality. It's the law. It's fucking bullshit to hold everyone to the same standard, but then to make exceptions based on feel good bullshit. As I said earlier, Would the IRS give you leniency if you turned in your taxes late? Would a state give you leniency if you paid a ticket late? Would your job give you leniency if you turned in reports late? No, none of the above would happen. Why? Because in the real world deadlines actually matter. Don't turn your shit in on time? Suffer the consequences.[/QUOTE] Yes the IRS would give you leniency. They have options for payment plans, extended deadlines and all that. They usually base it on intent. If you made a mistake they work with you to rectify the situation and get things square. Otherwise you pay a penalty. They don't kick you out of the only country you really know.

I'm personally satisfied that my tax dollars are being used to fund roving patrols of immigration control officers to go around tagging and bagging vile criminals such as this young woman and her family. I can't possibly think of anything more productive that those funds or personnel could be used for that would personally enrich the lives of myself, my family, or my neighbors.

-snip- actually, just never mind

[QUOTE=CarnolfMeatla;51900237]If I miss the last day of paying taxes I break the law and get prosecuted.[/QUOTE] If you miss paying taxes on time, you can instead pay a late fee and file them later. If you fail to do that, you can set up a payment plan with the IRS to pay off the money over a prolonged period of time. If you fail to do that, the IRS will just start garnishing your wages. Unless you make an active attempt for years to conceal tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of dollars from the IRS, you will not actually be going to prison. They're not going to spend thousands of dollars in legal fees prosecuting you, and then incurring thousands more imprisoning you because you were late paying a few thousand dollars to them. But nice try.

[QUOTE=Maegord;51901111]If you miss paying taxes on time, you can instead pay a late fee and file them later. If you fail to do that, you can set up a payment plan with the IRS to pay off the money over a prolonged period of time. If you fail to do that, the IRS will just start garnishing your wages. Unless you make an active attempt for years to conceal tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of dollars from the IRS, you will not actually be going to prison. They're not going to spend thousands of dollars in legal fees prosecuting you, and then incurring thousands more imprisoning you because you were late paying a few thousand dollars to them. But nice try.[/QUOTE] Last I heard it was literally a felony to file your taxes late. Like, go to jail for tax evasion kind of felony to file your taxes after the annual deadline. I once filed my taxes in July. As far as I understand it, I would have had a federal felony warrant out for my arrest since the end of April if I was in the US.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;51901188]Last I heard it was literally a felony to file your taxes late. Like, go to jail for tax evasion kind of felony to file your taxes after the annual deadline. I once filed my taxes in July. As far as I understand it, I would have had a federal felony warrant out for my arrest since the end of April if I was in the US.[/QUOTE] Failure to file a tax return is a misdemeanor. Only Overt Acts (meaning criminal intent is provable in court) of tax evasion are felonies. Source: [url]https://www.irs.gov/irm/part25/irm_25-001-007.html[/url]

[QUOTE] ICE agents reportedly opened the car door, telling Vargas, “you know who we are and you know why we’re here,” her friend, Jordan Sanders, told Univision. Then, they handcuffed her and took her into custody.[/QUOTE] Don't speak up, foreigner, or else we'll pay you a visit.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51900401][B]Basically,[/B] there should be a fucking grace period for this. There should be a process to postpone deportation if paperwork can't be renewed on time, wherein the subject can either explain their mitigating circumstances and request an extension, or otherwise correct the mistake and file the proper paperwork. Deportation should not be allowed to occur whatsoever if the person is [I]already[/I] taking steps to renew their protections. Now, I'll fully admit that deportation law is not my area of expertise. Maybe this is already in-built, and she will be able to obtain legal representation, appeal this in court, and make the whole thing go away with little fuss or expense. If she will have a legitimate opportunity to have her deportation canceled, meaning the courts are very likely to rule in her favor because the law stipulates that she cannot be deported under these bullshit circumstances, then I'll table my outrage for now. If that's not the case, then I'll pick it right back up.[/QUOTE] From what I've read there is no grace period, however failure to renew doesn't equate to immediate deportation either. With that being said if you do allow it to lapse you have to start the process from the beginning. It's kind of odd that she would "just forget" to do it though, unless she was unemployed the job she was working at should have notified her that her work permit had expired.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51900401][B]Basically,[/B] there should be a fucking grace period for this. There should be a process to postpone deportation if paperwork can't be renewed on time, wherein the subject can either explain their mitigating circumstances and request an extension, or otherwise correct the mistake and file the proper paperwork. Deportation should not be allowed to occur whatsoever if the person is [I]already[/I] taking steps to renew their protections. Now, I'll fully admit that deportation law is not my area of expertise. Maybe this is already in-built, and she will be able to obtain legal representation, appeal this in court, and make the whole thing go away with little fuss or expense. If she will have a legitimate opportunity to have her deportation canceled, meaning the courts are very likely to rule in her favor because the law stipulates that she cannot be deported under these bullshit circumstances, then I'll table my outrage for now. If that's not the case, then I'll pick it right back up.[/QUOTE] no no man, it's the law and the law is always right. these people are the kind of people who would be against illegal civil rights sit ins in the 1960s

She knew she had to renew the paperwork. She didn't. She broke the law. End of discussion. Deport her.

I don't think this is morally right even if it's legally right

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51899692] She had legal status, it expired (likely just because of forgetfulness), [/QUOTE] BDA, just a reminder to do your taxes

[QUOTE=pentium;51899659]Well that's just unfortunate. Now fill out the immigration forms again just like everybody else.[/QUOTE] I love how rock hard some people get over the bureaucratic excuse to treat immigrants as dirt. [editline]3rd March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=J$ Psychotic;51906011]She knew she had to renew the paperwork. She didn't. She broke the law. End of discussion. Deport her.[/QUOTE] That seems like a pretty extreme reaction dude.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51906097]BDA, just a reminder to do your taxes[/QUOTE] At least if I forget I'll only have to pay a nominal late fee, instead of my entire family being forcibly and permanently kicked out of our home and country.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;51901459]From what I've read there is no grace period, however failure to renew doesn't equate to immediate deportation either. With that being said if you do allow it to lapse you have to start the process from the beginning. It's kind of odd that she would "just forget" to do it though, unless she was unemployed the job she was working at should have notified her that her work permit had expired.[/QUOTE] Wasn't the problem not that she had "just forgotten", but that she couldn't make up the renewal fee of $495 dollars until now? [QUOTE]She had been granted the two-year protection under DACA twice before, in December 2012 and in November 2014, Abigail Peterson, one of her attorneys, told the Associated Press. But her DACA status had expired in November 2016, and it was not until mid-February that she was able to come up with the $495 application fee to renew it. Vargas was 7 years old when she came to the United States from Cordova, Argentina, with her father, mother and brother on a three-month visitor’s visa in 2001. Their visa expired, but the family stayed, establishing a life in Mississippi. Her mother eventually moved out of the state after her parents divorced, she told the Jackson Free Press.[/QUOTE]