Dumbass cops "knock"/pound on man's door without identifying themselves @ 1:30AM, man opens door wit - Polidicks

This is literally a thread of the people v scout1

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;39610705] So I'd walk up to you and punch you in the face, and you'd try to defend yourself, for instance with a gun, it would be okay if I killed you with my own? Same how it's okay for a police officer to dress up in casual clothes and offer free weed to people and bust them for possession the moment they take it...[/QUOTE] You're comparing physically assaulting someone to knocking on their door for permission to enter I think the people at the top of this page called that stupid [editline]16th February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Lalelalala;39610715]Bullshit. That would be the most inane and cryptic of procedures ever.[/QUOTE] Go point a gun at an officer, see what happens [editline]16th February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=EnlightenDead;39610720]Have you ever been robbed? If you dont answer your door, criminals will assume that no one is home, or that you are asleep and therefore break in. This guy obviously did not want that to happen, and brought a gun when opening the door to be sure. Then the cops shoot him without a warning.[/QUOTE] There are other ways to do so without opening the door and threatning the people on the other side without a gun. [editline]16th February 2013[/editline] Also the "cops shot him without a warning"? Someone points a gun at you, do you warn you will defend yourself?

Scout listen. It was never even confirmed the gun was pointed at the cops, it may have been sky high and they said it was aimed at him to cover their mistakes. It wouldn't be the first time. The fact of the matter is, the cops were in the wrong for this. They didn't identify themselves as police officers -like ALL cops do when they knock on doors unless they're idiots and are asking to be injured-, and the man was rightfully worried about it all. He goes up to the door thinking maybe it's a criminal or something, can't let those types get into the house! They see the gun and overreact, forgetting to put themselves in his position and say "hey I'd probably do the same" and then shoot the guy. The cops made a mistake that cost a life, it's shitty but it happened.

I told scout1 to drop it. edit: I haven't read the thread though so I'm not sure what's going on.

[QUOTE=scout1;39610729]You're comparing physically assaulting someone to knocking on their door for permission to enter I think the people at the top of this page called that stupid[/QUOTE] Oh my god you are so dull. You need everything to be spoon-fed to you. If I make you feel like your life is in danger because of me (even if I actually don't want to kill you, but you don't know that), do I have the right to kill you if you try to defend yourself? [QUOTE=scout1;39610729]Also the "cops shot him without a warning"? Someone points a gun at you, do you warn you will defend yourself?[/QUOTE] They are the fucking reason for him to be pointing the gun at them...

I think the police and the man were both at fault here, but the police shouldn't be able to get away with a slap on the wrist for it.

[QUOTE=scout1;39610381]The fed, not state and announce, not identify There are also very valid reasons (in that very wikipedia article) when that can be wavied.[/QUOTE] I'm fairly certain the 4th Amendment applies to, oh I don't know, every single state? Also, the article says that they are required to announce their presence, meaning they say "POLICE OFFICERS." not just "We're here!"

[QUOTE=Swebonny;39610793]I told scout1 to drop it. edit: I haven't read the thread though so I'm not sure what's going on.[/QUOTE] Basically he thinks that the cops were in the right for doing this and that the man was prepared to kill cops well knowing who they were or something like that

[QUOTE=Swebonny;39610793]I told scout1 to drop it. edit: I haven't read the thread though so I'm not sure what's going on.[/QUOTE] Six pages of him disagreeing with everyone else...you're not missing much

[QUOTE=Swebonny;39610793]I told scout1 to drop it. edit: I haven't read the thread though so I'm not sure what's going on.[/QUOTE] His stance in a nutshell [QUOTE=scout1;39610679][QUOTE=.Isak.;39610669] By your logic, I could legally be a mass murderer if I simply walked up to every house and pounded on the door until someone with a gun answered, at which point I'd be totally within my right to shoot them and continue walking to the next house. That's not true. [/QUOTE] When someone points a gun at you without threatening them, yes you have a right to defend yourself. I doubt many people are going to answer the door, or do so with a weapon pointed at you but sure go ahead[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Swebonny;39610793]I told scout1 to drop it. edit: I haven't read the thread though so I'm not sure what's going on.[/QUOTE] Please take a look see and check it out, cause if what happened wasn't threadshitting, then I'm Santa Claus. ANYWAY, BACK ON TOPIC. I think the cops were in the wrong here. It's so strange for them to "pound", "knock", what have you, on someone's door at 1AM or so without announcing who they are. The fact that they shot him as soon as they saw the gun is also pretty suspicious. To me it seems like they were waaaay too anxious to handle the case, and they should have called in more backup, or got the bullhorn out or something. If you're scared of announcing you're the police, you shouldn't have just yourself there. Why they didn't call for backup is beyond me. When it comes down to it, I believe the police should be trialed for murder, just like any normal civilian would be. [editline]16th February 2013[/editline] If anything they should be trialed for manslaughter.

why did they knock if they were planning on shooting him anyway

[QUOTE=Eltro102;39611002]why did they knock if they were planning on shooting him anyway[/QUOTE] Because they can't break in without a warrant and a broken door is solid evidence while a dead person with a gun is just perfect for them.

I honestly stand with the cops on this one. They didnt want to identify as police because the suspect who was suspected for murder might fucking blast them through the door. I dont know what goes through your mind to pull out a gun first when opening the door if someone is knocking on it with a bang instead of them breaking the damn thing down. To people saying the man is innocent, he is, but it doesnt cover his act of stupidity of pulling a gun out to people knocking on the door in the morning. Also how would you not see the squad cars in your front yard to know its police? The police thought the suspect was the murderer and the man happened to open the door with a gun pointed at them. Police training would tell you to open fire, not reason with him. It was a fuck up on both the cop's and the guy's fault.

police don't park outside the house. they park down the street, for that reason

Sucks to be him, But before i opened the door i would of yelled "WHO IS IT?!" to which (i hope) they would of identified themselves as cops... Not just opened the door with a gun pointed at the person outside...

So now I have to be worried to answer MY OWN DOOR armed, in the middle of the night? What the fuck kind of "free" country is this?

[QUOTE=rnate;39612128]So now I have to be worried to answer MY OWN DOOR armed, in the middle of the night? What the fuck kind of "free" country is this?[/QUOTE] Maybe you shouldnt answer your door at 1am. What good ever comes from answering a door at 1am.

[QUOTE=areolop;39612163]Maybe you shouldnt answer your door at 1am. What good ever comes from answering a door at 1am.[/QUOTE] Is this a joke? I can't even comprehend how you're asking me that. Did you know burglars commonly knock on the door first?

[QUOTE=areolop;39612163]Maybe you shouldnt answer your door at 1am. What good ever comes from answering a door at 1am.[/QUOTE] well there was a time my life might of been in danger if my door wasn't answered at 1AM

I have no words. That is fucking murder. He had every right to be armed in those circumstances. Unfuckingbelivable

the officers have to face a jury to be cleared of any criminal charges ... now we wait

Fucking cops.

I was under the impression that police officers, by law, have to identify themselves as law enforcement when on official police duty- when they're knocking on doors and so forth. (No, I'm not talking about under cover officers.)

[QUOTE=scout1;39610450]Okay let me make it clear: That applies to [B]the federal government and its subsidiaries, not local police unless their state has codified a similar law[/B][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=scout1;39610381]The fed, not state[/QUOTE] While admittedly this is consistent of your posting style, you might not want to try to act all high & mighty and thinking you're right (hint: you're far from it) while remaining completely oblivious to one of the most basic, fundamental processes in federal law. There's a little neat thing called the [B]incorporation doctrine[/B] (in addition to the fourteenth amendment) which essentially applies provisions from the Bill of Rights (and US Constitution) to state and local governments. Yes, this also includes the 4th amendment under Wolf v. Colorado (1949).

[QUOTE=Starpluck;39612641]While admittedly this is consistent of your posting style, you might not want to try to act all high & mighty and thinking you're right (hint: you're far from it) while remaining completely oblivious to one of the most basic, fundamental processes in federal law. There's a little neat thing called the [B]incorporation doctrine[/B] (in addition to the fourteenth amendment) which essentially applies provisions from the Bill of Rights (and US Constitution) to state and local governments. Yes, this also includes the 4th amendment under Wolf v. Colorado (1949).[/QUOTE] No offense, but I think if scout1 is being forced to drop the subject, the rest of us should too.

Am I the only one who realizes this article is like, half a year old?

[quote=Article]Jul 16, 2012[/quote] I knew this sounded familiar, I read a thread on it before.

This incident is a great example of why if someone knocks on your door at 1:30, you should do [I]anything[/I] other than open the door. If this guy had called the police or even threatened to call the police instead, he'd still be alive now.

[QUOTE=Swebonny;39610793]I told scout1 to drop it. edit: I haven't read the thread though so I'm not sure what's going on.[/QUOTE] Just got back to see your message and post. I've replied, and I'll wait for that. Until then, dropped as requested.