Tesla 'autosteer' update will make electric cars self-driving on highways - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Velocet;48352664]Don't they plan on a $17,500 model by 2022 or something? That sounds extremely reasonable.[/QUOTE] Oh, are they actually moving forward on that? I guess if it has autopilot, then yeah, we could afford a self-driving Tesla someday.

[QUOTE=woolio1;48354817]Oh, are they actually moving forward on that? I guess if it has autopilot, then yeah, we could afford a self-driving Tesla someday.[/QUOTE] $35,000 before incentives coming out in 2017.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;48345725]I really don't understand why people don't like evaluating integrals so much that they try to shift the responsibilities of doing maths onto computers and robots with all these recent advances in processing power.[/QUOTE] Yeah, but it comes to a point that we will remain sitting on our fat asses doing nothing while robots do everything for you. I dunno about you, but I'm willing to work on some stuff myself as well, thanks.

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;48357608]Yeah, but it comes to a point that we will remain sitting on our fat asses doing nothing while robots do everything for you. I dunno about you, but I'm willing to work on some stuff myself as well, thanks.[/QUOTE] Maybe you are, but what about the moron texting in the lane beside you, as you barrel down the highway at 80 miles an hour? Autonomous cars are a great solution to the problem of drivers who don't care about driving. I, personally, enjoy not dying in terrifying automobile accidents, so the sooner these things are on the road the better.

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;48357608]Yeah, but it comes to a point that we will remain sitting on our fat asses doing nothing while robots do everything for you. I dunno about you, but I'm willing to work on some stuff myself as well, thanks.[/QUOTE] What makes that any different from now though? We have factories assembling cars, computers, furniture, etc. en masse saving us the effort needed to do that. But people still build kit cars, assemble computers and create furniture themselves. Why would automation of some of the most mundane shit in our days actively force you to sit on your ass and not do something as a hobby or side project like you would currently?

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;48361004]How can a car can be "hacked"?[/QUOTE] Cars have a control computer that monitors many things, in many cases a car simply will not run without that computer working properly. Some of those computers might have communication abilities that could be exploited to take control of the vehicle with no physical presence.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;48361995]Now I think of it, rather than hacking, jamming the sensors in case it uses an exploitable way could be more viable. Though why would a self driving car's computer communicate with the outer world in an unsafe manner?[/QUOTE] Because car computers are not designed to be secure. Up until recently, the only attack vector was the diagnostics port (which requires physically plugging something in) and to a lesser extent, the keyfob. It wasn't a big concern. Now car computers have fully fledged OS's, wifi, Bluetooth, cellular radios and such. However, the way these systems communicate (the CAN bus) hasn't really changed in many years, and it was never really designed with inter system security in mind. This means that each computer has to have its own security measures. However, auto engineers are not exactly known for making well thought out car electronics, so it wouldn't surprise me that security was barely even a concern. Once you find a way to compromise one system, you basically have full rights to everything else, as there is no concept of "least privilege" in the car world, which has been standard practice on modern computer OS's for decades.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;48361004]How can a car can be "hacked"?[/QUOTE] Simply, by executing correct code on remote computer you can gain access to computer of some car

Let's be honest. Well first, let's forget about the whole automated cars are going to take over the world rubbish. But what I want to be honest about is, if you had to drive for two hours down the highway to get wherever you're going, it would be nice to have that autosteer option. I wouldn't use it on my fifteen minute commute to work, but if I were driving down to Sydney then yeah I would use it.

I really don't get the whole obsession with "they can glitch or be dumb or get hacked" that skeptics seem to have. The system in and of itself is fairly foolproof, as driving is literally just "follow the rules" and computers are incredible at that. When it comes to hackability, poor decisions or glitches it really boils down to whether or not we wish to trust the engineers who are developing this. We already literally trust engineers with our lives and privacy more or less 24/7, and I don't see how an autonomous vehicle is any different. We already have tons of things like hospital equipment and such where we entirely trust the engineers to have developed safe products even if they're digital and have some kind of connectivity that may or may not be abusable. Trusting and using autonomous cars really seems natural at this point, and I can guarantee you that any skeptic is already putting their life in the hands of engineers already.