Dumbass cops "knock"/pound on man's door without identifying themselves @ 1:30AM, man opens door wit - Polidicks

[QUOTE=scout1;39609436]Yeah I am sure victim blaming by explaining that everyone has a right to defend themselves when someone threatens you[/QUOTE] the police are at fault, they initiated possibly-hostile contact and caused a death because of their error. they are responsible and culpable for their actions.

[QUOTE=scout1;39609436]Yeah I am sure victim blaming by explaining that everyone has a right to defend themselves when someone threatens you [editline]16th February 2013[/editline] You're ignoring every other factor like oh you know a guy going out the back or worse laying in wait for police, as opposed to coming to the front door[/QUOTE] So? It's still the cops' fault for not following the proper procedure. I really don't see what you're trying to accomplish here.

[QUOTE=scout1;39609436] You're ignoring every other factor like oh you know a guy going out the back or worse laying in wait for police, as opposed to coming to the front door[/QUOTE] what this really raises questions about is whether or not they had intentions to take the actual suspect alive as it was, if they had guns pointed at the ready.

[QUOTE=Roger Waters;39609445]the police are at fault, they initiated possibly-hostile contact and caused a death because of their error. they are responsible and culpable for their actions.[/QUOTE] Knocking on someone's door early in the morning is hostile, but pointing a gun at someone isn't? Well shit remind me never to ask you for help [editline]16th February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Roger Waters;39609450]what this really raises questions about is whether or not they had intentions to take the actual suspect alive as it was, if they had guns pointed at the ready.[/QUOTE] Seriously, every cop is now out looking to kill suspects so they can be automatically placed on administrative leave, thoroughly investigated, and possibly have their career leveled and themselves imprisoned??

[QUOTE=scout1;39609454]Knocking on someone's door early in the morning is hostile, but pointing a gun at someone isn't? Well shit remind me never to ask you for help[/QUOTE] you're an absolute ball-brain and you're intentionally taking my meanings wrongly. the police [B][U][I]INITATED [/I][/U][/B] the contact. they are responsible for the actions otherwise. allow me to repeat this they [H2]INITATED. AKA STARTED[/h2] the contact. they're responsible for actions thuswardly.

[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;39609446]So? It's still the cops' fault for not following the proper procedure. I really don't see what you're trying to accomplish here.[/QUOTE] Tell me how this isn't proper procedure.

[QUOTE=scout1;39609454] Seriously, every cop is now out looking to kill suspects so they can be automatically placed on administrative leave, thoroughly investigated, and possibly have their career leveled and themselves imprisoned??[/QUOTE] please stop shoving straw up my anus it hurts

[QUOTE=Roger Waters;39609464]you're an absolute ball-brain and you're intentionally taking my meanings wrongly. the police [B][U][I]INITATED [/I][/U][/B] the contact. they are responsible for the actions otherwise. allow me to repeat this they [H2]INITATED. AKA STARTED[/h2] the contact. they're responsible for actions thuswardly.[/QUOTE] [B]KNOCKING ON SOMEONE'S DOOR IS NOT AN 'INITIATION OF POSSIBLY HOSTILE CONTACT' UNLESS THEY'RE BREAKING THE FUCKING DOOR DOWN [/B] [editline]16th February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Roger Waters;39609474]please stop shoving straw up my anus it hurts[/QUOTE] You accused them of being out to kill the suspect, I don't think it gets any clearer than that

[QUOTE=scout1;39609467]Tell me how this isn't proper procedure.[/QUOTE] When you're a cop and you start banging a door at 1:30 AM you kinda have to identify yourself as one.

[QUOTE=scout1;39609476][B]KNOCKING ON SOMEONE'S DOOR IS NOT AN 'INITIATION OF POSSIBLY HOSTILE CONTACT' UNLESS THEY'RE BREAKING THE FUCKING DOOR DOWN [/B][/QUOTE] hammering on your door at 1:30 in the motherfucking morning without identifying yourself is pretty fucking hostile to me, love. i don't know about you but i'd be fucking on my aitches.

[QUOTE=scout1;39609436]Yeah I am sure victim blaming by explaining that everyone has a right to defend themselves when someone threatens you[/QUOTE] You're victim blaming, you're glossing over the fact that the police were completely incompetent and focusing on a honest mistake.

[QUOTE=Roger Waters;39609362]surely if he answered the door and they did have weapons pointed, he would have either fired or immediately disarmed? why did the police shoot immediately? this sounds like something out of fucking hitman, the second you remotely show any sign of a weapon everyone decides to turn you into a lead salad.[/QUOTE] The dirty pigs were paid for a hit! We need to topple the government! Viva la Revolución!

Here's hoping they get charged with murder Shame the most they'll receive is a suspension..

[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;39609481]When you're a cop and you start banging a door at 1:30 AM you kinda have to identify yourself as one.[/QUOTE] According to

[QUOTE=ultra_bright;39609487]The dirty pigs were paid for a hit! We need to topple the government! Viva la Revolución![/QUOTE] yes i totally implied that they're trained hitmen and this is all some sort of illuminati Mj12 trickster game gasp call in jc denton excuse me for using a comparison with a peice of popular culture. i will take my rusty bones and sweep away into the junkpile.

[QUOTE=Noss;39609489]Here's hoping they get charged with murder Shame the most they'll receive is a suspension..[/QUOTE] They will get a paid vacation and a slap on the wrist, maybe they'll feel remorse.

[QUOTE=scout1;39609492]According to[/QUOTE] common fucking sense ? You're supposed to identify yourself when hammering someone's door, police or not.

[QUOTE=scout1;39609492]According to[/QUOTE] this just in: nobody has to identify themselves when knocking on doors at 1am. it's totally okay to rap on someone's door in the dead of night and expect them to be incredibly cuddly huggy and friendly.

[QUOTE=Roger Waters;39609482]hammering on your door at 1:30 in the motherfucking morning without identifying yourself is pretty fucking hostile to me, love. i don't know about you but i'd be fucking on my aitches.[/QUOTE] so someone has come to hurt you and they do it by knocking on your door early in the morning Yeah that's real hostile [editline]16th February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Lamar;39609485]You're victim blaming, you're glossing over the fact that the police were completely incompetent and focusing on a honest mistake.[/QUOTE] Except that any supposed incompetence has yet to be pointed out except by people saying they did what they were supposed to

[QUOTE=scout1;39609506]so someone has come to hurt you and they do it by knocking on your door early in the morning Yeah that's real hostile[/QUOTE] do you even read the stuff you post or is it just a combination of button mashes and spaces?

[QUOTE=Noss;39609489]Here's hoping they get charged with murder Shame the most they'll receive is a suspension..[/QUOTE] It's not murder if you shoot someone who's pointing a gun at you, that's reasonable force

[QUOTE=scout1;39609506]so someone has come to hurt you and they do it by knocking on your door early in the morning Yeah that's real hostile [editline]16th February 2013[/editline] Except that any supposed incompetence has yet to be pointed out except by people saying they did what they were supposed to[/QUOTE] There aren't a lot of reasonable people that knock on doors in the early hours of the morning.

[QUOTE=scout1;39609514]It's not murder if you shoot someone who's pointing a gun at you, that's reasonable force[/QUOTE] according to????????????

[QUOTE=Deep;39609501]common fucking sense ? You're supposed to identify yourself when hammering someone's door, police or not.[/QUOTE] He claimed procedural violation I'm waiting for him to identify this apparent rule for the police [QUOTE=Roger Waters;39609503]this just in: nobody has to identify themselves when knocking on doors at 1am. it's totally okay to rap on someone's door in the dead of night and expect them to be incredibly cuddly huggy and friendly.[/QUOTE] See above Nobody expects huggly friendly cuddly (thanks for straw man), but they don't expect someone ready to kill them

[QUOTE=Roger Waters;39609503]this just in: nobody has to identify themselves when knocking on doors at 1am. it's totally okay to rap on someone's door in the dead of night and expect them to be incredibly cuddly huggy and friendly.[/QUOTE] Nevermind the fact police officers are fucking taught to do so while they're in training. Hence it's part of the procedure.

[QUOTE=Roger Waters;39609518]according to????????????[/QUOTE] See: Stand your ground laws, self-defense statutes

[QUOTE=scout1;39609514]It's not murder if you shoot someone who's pointing a gun at you, that's reasonable force[/QUOTE] And it's not stupid to be ready for trouble if you answer your door at 1am. If they had just said "Police, open up!" This whole thing could have been avoided.

[QUOTE=dogmachines;39609516]There aren't a lot of reasonable people that knock on doors in the early hours of the morning.[/QUOTE] Except of course in extenuating circumstances [editline]16th February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=dogmachines;39609529]And it's not stupid to be ready for trouble if you answer your door at 1am. If they had just said "Police, open up!" This whole thing could have been avoided.[/QUOTE] It's fine to be ready for trouble it's not fine to point a weapon at someone who has not threatened nor harmed you

We have only the word of the people that shot him that he was even pointing the weapon at them.

[QUOTE=scout1;39609514]It's not murder if you shoot someone who's pointing a gun at you, that's reasonable force[/QUOTE] Oh guess what, he wouldn't be pointing a gun if they had identified themselves in the first place.