British actor Idris Elba cannot star as James Bond because he is black, says Rush Limbaugh
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[QUOTE=V12US;46785119]It had a whole army of gay fairy men, so props to Peter for that one.
But seriously, can we stop trying to be ultra-correct and try to shove excuse-negros into movies to show the rest of the world how progressive we are? If a black actor would genuinely fit the role, give him the role. Don't give him the role because you think your movie needs more black people. That's just fucked up.
I'm not specifically talking about James Bond. Just the modern day political correctness gone wild zeitgeist in general.[/QUOTE]
what's with the assumption that this is done solely out of "political correctness" instead of Idris Elba just being a legitimately talented actor who fits the character? why does everything involving someone who's not white have to be done to personally spite you and white people in general?
[editline]24th December[/editline]
have you seen Luther he is very good in it
[QUOTE=V12US;46785158]I'm not sure what your point is, other than to try and guilt trip me for some reason.[/QUOTE]
If 'guilt-tripping' is the same as trying to open your eyes up to the struggles that black actors have in the film industry, then that's exactly what I was trying to do.
[editline]24th December 2014[/editline]
And for the love of god can we please stop with this 'political correctness gone wild' bullshit. It hasn't, and it's used as an excuse for racism, xenophobia, and other social problems way too much.
[QUOTE=Cone;46784931]i don't like the implication that a black actor can't play an aristocratic upper class person. these are things worth changing tbh[/QUOTE]
That's because black people weren't aristocratic upper class people whose grandfathers probably helped massacre Africans for the British Empire. It's like casting John Wayne for Ghengis Khan (okay historical person, so there's a difference there) or have Sean Penn play the prince in "Coming to America". It could certainly be interesting if done right, but then there needs to be some significance as to how this person managed to become part of the aristocratic class.
I'm cool with a black Bond, though, but I don't like the idea of James Bond "just" being a codename. Make a reboot with a black actor and I'll have no objections.
Edit:
Maybe I should make clear that I'm talking about 60's Bond - Craig and Brosnan aren't in the same way connected to the historical upper class, in my opinion, so black Bond in a modern setting makes sense to me.
[QUOTE=V12US;46785119]excuse-negros[/QUOTE]
That's a new one.
I'll be a bit off topic, but since the guy can't be James Bond he should just be the next Superman or Batman. That would make more sense, would it ?
[QUOTE=Sprockethead;46784200]Well Rush limbaugh certainly cant star as james bond, because he is fucking fat.
Anyway, i thought this 007 thing was a thing that passed down to different agents as time went by?[/QUOTE]
That theory was kind of screwed with Skyfall.
Man I sure am glad to see that racism still permeates the film industry and modern society so much that we can't have a good fucking actor play James Bond.
Nope, always gotta be a white guy, nooooo matter what! Even when we aren't following the books anymore, nope, gotta be a white guy even though he changes every three films or so.
I really don't see the issue with a black person as James Bond. Of course it's a bit problematic given the story behind the character but then again there could be worse things. (And damn, I'd be even in for an adoption in this regard, explaining how he got into his position, given the historical details.)
[QUOTE=UberMensch;46784205]I get where he's coming from based on the "white and Scottish", but I don't see why things can be changed around a little.[/QUOTE]
White Scottish guy here, Idris kicks ass he can do what he likes, if he wants to be James Bond well everyone else can either like it or go fuck themselves.
Especially Rush.
Alternatively you could make a cool, British Spy Action Thriller movie with a charming black dude as the main character and just not have 'James Bond' as his name.
Call him Ames Jond.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;46784279]The issue I have with Idris Elba, or any black man really, taking the role of James Bond is an explanation I saw in the previous thread we had about this. Specifically, James Bond is meant to embody the Old World upper-class landed gentleman, the kind of guy you'd expect (were it a hundred years prior) to be found sitting in a rumpus room smoking a pipe as he discusses his time in the Zulu Wars with a handful of equally wealthy friends from the neighboring estates. He's a classic aristocrat forced to adapt to modern times.
It's a uniquely British role, which is why a black James Bond would make about as much sense as an American James Bond.[/QUOTE]
because black british people don't exist??
[QUOTE=Levithan;46785618]because black british people don't exist??[/QUOTE]
Black British people with the historically aristocratic ties that Bond has are very, very rare. If we're going to ignore that, why not get a Pakistani or Indian actor in on this? They're twice as common as black people in the UK, but personally it seems to me like they're represented even less in movies.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;46785730]Black British people with the historically aristocratic ties that Bond has are very, very rare. If we're going to ignore that, why not get a Pakistani or Indian actor in on this? They're twice as common as black people in the UK, but personally it seems to me like they're represented even less in movies.[/QUOTE]
You're right, Pakistani or Indian actors are not too common in films outside of their typecast rolls (i.e. Slumdog Millionaire)
[QUOTE=V12US;46785119]It had a whole army of gay fairy men, so props to Peter for that one.
But seriously, can we stop trying to be ultra-correct and try to shove excuse-negros into movies to show the rest of the world how progressive we are? If a black actor would genuinely fit the role, give him the role. Don't give him the role because you think your movie needs more black people. That's just fucked up.
I'm not specifically talking about James Bond. Just the modern day political correctness gone wild zeitgeist in general.[/QUOTE]
Do you think the same about remakes of movies such as Akira with a complete a white cast? Or Dragon Ball lol.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;46785730]Black British people with the historically aristocratic ties that Bond has are very, very rare. If we're going to ignore that, why not get a Pakistani or Indian actor in on this? They're twice as common as black people in the UK, but personally it seems to me like they're represented even less in movies.[/QUOTE]
Uh, why not? No one really has an issue with that, we just want to see Bond kick ass on screen, be a suave mother fucker and save the day with the girl in his arms. You don't need to be white to do those things.
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It's so enjoyable to see a good Bond movie, I really don't care who it is and what he looks like, I want him to be a good actor and Elba would be a good replacement for Craig if they make one.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;46785730]Black British people with the historically aristocratic ties that Bond has are very, very rare. If we're going to ignore that, why not get a Pakistani or Indian actor in on this? They're twice as common as black people in the UK, but personally it seems to me like they're represented even less in movies.[/QUOTE]
Maybe they just think Elba would be really good for the role? I'm sure if they thought an Asian actor was good for the role, they'd be considering him, too.
Isn't the point that Bond should be representing a specific stereotype?
[QUOTE=bravehat;46785767]Uh, why not? No one really has an issue with that, we just want to see Bond kick ass on screen, be a suave mother fucker and save the day with the girl in his arms. You don't need to be white to do those things.[/QUOTE]
When did "why not get a Pakistani or Indian actor in on this?" become "That would be so ridiculous!!!" and not a real, y'know, suggestion? Is it so commonplace to be a raving racist here in SH that such a suggestion can [I]only[/I] be racist and not genuine?
As I've explained before, I wouldn't mind a black actor in the role of Bond - I mean, I'd prefer a reboot to avoid making "Bond" just a codename, but I wouldn't be against it. It just seems like people assume that black people are the only ones in need of representation in films (largely because this is an American forum I think), but that's definitely not the case in Northern Europe. I'd say middle-eastern immigrants are much worse off (here in Scandinavia at least) compared to those of African descent.
[QUOTE=Rex McCoolguy;46784921]Don't.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Flyingman356;46784948]You might consider this satire or whatever but you're literally replicating things actual human beings would say about this. That's not satire. It's hardly even a parody. Consider your approach more carefully.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I'm sorry, it was jokingly made.
Still though, black Bond is like having a black Jesus.
[QUOTE=Da Vinci3;46785114][b]Now all we need is Black Jesus[/b], just give that fucker on the cross some shoe shine and we're all set.[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;AlzgDVLtU6g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhV7Zusnd0s[/video]
Seriously though, I'd love to see Idris Elba as James Bond even if it didn't make much sense in terms of what and who James Bond is supposed to be. It's not like the movies were accurate to the books to begin with considering they changed actors every few movies, even though they really had to.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;46785819]When did "why not get a Pakistani or Indian actor in on this?" become "That would be so ridiculous!!!" and not a real, y'know, suggestion? Is it so commonplace to be a raving racist here in SH that such a suggestion can [I]only[/I] be racist and not genuine?
As I've explained before, I wouldn't mind a black actor in the role of Bond - I mean, I'd prefer a reboot to avoid making "Bond" just a codename, but I wouldn't be against it. It just seems like people assume that black people are the only ones in need of representation in films (largely because this is an American forum I think), but that's definitely not the case in Northern Europe. I'd say middle-eastern immigrants are much worse off (here in Scandinavia at least) compared to those of African descent.[/QUOTE]
It was more that it came across as a suggestion that having an Indian or Pakistani actor would be absurd, my bad my I took that the wrong way.
But honestly I don't think people are as concerned about that sort of shit as much as the film industry is.
[QUOTE=IceBlizzard;46785050]they should cast michael cera[/QUOTE]
what! this guy?
[img]http://pmcdeadline2.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/samberg__121018212719-275x387.jpg[/img]
idk if he'd make a good Bond
Does that mean that Will Smith won't be the next doctor too?
Clearly blacks cannot play Bond, Rush Limbaugh.
So Danny Devito has to step up to the role he was born to play.
Felix Leiter (Bond's CIA counterpart throughout the series) was also played solely by white actors up until 2006's Casino Royale, when Jeffery Wright stepped in and made the role his own. In a series that flirts with dramatically different depictions of the same core character, I'm not seeing a huge issue with Idris stepping into the tuxedo.
007 is a code name that gets thrown around alot.
There is absolutely NO reason why Idris couldn't become 007.
Rush Limbaugh is just being a sack of shit again, nothing new here.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;46785821]Yeah I'm sorry, it was jokingly made.
Still though, black Bond is like having a black Jesus.[/QUOTE]
a better comparison would be that having a black Bond would be like having a white Shaft :v:
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