Video shows Islamist rebels executing 11 Syrian soldiers - Polidicks

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;40687817]yeh fair enough my knowledge of the quran wasn't up to scratch but your understanding of faith and belief is laughable and your rhetoric is hilarious. yeh mate i'll keep going to the end of my "hopeless existence" (that edge mate hahaha) of letting people be happy and living my life as a normal, sane person while you enjoy your life as a tinfoil hat-wearing lunatic happily waiting for the genocide of the human race[/QUOTE] letting people be happy? do you think the homosexuals that islam condemns to death and describes as freaks are happy? they're killing themselves at alarming rates because of the discrimination organized religion causes. and what of the women who are forced to marry at 14 and live their lives with abusive husbands because ''allah'' demands it of them. do you think theo van gogh was happy when he got executed by a muslim because the entire community of islam was outraged by his documentary about the women of islam? or how about the people in this video. do they look happy to you? because they look dead to me.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;40676676]2:191 And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. 5:33 The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified 4:89 But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. 8:39 Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme[/QUOTE] Sir, all those quotes have been cut out of larger verses that would explain how those are not directed at all unbelievers. You've also forgotten many quotes that come RIGHT AFTER those verses. [B](2:191)[/B] You've forgotten [192] and [193] which state: [B][192][/B] "But if they cease, then Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." [B][193][/B] " And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allâh) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allâh (Alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zâlimûn (the polytheists, and wrong-doers)" These commandments came after some Pagan tribes broke a truce with the Prophet and attacked them, then when he managed to retake Mecca he forgave the attackers, yet still some were intent on killing all Muslims. That quote is basically stating that the pagans who want to kill all Muslims, are obviously allowed to be killed by Muslims. However if they lay down their arms they will be forgiven by god. [B]5:33:[/B] You cut out literally half of that quote, and it states that it only counts for people that rage war against their god. It's self defense. And the rest of the quotes say the same stuff about forgiveness if they stop hating Muslims and all that jazz.

[QUOTE=KingArcher;40692221]Sir, all those quotes have been cut out of larger verses that would explain how those are not directed at all unbelievers. You've also forgotten many quotes that come RIGHT AFTER those verses. [B](2:191)[/B] You've forgotten [192] and [193] which state: [B][192][/B] "But if they cease, then Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." [B][193][/B] " And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allâh) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allâh (Alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zâlimûn (the polytheists, and wrong-doers)" These commandments came after some Pagan tribes broke a truce with the Prophet and attacked them, then when he managed to retake Mecca he forgave the attackers, yet still some were intent on killing all Muslims. That quote is basically stating that the pagans who want to kill all Muslims, are obviously allowed to be killed by Muslims. However if they lay down their arms they will be forgiven by god. [B]5:33:[/B] You cut out literally half of that quote, and it states that it only counts for people that rage war against their god. It's self defense. And the rest of the quotes say the same stuff about forgiveness if they stop hating Muslims and all that jazz.[/QUOTE] yeah, there's stuff that preaches forgiveness and freeing prisoners etc. but there are also lines that say under no circumstance should you let an ''infidel'' live. never have I claimed that any religion is consistent. I don't have a quran (obviously) and I have never read the entirety of the quran so when someone asks me ''where in the quran does it say this'' all I can really do is research it and try to steer them in the right direction should they be genuinely interested, and forgive me if I don't want to spend hours researching just to prove a point to delusional people that are going to walk away with the same ultra-liberal outlook regardless.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;40692453]yeah, there's stuff that preaches forgiveness and freeing prisoners etc. but there are also lines that say under no circumstance should you let an ''infidel'' live. never have I claimed that any religion is consistent. I don't have a quran (obviously) and I have never read the entirety of the quran so when someone asks me ''where in the quran does it say this'' all I can really do is research it and try to steer them in the right direction should they be genuinely interested, and forgive me if I don't want to spend hours researching just to prove a point to delusional people that are going to walk away with the same ultra-liberal outlook regardless.[/QUOTE] Since it appears to be impossible to argue with you, I am offering a rebuttal: ur dumb

[QUOTE=KingArcher;40692568]Since it appears to be impossible to argue with you, I am offering a rebuttal: ur dumb[/QUOTE] that guy wasn't trying to argue at all. he pointed out missing pieces in the quotes and I gave him an explanation. in fact nobody has tried to argue with me. there's ''yeh mate'' guy who's as naive as a 3 year old and just proclaims that non violent muslims excuse everything else islam is responsible for, then there's cone who called me a liar and got proven wrong, and my personal favourite, fayezz. the best creature on the internet.

[QUOTE=KingArcher;40692221] [B]5:33:[/B] You cut out literally half of that quote, and it states that it only counts for people that rage war against their god. It's self defense. [/QUOTE] So if I draw pictures of Muhammed, does that justify them killing me? Because I am waging war against their religion.

[QUOTE=lanhacker1488;40693872]So if I draw pictures of Muhammed, does that justify them killing me? Because I am waging war against their religion.[/QUOTE] is there actually something in the quran about showing images of muhammed?

[QUOTE=Hunterdnrc;40676663] And can someone explain the allah ackbar thing, it seems odd to keep repeating it.[/QUOTE] It's a way of making barbarism appear like righteous justice from God. Helps their conscience. I find it revolting.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;40693929]is there actually something in the quran about showing images of muhammed?[/QUOTE] No but it's a common belief. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depictions_of_Muhammad[/url]

Islam..the religion of peace. :eng101: *flame suit on*

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;40693929]is there actually something in the quran about showing images of muhammed?[/QUOTE] Admittedly, there is nothing about that in the actual Quran, but in other important teachings related to Islam. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depictions_of_Muhammad[/url]

[QUOTE=laserguided;40673746][url]http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/16/us-syria-crisis-executions-idUSBRE94F0AM20130516[/url] [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/16/syria-execution-video-jabhat-al-nusra-jihadists-kill-regime-supporters_n_3284806.html?utm_hp_ref=world[/url] [video=youtube;kTWFk4wa9HA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTWFk4wa9HA[/video][/QUOTE] justice is served

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;40692453]I don't have a quran (obviously) and I have never read the entirety of the quran so when someone asks me ''where in the quran does it say this'' all I can really do is research it and try to steer them in the right direction should they be genuinely interested, and forgive me if I don't want to spend hours researching just to prove a point to delusional people that are going to walk away with the same ultra-liberal outlook regardless.[/QUOTE] There's your first problem. There's really no arguing about it, when you Google search, "examples of the koran being violent" you're going to get biased information that is totally wrong. What people do is just cut out snippets of verses in the Qur'an and leave out important details. If you read the Qur'an, yes an actual Qur'an, you'd understand that it [i]only[/i] sanctions defensive war and the taking of a life may only be done under just cause. The [i]only[/i] reason there are Muslims out there killing infidels and waging war is because the bad guys intentionally (mis)use the Qur'an to enhance their power-hungry political agenda; to get these people to feel like they need to strap a bomb to their chest, and they'll do it. The Qur'an doesn't advocate violence, war, murder, and genocide. It doesn't tell Islam to blow shit up and screw up an entire section of the world. Sorry but it just doesn't and saying it does is pure fallacy. [url]http://www.mediamonitors.net/elmasry31.html[/url] [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kabir-helminski/does-the-quran-really-adv_b_722114.html[/url] or: read it yourself [url]http://lmgtfy.com/?q=online+qur%27an[/url]

[QUOTE=bearwolf;40674258]You can tell when your the good guys when you hide your faces as you kill.[/QUOTE] Oh ya, the good guys cluster bombing their own towns packed full of citizens sometimes before they could flee. Both sides are terrible, and the extremist groups within the rebel factions make the people that aren't horrible look bad.

[QUOTE=zacht_180;40694890]There's your first problem. There's really no arguing about it, when you Google search, "examples of the koran being violent" you're going to get biased information that is totally wrong. What people do is just cut out snippets of verses in the Qur'an and leave out important details. If you read the Qur'an, yes an actual Qur'an, you'd understand that it [i]only[/i] sanctions defensive war and the taking of a life may only be done under just cause. The [i]only[/i] reason there are Muslims out there killing infidels and waging war is because the bad guys intentionally (mis)use the Qur'an to enhance their power-hungry political agenda; to get these people to feel like they need to strap a bomb to their chest, and they'll do it. The Qur'an doesn't advocate violence, war, murder, and genocide. It doesn't tell Islam to blow shit up and screw up an entire section of the world. Sorry but it just doesn't and saying it does is pure fallacy. [url]http://www.mediamonitors.net/elmasry31.html[/url] [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kabir-helminski/does-the-quran-really-adv_b_722114.html[/url] or: read it yourself [url]http://lmgtfy.com/?q=online+qur%27an[/url][/QUOTE] when I look for examples I double check all of them and read them from multiple sources. a couple of them might have been partial or missing pieces, but not all of them. if every single quote I provided is missing a piece that would contradict my use of it then feel free to show me but I strongly doubt that's the case. and even if it is and you disprove literally everything I listed, that doesn't change the fact that islam's general goal is to secure the world for ''allah''. it is something that is demanded of muslims. and you will not find a muslim anywhere who doesn't think the whole world should be islamic. some of them would rather no one get hurt in the process, but that's impossible. to fulfill the goal of their religion, violence on a massive scale would have to occur everywhere.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;40698332]when I look for examples I double check all of them and read them from multiple sources. a couple of them might have been partial or missing pieces, but not all of them. if every single quote I provided is missing a piece that would contradict my use of it then feel free to show me but I strongly doubt that's the case. and even if it is and you disprove literally everything I listed, that doesn't change the fact that islam's general goal is to secure the world for ''allah''. it is something that is demanded of muslims. [B]and you will not find a muslim anywhere who doesn't think the whole world should be islamic.[/B] some of them would rather no one get hurt in the process, but that's impossible. to fulfill the goal of their religion, violence on a massive scale would have to occur everywhere.[/QUOTE] Ahahahaha yeah right ok. You're so delusional that it hurts.

[QUOTE=Taggart;40698392]Ahahahaha yeah right ok. You're so delusional that it hurts.[/QUOTE] ahahahahaha anime picture. ahahahaha delusional. ahahahahaah. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Threadshitting and off-topic. Again" - Megafan))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;40699963]ahahahahaha anime picture. ahahahaha delusional. ahahahahaah.[/QUOTE] ahahaha oh wow mad zinger! come back when you have an actual arguement

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;40698332]and you will not find a muslim anywhere who doesn't think the whole world should be islamic[/QUOTE] i'm crying right now [editline]19th May 2013[/editline] out of interest do you have any idea how horribly violent the bible is

[QUOTE=Taggart;40699991]ahahaha oh wow mad zinger! come back when you have an actual arguement[/QUOTE] you were trying to make an actual argument? well now it's just sad. [editline]19th May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;40700021]i'm crying right now [editline]19th May 2013[/editline] out of interest do you have any idea how horribly violent the bible is[/QUOTE] oh wow. have you even been reading what I've been saying? I must have contrasted islam with christianity about 5 times now.

Thats it? only 11?

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;40700657] oh wow. have you even been reading what I've been saying? I must have contrasted islam with christianity about 5 times now.[/QUOTE] the only times you've mentioned christianity in comparison to islam is to imply that islam is worse than christianity (it's not) and that "most self-proclaimed christians aren't christians" which you seem to think is okay (although you think that a 'self-proclaimed' muslim who is peaceful is just living in denial of your fictitious evil version of the quran and deserves death as much as any member of al qaeda) [editline]19th May 2013[/editline] you say you're against religion as a whole (i could understand being against organised religion but being 100% against all religion is just dumb) and yet you downplay everything that's not islam. you seem to just have a fantastical fear of islam for no real reason

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;40700757]the only times you've mentioned christianity in comparison to islam is to imply that islam is worse than christianity (it's not) and that "most self-proclaimed christians aren't christians" which you seem to think is okay (although you think that a 'self-proclaimed' muslim who is peaceful is just living in denial of your fictitious evil version of the quran and deserves death as much as any member of al qaeda) [editline]19th May 2013[/editline] you say you're against religion as a whole (i could understand being against organised religion but being 100% against all religion is just dumb) and yet you downplay everything that's not islam. you seem to just have a fantastical fear of islam for no real reason[/QUOTE] islam is the topic, and why islam differs from other religions is what I'm trying to prove. so obviously the focus is going to be how I see islam as being worse etc. I went back and looked and I guess I haven't touched upon christianity in this thread, I was thinking of a different thread [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1270041[/url] you can go and have a look if you're really interested in what I think of christianity and how I think it differs from islam. [editline]19th May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;40700757] you say you're against religion as a whole (i could understand being against organised religion but being 100% against all religion is just dumb) and yet you downplay everything that's not islam. you seem to just have a fantastical fear of islam for no real reason[/QUOTE] my problems with islam are completely separate from my problems with religion in general. organized religion is what I see as a problem. I really could not care less about people having personal religious beliefs that don't affect anyone else, but that's exceedingly rare.

you see you sound like a relatively normal person now [QUOTE=Bruhmis;40700919]I really could not care less about people having personal religious beliefs that don't affect anyone else, but that's exceedingly rare.[/QUOTE] but this just isn't true. i dunno what the area you live in in canada(?) is like but over here that's just not true

I remember one time my friend and his dad went to Syria. He told me it was great and there would be people selling bootleg media on the street. Awesome games that were relatively rare that they would sell for a buck. When he told me about Syria and all the cool things he'd done and seen there, I also wanted to go. That seems like a lifetime ago now.

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;40701090]you see you sound like a relatively normal person now but this just isn't true. i dunno what the area you live in in canada(?) is like but over here that's just not true[/QUOTE] that's because you live in the least religious country on the planet. and even still, you have muslims protesting in your streets demanding sharia law, several positions in your government reserved for christians etc. all the millions of christians in the U.S might not have any problem with homosexuals, but that wouldn't stop them from voting for somebody with the open intent to strip them of any and all rights they may have managed to obtain in their long, painful mission to be treated as people. just because ''he's a good christian''.