Islamist jailed for brutaly assaulting boy over embrace with girl in London street - Polidicks

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51480456]Bogus articles? Please. So this article was made up by the superfascist KKK nazi Hitlermedia called "The Guardian"? I think you need to stop this agenda of yours of dismissing articles showing the truth which you then find insulting as bogus articles.[/QUOTE] You're the one who omitted information from the article, not the Guardian, you're the one who changed the title. Stop deflecting and answer the question, stop running away whenever I call you out on your bullshit, why did you decide to ignore mentioning how the guy has a previous criminal history before converting?

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51480468]Cultural. You gonna tell me it is taboo in "Hinduic" societies as well? It varies in the Middle East. It is relevant to being conservative, not directly caused by religion, but correlates. And not a trait specific to Islam at all.[/QUOTE] We are pretty certain this guy isn't a hindu. He is an islamist, and his distaste for displays of public affection can be traced back to his islamic upbringing.

[QUOTE]But he is an islamist. And it was a brutal assault. Are you saying those are untrue? How many threads in SH got the exact same headline as the original article. It is not part of the quote you know.[/QUOTE] It's still blatant editorialising. And don't even dare accuse me of saying they were untrue. [QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;51480462]Regardless of the justification of his behavior, it's not an action that is compatible with our western culture and values[/QUOTE] I don't see how that's relevant considering (as far as I am aware?) he was born in Britain. I'm confused as to what you mean. [editline]5th December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=St33m;51480492]We are pretty certain this guy isn't a hindu. He is an islamist, and his distaste for displays of public affection can be traced back to [B]his islamic upbringing[/B].[/QUOTE] He was a convert. He wasn't brought up Muslim. He only converted ten years ago. Way after he was already arrested for violent crimes.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51480493]He was a convert. He wasn't brought up Muslim. He only converted ten years ago. Way after he was already arrested for violent crimes.[/QUOTE] Islamic influence then, that only makes the case against islam all the more damning.

[QUOTE=St33m;51480503]Islamic influence then, that only makes the case against islam all the more damning.[/QUOTE] No it doesn't. He was already extremely violent BEFORE he became Muslim. If anything, it proves that it's specific people, not the religion or it's practisioners on a whole, that's the problem.

Spreading of radical/hyper-conservative religion == mental health crisis

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51480456]I think you need to stop this agenda of yours of dismissing articles showing the truth which you then find insulting as bogus articles.[/QUOTE] And what is that "truth?" You've found an example of a guy with a history of unhinged, violent behavior that extends well beyond his recent conversion to Islam, and seem to be pushing "the truth" that it was somehow the religion itself that turned him into such a violent guy. You're being incredibly irrational.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51480512]No it doesn't. He was already extremely violent BEFORE he became Muslim.[/QUOTE] And the islamists were right there to welcome a violent criminal with open arms.

It's not because of the religion, its because of socio-economic and pyschological contexts. Let's not pretend 1.6 billion Muslims are all potentially going to walk up to someone in the street and hit them for public displays of affection. Secondly, there are good reasons that explain the nature of taboos in most of the Muslim-dominated world, don't reduce it down to correlation=causation garbage. Take this and go figure : it took 1400~ years between Galen writing his Theory of Opposites and Vesallius dissecting humans for medical science to be updated and fix basic errors relating to human anatomy. Certain edgy atheists might blame Christianity because the Church was opposed to any opposing theories to that of Galen's. Did the Christian Church hinder this progress because they were Christian and theist (easy, moronic answer) or because they were a massive establishment that covered mainland Europe and had significant political power? Why don't you look at socio-economic contexts of dark ages and medieval Europe? Consider the fact that it was abhorrent to cut open human bodies, even in Galen's day? etc In this case, the guy follows Islamist ideology and used to know a prominent Islamist demagogue. If you simplify it down to "it happened because he's a Muslim" and ignore how Islamism came about and how people get sucked into it then you can't expect people to think you're being rational

[QUOTE=Big Bang;51480490]You're the one who omitted information from the article, not the Guardian, you're the one who changed the title. Stop deflecting and answer the question, stop running away whenever I call you out on your bullshit, why did you decide to ignore mentioning how the guy has a previous criminal history before converting?[/QUOTE] I cannot post the whole article. In the forum rules [i]"Your quote snippet should not go beyond a summary of the story.[/i] I did not omit anything, it is all there if you actually took time to click the link and read the article. And you are not the one to speak, you have changed the title of articles you have posted and not quoting it properly. [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1538959[/url] Or is that ok? Since it is not about a subject you somehow feel offended by in some way? [i]Michael Coe, a Muslim convert, has a long record of violent offences, starting when he was 16, including assaults, burglary, robbery and violent disorder.[/i] I don't see what is wrong with this. [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51480516]And what is that "truth?" You've found an example of a guy with a history of unhinged, violent behavior that extends well beyond his recent conversion to Islam, and seem to be pushing "the truth" that it was somehow the religion itself that turned him into such a violent guy. You're being incredibly irrational.[/QUOTE] I never stated anything like that and you know it. Don't put words in my mouth. The truth was that an islamist beat down a boy for embracing a girl, that is what happened even if you don't want to believe it.

[QUOTE=St33m;51480521]And the islamists were right there to welcome a violent criminal with open arms.[/QUOTE] How is that in any way relevant to what we've been discussing? EDIT: first you said he was violent because of his Islamist upbringing. Then you countered my point with the Islamist upbringing. Now you're saying they were right there to welcome him with open arms. Stop moving the goalposts.

[QUOTE=St33m;51480503]Islamic influence then, that only makes the case against islam all the more damning.[/QUOTE] In what possible sense? He was violent and unhinged long before he became a radicalized Muslim. The person credited with that radicalization, Anjem Choudary, likely targeted him [B]specifically because[/B] he was already a highly disturbed person. That makes the process of dialing somebody in to radicalized ideology much more easy.

[QUOTE=St33m;51480521]And the islamists were right there to welcome a violent criminal with open arms.[/QUOTE] He got converted in prison by an Al-qaeda supporter, lol. That wasn't the local mosque turning him into a radical. It's absurd to think that it's every Muslim's fault that some excuse their insanity with religion.

[QUOTE=St33m;51480521]And the islamists were right there to welcome a violent criminal with open arms.[/QUOTE] Your use of "islamists" as some sort of monolithic entity that welcomed this guy and told him to enact on his violent urges in the name of islam tells us all about what sort of agenda you're trying to push here.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51480456] I think you need to stop this agenda of yours of dismissing articles showing the truth which you then find insulting as bogus articles.[/QUOTE] No offense, but when you go around and saying "Im showing the truth" Sounds more like a conspiracy nut who is trying to shove his/her agenda into everyone else.

[QUOTE=Big Bang;51480530]He got converted in prison by an Al-qaeda supporter, lol. That wasn't the local mosque turning him into a radical. It's absurd to think that it's every Muslim's fault that some excuse their insanity with religion.[/QUOTE] He couldn't excuse his insanity with the religion if the religion didn't have a nice cozy basis for violent behavior written right into it's foundation by a brutal, conquering, pedophile warlord. He couldn't do it if he believed religiously in the tenant of Ahimsa for instance. Which promotes non-violence between all people and animals. Of-course he was drawn to Islam because fucking frankly- There he will find plenty of people like him.

No wonder 2016 has been annoying. Blatant ignorant people are taking over.

[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;51480546]No offense, but when you go around and saying "Im showing the truth" Sounds more like a conspiracy nut who is trying to shove his/her agenda into everyone else.[/QUOTE] [i]"He pulled over to confront the pair, demanding to know whether they were Muslims, before calling the boy’s girlfriend a “whore. He grabbed the boy by the throat and threw him to the ground before kicking his head as he lay there, leaving him unconscious and bleeding from two head injuries. "[/i] So this didn't happen? [QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;51480555]No wonder 2016 has been annoying. Blatant ignorant people are taking over.[/QUOTE] It is very sad when people with a differing opinion are not agreeing. Hopefully a lot of people can find their safe-spaces in their own blind folly.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51480523]I cannot post the whole article. In the forum rules [i]"Your quote snippet should not go beyond a summary of the story.[/i] I did not omit anything, it is all there if you actually took time to click the link and read the article. And you are not the one to speak, you have changed the title of articles you have posted and not quoting it properly. [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1538959[/url] Or is that ok? Since it is not about a subject you somehow feel offended by in some way? [i]Michael Coe, a Muslim convert, has a long record of violent offences, starting when he was 16, including assaults, burglary, robbery and violent disorder.[/i] I don't see what is wrong with this.[/QUOTE] You didn't answer the question at all. You omitted paragraph 4, and I quote, "The 35-year-old had been radicalised in prison by a convicted al-Qaida terrorist, Dhiren Barot, in 2007 while serving an eight-year term for firing a shotgun at police during an arrest.", to instead include paragraph 15. If you were trying to do a snippet of the article, you had 12 paragraphs you could have chosen but you ignored all of them to include one, that without context, makes it look like the guy became violent [I]because[/I] he was converted. What I did, is I paraphrased "Venezuela National Assembly: 'Government staged coup'" into "Venezuelan parliament declares that Maduro has carried out a coup d'etat.". The meaning is exactly the same, no information was added or omitted other than how Maduro, being the head of government of Venezuela, is synonymous with "the Government". It's also pretty pathetic that you're looking through my post history in an attempt to justify your actions. [QUOTE=St33m;51480548]He couldn't excuse his insanity with the religion if the religion didn't have a nice cozy basis for violent behavior written right into it's foundation by a brutal, conquering, pedophile warlord. He couldn't do it if he believed religiously in the tenant of Ahimsa for instance. Which promotes non-violence between all people and animals. Of-course he was drawn to Islam because fucking frankly- There he will find plenty of people like him.[/QUOTE] You're as much of a radical as this guy is if you really think Islam forces people to become violent.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51480557][i]"He pulled over to confront the pair, demanding to know whether they were Muslims, before calling the boy’s girlfriend a “whore. He grabbed the boy by the throat and threw him to the ground before kicking his head as he lay there, leaving him unconscious and bleeding from two head injuries. "[/i] So this didn't happen?[/QUOTE] What's your proposed solution to stop all these events then.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51480523]I cannot post the whole article. In the forum rules [i]"Your quote snippet should not go beyond a summary of the story.[/i] I did not omit anything, it is all there if you actually took time to click the link and read the article. And you are not the one to speak, you have changed the title of articles you have posted and not quoting it properly. [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1538959[/url] Or is that ok? Since it is not about a subject you somehow feel offended by in some way? [i]Michael Coe, a Muslim convert, has a long record of violent offences, starting when he was 16, including assaults, burglary, robbery and violent disorder.[/i] I don't see what is wrong with this. I never stated anything like that and you know it. Don't put words in my mouth. The truth was that an islamist beat down a boy for embracing a girl, that is what happened even if you don't want to believe it.[/QUOTE] The truth is that a fucking nut who happened to be islamist attacked a young couple. If this person wasn't islamist, i bet you wouldn't even bother to make a thread about it. Or if you did, you wouldn't of made the title blatantly saying "Islamist attacked young couple".

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51480523]I never stated anything like that and you know it. Don't put words in my mouth. The truth was that an islamist beat down a boy for embracing a girl, that is what happened even if you don't want to believe it.[/QUOTE] That seems to be [I]exactly[/I] what you have been arguing, however, as evidenced by your baseless anecdotes of Islam turning otherwise completely normal people into "monsters:" [QUOTE=!LORD M!;51480150]I understand what you are saying. But there are also many instances where good people have been turned into monsters by their religion because they feel they are doing the right thing. Religion really is the key to most of the worst atrocities in history. For their gods sake ISIS are leaving bombs in teddy bears so they can blow up children and thereby allowing them to reach paradise instead of going to hell when rescued by the opposing forces.[/QUOTE] Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding the point you're trying to make here, but how am I not to interpret your arguments in this thread as blaming the religious group as a whole rather the man himself and the extremist agents who helped convert him? Furthermore, I'm not in any way denying that an Islamist beat up a boy. I'm simply arguing that the man's past behavior informs his current behavior more reliably than his relatively recent religious conversion, which is a pretty sensible point in my opinion.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51480557][i]"He pulled over to confront the pair, demanding to know whether they were Muslims, before calling the boy’s girlfriend a “whore. He grabbed the boy by the throat and threw him to the ground before kicking his head as he lay there, leaving him unconscious and bleeding from two head injuries. "[/i] So this didn't happen?[/QUOTE] I know it happened. Im talking on how annoyingly your trying to shove your fedora wearing "Muslims are BAD" agenda into this.

[QUOTE=plunger435;51480565]What's your proposed solution to stop all these events then.[/QUOTE] Politicians that listens to the people.

[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;51480577]I know it happened. Im talking on how annoyingly your trying to shove your fedora wearing "Muslims are BAD" agenda into this.[/QUOTE] Drop the fedora shit. Argue him on the merits of his position, without insulting him personally, or you will be banned. This is your only warning.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51480576]That seems to be [I]exactly[/I] what you have been arguing, however, as evidenced by your baseless anecdotes of Islam turning otherwise completely normal people into "monsters:" Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding the point you're trying to make here, but how am I not to interpret your arguments in this thread as blaming the religious group as a whole rather the man himself and the extremist agents who helped convert him? Furthermore, I'm not in any way denying that an Islamist beat up a boy. I'm simply arguing that the man's past behavior informs his current behavior, which is a pretty sensible point in my opinion.[/QUOTE] I wasn't blaiming a whole group. Where in those sentences did I state "YES ALL MUSLIMS ARE LIKE THIS". I mention religion, thereby I wasn't stating a specific religion - thereby mentioning religion as a whole. I think you are reading what you want to read. His past behaviours have been noted already in the main quote and it also mentions he is a convert. [QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;51480577]I know it happened. Im talking on how annoyingly your trying to shove your fedora wearing "Muslims are BAD" agenda into this.[/QUOTE] You know how bad it is to use "fedora" as an argumentative point? It's like as if I would state "are you twelve or what", it is not productive. And also, you are reading what you want to read, nowhere did I mention all muslims are bad.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51480557][i]"He pulled over to confront the pair, demanding to know whether they were Muslims, before calling the boy’s girlfriend a “whore. He grabbed the boy by the throat and threw him to the ground before kicking his head as he lay there, leaving him unconscious and bleeding from two head injuries. "[/i] So this didn't happen?[/QUOTE] It did happen, but the point is that you're ignoring and editing out context to suit your own personal agenda. You're grossly editorializing the article, which is, if I recall correctly, something you've criticized outlets for in the past. [QUOTE]It is very sad when people with a differing opinion are not agreeing. Hopefully a lot of people can find their safe-spaces in their own blind folly.[/QUOTE] Is it so hard to make a single post without being so patronizing or condescending?

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51480593]I wasn't blaiming a whole group. Where in those sentences did I state "YES ALL MUSLIMS ARE LIKE THIS". I mention religion, thereby I wasn't stating a specific religion - thereby mentioning religion as a whole. I think you are reading what you want to read. His past behaviours have been noted already in the main quote and it also mentions he is a convert. You know how bad it is to use "fedora" as an argumentative point? It's like as if I would state "are you twelve or what", it is not productive. And also, you are reading what you want to read, nowhere did I mention all muslims are bad.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=!LORD M!;51480593]That sounds very apologetic you know after reading "He pulled over to confront the pair, demanding to know whether they were Muslims, before calling the boy’s girlfriend a “whore”." After I have read how couples holding hands are treated in majority muslim countries like Morocco, I feel it got everything to do with their religion.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51480580]Drop the fedora shit. Argue him on the merits of his position, without insulting him personally, or you will be banned. This is your only warning.[/QUOTE] to be fair BDA, when Lord M comes at people who disagree his position with "hope you find you [I][B]safe space[/B][/I] is your ignorance :^))))" he's being just as much of a tool.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;51480594]It did happen, but the point is that you're ignoring and editing out context to suit your own personal agenda. You're grossly editorializing the article, which is, if I recall correctly, something you've criticized outlets for in the past. Is it so hard to make a single post without being so patronizing or condescending?[/QUOTE] I mentioned it in this article discussion. That is all I remember I ever done it. But please, look up my post history and see if I did. I simply took the parts I thought was important, I can't include all of the article. It is like damned if you do damned if you don't with articles showing members of X group in a bad light. Just read the goddamn article and form an opinion, is it that hard. I almost get the feeling that I will be yelled out if I don't spoonfeed the article in the exact right way. Again, read the article and form an opinion. [QUOTE=Timebomb575;51480612]to be fair BDA, when Lord M comes at people who disagree his position with "hope you find you [I][B]safe space[/B][/I] is your ignorance :^))))" he's being just as much of a tool.[/QUOTE] [quote=Deathtrooper2 ]No wonder 2016 has been annoying. Blatant ignorant people are taking over.[/quote] Taken out of context as if I had answered like that against one of da space cores well written arguments. You can't really answer seriously to this.