British actor Idris Elba cannot star as James Bond because he is black, says Rush Limbaugh - Polidicks

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46789117]Green lantern being black is an issue for you? Jesus christ, it's a ring that can be given to anyone of worth, and you're saying a black guy getting it is offensive? That's pretty much racism[/QUOTE] It isn't an issue for me, I was just using it as an example.

[QUOTE=Saigon;46789104]Annie, Captain America, Green Lantern, etc. And now James Bond.[/QUOTE] wasn't the whole captain america being black thing another superhero taking on his role? and there's been a black green lantern for ages... i remember justice league unlimited having a black green lantern when i was like 12 or something

[QUOTE=Saigon;46789124]It isn't an issue for me, I was just using it as an example.[/QUOTE] Okay so if Green Lantern is an example of it, you're using that to demonstrate what? Political correctness gone mad? Good job, you failed miserably on all accounts.

[QUOTE=Saigon;46789104]Annie, Captain America, Green Lantern, etc. And now James Bond.[/QUOTE] Captain America didn't turn black, do your research He passed on the mantle to the Falcon, who was already an established character and an ally of Cap for decades. The original Steve Rogers is still around, he just isn't Cap anymore. This is also not the first time he gave someone else the title, why is suddenly bad just because it concerns a black guy?

[QUOTE=Saigon;46789104]Annie, Captain America, Green Lantern, etc. And now James Bond.[/QUOTE] annie's more of a symbolic character than a well-established one, so i don't really think she's a good example. annie was redhead and shit back in the day because [I]at the time[/I] irish-americans were discriminated against like crazy. 2014 annie is black is a modern spin on the story to reflect current prejudices in the US. captain america is also different because the writers aren't literally rewriting cap from the ground up as black, they're just getting a new dude to wear the outfit, like with lady thor. and green lantern's a bad example because justice league had a badass black green lantern, and there are TONS of lantern dudes. correct me if i'm wrong because i'm not too into comic books, just going on what i've heard around the internet. all of these are pretty awful examples of "political correctness" taking over, because they all have pretty legit justifications story-wise, especially captain american and green lantern.

[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;46786200]I know, but I think that notion goes out the window, considering that Scandinavians pictured Odin as a one-eyed blonde dude, or Valkyries as women. But I get what you're saying.[/QUOTE] Heimdall stands guard at the Bifrost, and wouldn't have been seen by the Norse of Midgard. They'd only have secondhand accounts of him from the visiting Asgardians, and would probably just have made assumptions about his skin color, based on the physical appearance of Thor, Volstagg, etc.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46789117]Green lantern being black is an issue for you? Jesus christ, it's a ring that can be given to anyone of worth, and you're saying a black guy getting it is offensive? That's pretty much racism[/QUOTE] and it's ultimately beneficial to everyone. most of the diehard fans who say they don't care about their gender or race, which i find hard to believe tbh, will still get to enjoy their favorite characters, while young kids will grow up with more representation.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;46789126]wasn't the whole captain america being black thing another superhero taking on his role? and there's been a black green lantern for ages... i remember justice league unlimited having a black green lantern when i was like 12 or something[/QUOTE] That's John Stewart, the fourth Green Lantern from Earth (not counting Alan Scott, the Golden Age Green Lantern. . .not technically a member of the Green Lantern Corps, who's ring was magical in nature, and could be defeated by wood). Edit: Funny how nobody raised a ruckus when Baxter Stockman, a black scientist/inventor from the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles comic books, was made a white guy in the cartoon series.

"Oh James, I remember spending that summer with you in France, what happened since then?" "I got a tan.." That's my problem. While the codename 007 can be transferred, the name James Bond isn't. That's his name. There's no explanation as to why a new guy has his name. That, to me, is like if Harry Potter all of a sudden turned black in the middle of the series. It's a major story breaker that can't be explained by "well maybe he dyed his hair". In fact, I couldn't take Daniel Craig seriously as James Bond because he didn't appeal to me physically as a Bond type character.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46789221]"Oh James, I remember spending that summer with you in France, what happened since then?" "I got a tan.."[/QUOTE] did you really just write this

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46789221]"Oh James, I remember spending that summer with you in France, what happened since then?" "I got a tan.." That's my problem. While the codename 007 can be transferred, the name James Bond isn't. That's his name. There's no explanation as to why a new guy has his name. That, to me, is like if Harry Potter all of a sudden turned black in the middle of the series. It's a major story breaker that can't be explained by "well maybe he dyed his hair". In fact, I couldn't take Daniel Craig seriously as James Bond because he didn't appeal to me physically as a Bond type character.[/QUOTE] It doesn't matter what happens with that. When Daniel Craig took over as Bond, Judi Dench returned as M, in spite of it being a reboot, and her being a newcomer to MI6 when Brosnan's Bond appeared in Goldeneye. M was retconned as having always been a woman. Why can't James be retconned as having always been black? It's a silly argument.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46789221]"Oh James, I remember spending that summer with you in France, what happened since then?" "I got a tan.." That's my problem. While the codename 007 can be transferred, the name James Bond isn't. That's his name. There's no explanation as to why a new guy has his name. That, to me, is like if Harry Potter all of a sudden turned black in the middle of the series. It's a major story breaker that can't be explained by "well maybe he dyed his hair". In fact, I couldn't take Daniel Craig seriously as James Bond because he didn't appeal to me physically as a Bond type character.[/QUOTE] have the writers ever explained the difference in Bond's appearance in the past every time a new actor took up the role? why would Elba doing this be any different?

[QUOTE=NuclearJesus;46789255]It doesn't matter what happens with that. When Daniel Craig took over as Bond, Judi Dench returned as M, in spite of it being a reboot, and her being a newcomer to MI6 when Brosnan's Bond appeared in Goldeneye. M was retconned as having always been a woman. Why can't James be retconned as having always been black? It's a silly argument.[/QUOTE] Because the whole franchise doesn't revolve around M. It revolves around James Bond. If you want to see the franchise as just individual movies, then yes, your way works. But some of us can't see it as just a collection of individual movies, but instead as a whole story of a man's career. Like I said, I had too much trouble getting comfortable with Daniel Craig being James Bond because to me, that was too far from what he always was. So I doesn't really matter to me. They could make him asian for all I care at this point. I probably won't be able to watch it and get into it anyways...

[QUOTE=NuclearJesus;46789255]It doesn't matter what happens with that. When Daniel Craig took over as Bond, Judi Dench returned as M, in spite of it being a reboot, and her being a newcomer to MI6 when Brosnan's Bond appeared in Goldeneye. M was retconned as having always been a woman. Why can't James be retconned as having always been black? It's a silly argument.[/QUOTE] Maybe I missed something in Skyfall, but didn't [sp]Fiennes become the "traditional" M after Dench died? And he's the one in the rest of the movies?[/sp]. Haven't seen the Brosnan films in ages, so maybe I'm missing something important from there.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46789306]Because the whole franchise doesn't revolve around M. It revolves around James Bond. If you want to see the franchise as just individual movies, then yes, your way works. But some of us can't see it as just a collection of individual movies, but instead as a whole story of a man's career. Like I said, I had too much trouble getting comfortable with Daniel Craig being James Bond because to me, that was too far from what he always was. So I doesn't really matter to me. They could make him asian for all I care at this point. I probably won't be able to watch it and get into it anyways...[/QUOTE] It's great to see that you put physical characteristics, including race, in front of a movie's actual value, it's story.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46789306]Because the whole franchise doesn't revolve around M. It revolves around James Bond. If you want to see the franchise as just individual movies, then yes, your way works. But some of us can't see it as just a collection of individual movies, but instead as a whole story of a man's career. Like I said, I had too much trouble getting comfortable with Daniel Craig being James Bond because to me, that was too far from what he always was. So I doesn't really matter to me. They could make him asian for all I care at this point. I probably won't be able to watch it and get into it anyways...[/QUOTE] Personally I think the series (as a single story) totally stopped making sense around the Brosnan era - Bond should be old as shit at this point, and I can really only think of both the Brosnan films and the Craig films as reboots. As mentioned I haven't seen the Brosnan films in a while, but that's how I remember feeling about them.

imho, Silence I Kill You, you are a racist.

[QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;46789326]It's great to see that you put physical characteristics, including race, in front of a movie's actual value, it's story.[/QUOTE] It's great to see you will completely ignore my point to try a thinly veiled attempt at portraying me as racist. [QUOTE=GoDong-DK;46789337]Personally I think the series (as a single story) totally stopped making sense around the Brosnan era - Bond should be old as shit at this point, and I can really only think of both the Brosnan films and the Craig films as reboots. As mentioned I haven't seen the Brosnan films in a while, but that's how I remember feeling about them.[/QUOTE] I kinda feel the same way, but the only reason I could watch the Brosnan films (somewhat) is because the main character of Bond was essentially the same type of person with the same traits. He fit in with the Bond stereotype and I was able to stomach it. But I couldn't do it with the Craig films. He was just too far away from the stereotypical Bond.

[QUOTE=Saigon;46788881]Why should they change Ian Fleming's character over political correctness?[/QUOTE] Because who cares what Fleming's concept was? Fleming's been dead for half a century, I'm sure he won't be complaining about who they cast or how Bond is portrayed in the film adaptations.

About the Codename thing, what if it could be both. For example *new movie* Jame Bond current dies and passes his name on to another really good agent.

[QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;46789341]imho, Silence I Kill You, you are a racist.[/QUOTE] tbf his username literally is a quote from one of the most racist and xenophobic bits of modern comedy SOOOOO

[QUOTE=BrickInHead;46789446]tbf his username literally is a quote from one of the most racist and xenophobic bits of modern comedy SOOOOO[/QUOTE] completely forgot about that. well.

I say fuck it, make him whatever you want. Make him an elderly chinese woman, fuck it, make him a Norwegian Forest Cat. If it's a good movie I don't much care. [editline]e[/editline] [img]https://31.media.tumblr.com/4776f2bd1385ff53ad92e2da29bbe5d2/tumblr_inline_mtg6cyvOKb1r0m3cs.jpg[/img] "The name's Bond...James Bond."

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;46789421]About the Codename thing, what if it could be both. For example *new movie* Jame Bond current dies and passes his name on to another really good agent.[/QUOTE] Maybe it could work, but then it should've tied into the previous movie - why did Bond die, and what kind of relationship did the guy have to Bond to actually take on his name? Why would M decide "Yeah, you're gonna be 007 now, but we're also calling you James Bond because otherwise how were we going to recognize you?". Seems kinda dumb if you catch my drift? Why not just have a new spy character if they're going to be James Bond in name only anyway? Why even explain it with "the old one died" when a reboot would make more sense? I wouldn't mind a movie where Bond got killed, and someone took on his name maybe both out of respect and because it'd help him out in the plot for some reason or another. Bond's death should just seem significant, so just making a movie where he dies 5 minutes in, and some other guy takes his helm would be stupid in my opinion. Make a whole movie setting up for that, then keep on making films with the new guy maybe? I don't know. There just needs to be a set up for you to care about Bond's death, and make you invested in who the new guy is. They could always do a reboot later and retcon his death.

[QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;46789326]It's great to see that you put physical characteristics, including race, in front of a movie's actual value, it's story.[/QUOTE] In many movies you can't just ignore the characters race, it fuels the story. Shaft(2000) can't be a white dude, because it's a story about a black cop and racial problems. Rush hour is all about black guy and chinese guy, movie wouldn't even make sense if they were both the same race. Shangai Noon, lethal weapon was the same. There are thousands of other examples.

[QUOTE=AntonioR;46789528]In many movies you can't just ignore the characters race, it fuels the story. Shaft(2000) can't be a white dude, because it's a story about a black cop and racial problems. Rush hour is all about black guy and chinese guy, movie wouldn't even make sense if they were both the same race. Shangai Noon, lethal weapon was the same. There are thousands of other examples.[/QUOTE] We're talking about this movie though, race doesn't matter with this one.

Since "James Bond" is the actual guy's name in the new continuity you can always explain away a new 007 (i.e. Elba) receiving the name as being done so in respect of the original Bond, turning his name into the de facto non-number codename for MI6's best agent. After all, 007 has almost always been referred to more by his name than his 00 number, so keeping the name as a second codename layer works.

[QUOTE=AntonioR;46789528]In many movies you can't just ignore the characters race, it fuels the story. Shaft(2000) can't be a white dude, because it's a story about a black cop and racial problems. Rush hour is all about black guy and chinese guy, movie wouldn't even make sense if they were both the same race. Shangai Noon, lethal weapon was the same. There are thousands of other examples.[/QUOTE] So because some stories work around race, James Bond works around race? Unlike Shaft, James Bond has little to do with racial tensions. I'll just say you cited some real true cinematic classics there to make your argument. Real classy.

I don't remember race being a big part of Lethal Weapon.

Race was never a component of 007. It was charming and intelligent smoothness of character and actions that makes James Bond so great.