British actor Idris Elba cannot star as James Bond because he is black, says Rush Limbaugh - Polidicks

[QUOTE=En-Guage;46790943]Some, not all[/QUOTE] I worry for anyone who disagrees with this

Whatever bro. Continue being delusional, there are characters defined by their race.

[QUOTE=En-Guage;46790970]Whatever bro. Continue being delusional, there are characters defined by their race.[/QUOTE] Wtf, I mean disagrees with you. Like, I agree with you.

Hell confused what have I done

[QUOTE=En-Guage;46790970]Whatever bro. Continue being delusional, there are characters defined by their race.[/QUOTE] shaft. django. the main character from american history x. everyone in 12 years a slave. that's really all i can think of off the top of my head, and all are from movies that have racial elements in them. james bond has never touched up on the issue of race before (at least in the one's i've watched), so there's really no harm in changing him up. [editline]25th December 2014[/editline] wait i read that conversation wrong too, oops. but i guess my post is still thread relevant so i'm keeping it up

Look I'm not saying you can't but I would prefer they didn't

[QUOTE=En-Guage;46790970]Whatever bro. Continue being delusional, there are characters defined by their race.[/QUOTE] Sure, but is Bond one of them? [editline]25th December 2014[/editline] None of the bond films share actual continuity. Think about it for 5 seconds. Until we get up to the Brosnan films in part, and then for sure the Craig trilogy, we don't have any connective tissue between them. We can safely say, Bond is really a character that has no reason to not be black in a modern setting of it.

[QUOTE=En-Guage;46790970]Whatever bro. Continue being delusional, there are characters defined by their race.[/QUOTE] But why is James Bond defined by his race? If it's due to whatever character archetype he's a part of, why can't that archetype include black people, is all we're wondering

gonna admit i'm not the worlds biggest bond fan, i like pierce brosnan & i liked the latest james bond with javier bardem and that's about it. i'm a huge idris elba fan though so maybe i'm a little bit biased.

[QUOTE=En-Guage;46790970]Whatever bro. Continue being delusional, there are characters defined by their race.[/QUOTE] there are literally no character traits that bond has that are unique to a white person. seriously. try to think of one. bond never uses his race as part of his judgement or internal complex so why the hell is he defined by his race? it seems asinine to think that because he's white in a few films you saw that its not interchangeable. have you ever even picked up an ian fleming book? can you please explain where he defines how bond being white is important in any way?

Elba is a lot better looking then Craig as well.

I don't want Elba as Bond because despite the lack of any sense of continuity, Bond [I]is[/I] supposed to be the same person, throughout the entire series. And so far all the actors who've played him played the role similarly enough to where I could believe it was all still supposed to be the same singular character (with the exception of Craig, who I felt was too brutish and felt like a totally different character) I'd have a tough time believing Elba is the same Bond who went through the events of "Live and Let Die" [quote]"Can't miss him, it's like following a cue ball!"[/quote] Someone was bringing up rewriting Superman as black, and that's not quite an accurate comparison. It's more like if you had the Superman comic series going, and this series has been a continuous series, and suddenly after 50 issues Superman is black. It's the same Superman as the previous issues, but now he's black. If they had a new origin story and established this as a seperate cannon or an alternate universe then that'd be fine. But if it's supposed to be the same character that you've been seeing this whole time then it doesn't make any sense. [QUOTE=Butthurter;46790882]im glad to see were finally taking a stance against this stupid social justice thing against casting negroes for the sake of it why cant more movies be like exodus: whites and kings[/QUOTE] This argument is actually rather ironic, because it's a mirror to the argument that people who don't want Elba to be Bond use. People have a problem with Exodus because it depicted characters who are established as Egyptian and Hebrew as white. Just as people have a problem with Elba as Bond because it depicts a character who is established as White as Black.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;46784279]The issue I have with Idris Elba, or any black man really, taking the role of James Bond is an explanation I saw in the previous thread we had about this. Specifically, James Bond is meant to embody the Old World upper-class landed gentleman, the kind of guy you'd expect (were it a hundred years prior) to be found sitting in a rumpus room smoking a pipe as he discusses his time in the Zulu Wars with a handful of equally wealthy friends from the neighboring estates. He's a classic aristocrat forced to adapt to modern times. It's a uniquely British role, which is why a black James Bond would make about as much sense as an American James Bond.[/QUOTE] I think the Bond movies lost that feel during the recent years, they shifted far more into generic action movies with some agent shit thrown into it.

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;46791096]But why is James Bond defined by his race? If it's due to whatever character archetype he's a part of, why can't that archetype include black people, is all we're wondering[/QUOTE] It would appear you're all still going about this subject to some extent, but I gotta say that James Bond [i]is[/i] kind of a typecasted role. Meaning that James Bond, and all the actors who are known for acting the James Bond, have been white males. So in cases like these, little conservatism [I]may[/I] be in place. However I'm not completely against the idea, Elba was born in England too if that has any importance. He may just strike me more of a bad-guy or a street boss like known from The Wire. And it doesn't even really matter, because it is all about producing and selling more of the now-dead Ian Fleming's character James Bond, who was actually "a white male born somewhere around the 1921 possibly in Scotland as the child of these and these characters, who excelled in French and Germany, and so on", and you know that the James Bond characters haven't been this "original" James Bond for a long time. Unless you made a new, modern fucking 1940's-like Bond film, then Elba wouldn't fit..

The black guy strikes u as the street criminal when his most famous role is being a detective hmmmmmmmm

[QUOTE=mikeyt493;46791446]The black guy strikes u as the street criminal when his most famous role is being a detective hmmmmmmmm[/QUOTE] Yup, and you stopped reading at that point?

The fact some of you seriously think the skin colour of an actor is important for this role makes me cringe lol

[QUOTE=En-Guage;46790749]this thread reeks of political correctness[/QUOTE] Is it political correctness when colored characters are portrayed by white people? Or is that different? Still haven't had anyone answer my question.

[QUOTE=Swebonny;46791538]Is it political correctness when colored characters are portrayed by white people? Or is that different? Still haven't had anyone answer my question.[/QUOTE] anytime anything isn't the focus of whites, or white people don't benefit, or non-whites benefit, or anything remotely positive that's non-white it's political correctness :-)

Took me this long for my brain to remind me of this peace of gold: [video=youtube;dI38GtWFihY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI38GtWFihY[/video]

Good thing they're not turning Bond into a woman, imagine the shitstorm that would cause. Instead of Bond's girl we'd have Bond's boy.

[QUOTE=Cone;46784931]i don't like the implication that a black actor can't play an aristocratic upper class person. these are things worth changing tbh[/QUOTE] No one is saying a black person cannot plya the role well. People are saying, that he wouldn't fit the archetype.

[QUOTE=wraithcat;46792130]No one is saying a black person cannot plya the role well. People are saying, that he wouldn't fit the archetype.[/QUOTE] The funniest thing is the fact that he would. He's aged, handsome, VERY British and suave as a motherfucker.

[QUOTE=The Vman;46791262]I don't want Elba as Bond because despite the lack of any sense of continuity, Bond [I]is[/I] supposed to be the same person, throughout the entire series. And so far all the actors who've played him played the role similarly enough to where I could believe it was all still supposed to be the same singular character (with the exception of Craig, who I felt was too brutish and felt like a totally different character) I'd have a tough time believing Elba is the same Bond who went through the events of "Live and Let Die" Someone was bringing up rewriting Superman as black, and that's not quite an accurate comparison. It's more like if you had the Superman comic series going, and this series has been a continuous series, and suddenly after 50 issues Superman is black. It's the same Superman as the previous issues, but now he's black. If they had a new origin story and established this as a seperate cannon or an alternate universe then that'd be fine. But if it's supposed to be the same character that you've been seeing this whole time then it doesn't make any sense. This argument is actually rather ironic, because it's a mirror to the argument that people who don't want Elba to be Bond use. People have a problem with Exodus because it depicted characters who are established as Egyptian and Hebrew as white. Just as people have a problem with Elba as Bond because it depicts a character who is established as White as Black.[/QUOTE] bond films lack any form of connective tissue linking them together. Really. They do. Try to connect connerys bond with the current or even brosnan bond. He'd be 80. Each film is its own vessel except for the blowfeld films and the Craig films. Superman is a perfect example.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;46789922]when has being white ever played a big part in a james bond film?[/QUOTE] "live and let die" wouldn't have been able to have the PIVITOL scene where a black guy calls him a "honky"

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46793231]bond films lack any form of connective tissue linking them together. Really. They do. Try to connect connerys bond with the current or even brosnan bond. He'd be 80. Each film is its own vessel except for the blowfeld films and the Craig films. Superman is a perfect example.[/QUOTE] The Bond series is unique in that, despite there being no logical cohesion linking the movies together in a consistent chronology, the character of Bond is still supposed to be the same person between all the films. At least until Casino Royale, the movies played out fairly sensibly as if Bond was immortal. Characters would come and go in a regular fashion, M and Q got replaced over the years, Felix Leiter didn't show up again after he got mangled in License to Kill, but Bond stayed the same. Casino Royale screwed things up by having M be Judi Dench when Bond was given his 00 title, though.

[QUOTE=The Vman;46793318]The Bond series is unique in that, despite there being no logical cohesion linking the movies together in a consistent chronology, the character of Bond is still supposed to be the same person between all the films. At least until Casino Royale, the movies played out fairly sensibly as if Bond was immortal. Characters would come and go in a regular fashion, M and Q got replaced over the years, Felix Leiter didn't show up again after he got mangled in License to Kill, but Bond stayed the same. Casino Royale screwed things up by having M be Judi Dench when Bond was given his 00 title, though.[/QUOTE] the only thing that stays consistent is that james bond is a tough but smooth spy who does intelligence/assassination missions for MI6, everything else is completely up in the air. roger moore's character was not a coldly sociopathic hired killer, sean connery's was not a clown with a gun, and daniel craig's didn't try to leave the job and live out his life as a happily married nobody. i don't personally subscribe to it but there's a reason lots of people believe the codename theory, and that's because the only thing these characters share (and really ever should) is a name and an occupation. just making a regular james bond character in this day and age of pop culture is the hallmark of an unimaginative filmmaker in my opinion, or at least an easily frightened one.

[QUOTE=The Vman;46793318]The Bond series is unique in that, despite there being no logical cohesion linking the movies together in a consistent chronology, the character of Bond is still supposed to be the same person between all the films. At least until Casino Royale, the movies played out fairly sensibly as if Bond was immortal. Characters would come and go in a regular fashion, M and Q got replaced over the years, Felix Leiter didn't show up again after he got mangled in License to Kill, but Bond stayed the same. Casino Royale screwed things up by having M be Judi Dench when Bond was given his 00 title, though.[/QUOTE] No, not at all. Bond is a man. A totally ordinary, human man. He isn't immortal or ageless and thus all the films make NO sense when compiled together. If you want to desperately link them together, please do, but then start answering your own plot holes like "Hey, Q, if we have all these gadgets that solved previous problems quite well, why don't you ever give me those ones again when you know they'll be useful again" or all the various issues that might pop up over anachronisms. Look, Bond, as a series of films, doesn't take place as a series. Each little film is it's own thing for the most part, seperate and unconnected from any other film unless they form that connection in film. Being the massive bond fan that I am, I know they have not done this outside of the ones I've already mentioned. If Casino Royal already screwed it up(Even though it screwed up an already screwed up system) then we're already set up to take a black Bond on because guess what, I think audiences get the films cannot be logically connected without making Bond immortal, which again, he isn't and can't be in a world like the one that Bond is set up in.

[QUOTE=Swebonny;46785760]Do you think the same about remakes of movies such as Akira with a complete a white cast? Or Dragon Ball lol.[/QUOTE] dragon ball evolution was shit and everything it did was shit

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46793231]bond films lack any form of connective tissue linking them together. Really. They do. Try to connect connerys bond with the current or even brosnan bond. He'd be 80. Each film is its own vessel except for the blowfeld films and the Craig films. Superman is a perfect example.[/QUOTE] Agreed. If your reasoning for not having Idris Elba, a perfect Bond, because you want to keep continuity, then you should be claiming only the first couple films as the good/acceptable ones cos they canon is absolutely fucked, thrown away, disregarded, and manipulated [I]every single film[/I]. Basically, I take it as a way to try and justify you not wanting a black person playing a "white person" role.