Islamist jailed for brutaly assaulting boy over embrace with girl in London street - Polidicks

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51480593] You know how bad it is to use "fedora" as an argumentative point? It's like as if I would state "are you twelve or what", it is not productive. And also, you are reading what you want to read, nowhere did I mention all muslims are bad.[/QUOTE] Oh please! You're doing the exact same thing by throwing around liberal stereotypes by making fun of safe spaces. Get over yourself dude, that's hypocritical as hell.

[QUOTE=Timebomb575;51480628]Oh please! You're doing the exact same thing by throwing around liberal stereotypes by making fun of safe spaces. Get over yourself dude, that's hypocritical as hell.[/QUOTE] Again, look at the context.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51480578]Politicians that listens to the people.[/QUOTE] That's a non-answer, what exactly do you want the politicians to do about this?

It's sad that unhinged people are drawn to radical Islam, unfortunately radical Islam exists and as long as it does this kind of behaviour will continue.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51480614]I mentioned it in this article discussion. That is all I remember I ever done it. I simply took the parts I thought was important, I can't include all of the article. It is like damned if you do damned if you don't with articles showing members of X group in a bad light. Just read the goddamn article and form an opinion, is it that hard. I almost get the feeling that I will be yelled out if I don't spoonfeed the article in the exact right way. Again, read the article and form an opinion.[/QUOTE] You removed key information to change the context of the article snippet. You changed the title to further push this point you're trying to make. What other justification do you have other than that you're pushing an agenda? If this really wasn't what you were trying to do, then change the quote, and change the title.

[QUOTE=plunger435;51480639]That's a non-answer, what exactly do you want the politicians to do about this?[/QUOTE] Politicians that listens to experts on the area and takes their advice. [QUOTE=Big Bang;51480645]You removed key information to change the context of the article snippet. You changed the title to further push this point you're trying to make. What other justification do you have other than that you're pushing an agenda? If this really wasn't what you were trying to do, then change the quote, and change the title.[/QUOTE] Again, I already explained it. See previous posts.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51480614]I mentioned it in this article discussion. That is all I remember I ever done it. I simply took the parts I thought was important, I can't include all of the article. It is like damned if you do damned if you don't with articles showing members of X group in a bad light. Just read the goddamn article and form an opinion, is it that hard. I almost get the feeling that I will be yelled out if I don't spoonfeed the article in the exact right way. Again, read the article and form an opinion. [/QUOTE] Thats ignoring the fact that you blatantly changed the "Man" in the article title to "Islamist". There was literally no reason to do that other than to give off the idea that him being a muslim was cental to this story. Which it wasnt. It's sensationalist. I understand that you cant include the entire article, but you're only including the parts that push your narrative.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51480648]Politicians that listens to experts on the area and takes their advice.[/QUOTE] You're dodging the question, what does that mean?

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51480648] Again, I already explained it. See previous posts.[/QUOTE] No, you deflected the question with some bogus answer, I probed again and you just decided to ignore my post.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;51480649]Thats discounting the fact that you blatantly changed the "Man" in the article title to "Islamist". There was literally no reason to do that other than to give off the idea that him being a muslim was cental to this story. Which it wasnt. It's sensationalist. I understand that you cant include the entire article, but you're only including the parts that push your narrative.[/QUOTE] Islamists are muslims yes, but not all muslims are islamists and I think most rational people know that. He was an islamist, therefore relevant. [QUOTE=Big Bang;51480658]No, you deflected the question with some bogus answer, I probed again and you just decided to ignore my post.[/QUOTE] [quote]I simply took the parts I thought was important, I can't include all of the article. It is like damned if you do damned if you don't with articles showing members of X group in a bad light. Just read the goddamn article and form an opinion, is it that hard. I almost get the feeling that I will be yelled out if I don't spoonfeed the article in the exact right way. Again, read the article and form an opinion.[/quote] Maybe I should start posting the whole articles leaving out the last comment.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51480648]Politicians that listens to experts on the area and takes their advice. .[/QUOTE] This is vague at best. What "experts"? Not all "experts" in contentious and very important to domestic policy fields like economics agree. Could you give an example of a politician that you think makes a good politician under your standards?

Man, all i can say is that the further i am of muslims and islam in general, the better my quality of life is. And this is coming from someone who have traveled a lot. I don't believe in multiculturalism one fucking bit.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;51480666]This is vague at best. What "experts"? Not all "experts" in contentious and very important to domestic policy fields like economics agree. Could you give an example of a politician that you think makes a good politician under your standards?[/QUOTE] I don't know what you are hounding me for, but I am obviously not an expert nobel prize winner in these matters and neither are any of you. We should leave it to the ones that hopefully can fix this. That is what I am saying.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51480659]I simply took the parts I thought was important, I can't include all of the article. It is like damned if you do damned if you don't with articles showing members of X group in a bad light. Just read the goddamn article and form an opinion, is it that hard. I almost get the feeling that I will be yelled out if I don't spoonfeed the article in the exact right way. Again, read the article and form an opinion.[/QUOTE] Allow me to quote myself as well. [QUOTE=Big Bang;51480563]You didn't answer the question at all. You omitted paragraph 4, and I quote, "The 35-year-old had been radicalised in prison by a convicted al-Qaida terrorist, Dhiren Barot, in 2007 while serving an eight-year term for firing a shotgun at police during an arrest.", to instead include paragraph 15. If you were trying to do a snippet of the article, you had 12 paragraphs you could have chosen but you ignored all of them to include one, that without context, makes it look like the guy became violent [I]because[/I] he was converted. What I did, is I paraphrased "Venezuela National Assembly: 'Government staged coup'" into "Venezuelan parliament declares that Maduro has carried out a coup d'etat.". The meaning is exactly the same, no information was added or omitted other than how Maduro, being the head of government of Venezuela, is synonymous with "the Government". It's also pretty pathetic that you're looking through my post history in an attempt to justify your actions.[/quote] The "length" excuse is complete bullshit considering it's ONE paragraph you omitted.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51480593]I wasn't blaiming a whole group. Where in those sentences did I state "YES ALL MUSLIMS ARE LIKE THIS". I mention religion, thereby I wasn't stating a specific religion - thereby mentioning religion as a whole. I think you are reading what you want to read. His past behaviours have been noted already in the main quote and it also mentions he is a convert. You know how bad it is to use "fedora" as an argumentative point? It's like as if I would state "are you twelve or what", it is not productive. And also, you are reading what you want to read, nowhere did I mention all muslims are bad.[/QUOTE] Well then, I apologize for the leap of judgment.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51480679]I don't know what you are hounding me for, but I am obviously not an expert nobel prize winner in these matters and neither are any of you. We should leave it to the ones that hopefully can fix this. That is what I am saying.[/QUOTE] You keep pushing this agenda that we need to do something about Muslims but you don't have anything to actually say beyond "Politicians listen to people." "Politicians listen to experts." what are these people and experts saying that you seem to be the only one aware of?

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51480648]Politicians that listens to experts on the area and takes their advice. Again, I already explained it. See previous posts.[/QUOTE] If politicians were to listen to the actual experts, they wouldn't be trying to antagonize groups, religions, or people. They would Compromise so people would get along.

[QUOTE=Big Bang;51480681]Allow me to quote myself as well. The "length" excuse is complete bullshit considering it's ONE paragraph you omitted.[/QUOTE] Why are you not angry over the rest of the paragraphs following that one - or the one before that one - which I didn't include. [i]The married father of two was convicted in August of attacking the 16-year-old boy in April after he took exception to him cuddling his teenage girlfriend in Newham, east London.[/i] This is enough I thought and then added on the last assault part since it was basically what the article was about. How was the meaning I wrote not exactly the same and in context with the article. Please explain. [QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;51480701]If politicians were to listen to the actual experts, they wouldn't be trying to antagonize groups, religions, or people. They would Compromise so people would get along.[/QUOTE] Then vote in new politicians that do. [QUOTE=plunger435;51480699]You keep pushing this agenda that we need to do something about Muslims but you don't have anything to actually say beyond "Politicians listen to people." "Politicians listen to experts." what are these people and experts saying that you seem to be the only one aware of?[/QUOTE] Then answers I given are the solutions to the problems. Would you not want politicians that could fix this? How would you solve the issue? While we are talking about personal global issue solving experiences.

Ship him off to Syria to see how good he has it. He won't see anyone kissing or hugging over there.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51480716]Then vote in new politicians that do.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=plunger435;51480699]You keep pushing this agenda that we need to do something about Muslims but you don't have anything to actually say beyond "Politicians listen to people." "Politicians listen to experts." what are these people and experts saying that you seem to be the only one aware of?[/QUOTE] Still waiting on a reply here.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51480716]Why are you not angry over the rest of the paragraphs following that one - or the one before that one - which I didn't include. [i]The married father of two was convicted in August of attacking the 16-year-old boy in April after he took exception to him cuddling his teenage girlfriend in Newham, east London.[/i] This is enough I thought and then added on the last assault part since it was basically what the article was about. How was the meaning I wrote not exactly the same and in context with the article. Please explain. Then vote in new politicians that do.[/QUOTE] I did, his name was bernie sanders.

I'm glad this specific fucker is in jail, but jfc can they stop perpetuating the "Muslims cause violence" stereotype already? I can't imagine they're making nonviolent Muslims' lives any easier

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51480716] Then vote in new politicians that do. Then answers I given are the solutions to the problems. Would you not want politicians that could fix this?[/QUOTE] I'll ask you a question. Do you think that Trump fulfills these qualities? Is he a "good politician" by your standards? What about Obama, Clinton? Sanders?

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51480716]Why are you not angry over the rest of the paragraphs following that one - or the one before that one - which I didn't include. [i]The married father of two was convicted in August of attacking the 16-year-old boy in April after he took exception to him cuddling his teenage girlfriend in Newham, east London.[/i] This is enough I thought and then added on the last assault part since it was basically what the article was about. How was the meaning I wrote not exactly the same and in context with the article. Please explain.[/QUOTE] I don't know how many times I have to tell you the same thing until you understand, but I will continue to, because I want to hold you accountable for the propagandist bullshit you're trying to pull. You omitted, again, this quote: "The 35-year-old had been radicalised in prison by a convicted al-Qaida terrorist, Dhiren Barot, in 2007 while serving an eight-year term for firing a shotgun at police during an arrest.". This, plus this quote: "Michael Coe, a Muslim convert, has a long record of violent offences, starting when he was 16, including assaults, burglary, robbery and violent disorder.", shows the man has a history of violence not related to Islam. This just so happens to defuse the main message you're trying to get across, which is that he did this because he's a Muslim.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51480716]Then answers I given are the solutions to the problems. Would you not want politicians that could fix this? How would you solve the issue? While we are talking about personal global issue solving experiences.[/QUOTE] You keep posting about how there is a global issue with Muslims, and you keep saying the solution is just hire better politicians. That's not a solution, that's a deflection, what do you want these politicians and experts to do? At this point it seems like you're just doing this to shitpost.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;51480737]I'll ask you a question. Do you think that Trump fulfills these qualities? Is he a "good politician" by your standards? What about Obama, Clinton? Sanders?[/QUOTE] So you instantly think I voted for Trump? That I would have voted for Trump? Wow you are shallow. This is the problem. There are only RIGHT or LEFT and NO inbetween or picking from both. I don't have the same views as any of you right or lefters do, I pick and choose what I feel is best for me and my country. And that is what you others should do too instead of blindly following RIGHT or LEFT and not daaring glancing even at some parts of the opposing table that you might find good or sensible. No, it must be HARDLINING it all the way. [QUOTE=plunger435;51480758]You keep posting about how there is a global issue with Muslims, and you keep saying the solution is just hire better politicians. That's not a solution, that's a deflection, what do you want these politicians and experts to do? At this point it seems like you're just doing this to shitpost.[/QUOTE] Quote me on where I wrote muslims are a global issue. Show me. How is better politicians not a solution, the ones we got now obviously are not good enough. You are not the right person to accuse others for shitposting while constantly putting words in my mouth that I never said.

[QUOTE=gk99;51480728]I'm glad this specific fucker is in jail, but jfc can they stop perpetuating the "Muslims cause violence" stereotype already? I can't imagine they're making nonviolent Muslims' lives any easier[/QUOTE] Well.. It's kinda hard when it keeps happening, and ~usually~ pertains to that specific religion. People deserve the right to know. It's just like the media trying to block out; "The suspect was a -African American- male, or even black male" because people kept on getting upset. It just leads to further stereotypes of what people expect; "Oh there was a stabbing over in Europe somewhere? Hmm.. I wonder" and then they dig deeper, and it's typically their own stereotypical findings, found true. I'm not saying it's a good thing, because I'm just as tired of hearing about Muslims killing, raping, and beating people in the news.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51480759]So you instantly think I voted for Trump? That I would have voted for Trump? Wow you are shallow. This is the problem. There are only RIGHT or LEFT and NO inbetween or picking from both. I don't have the same views as any of you right or lefters do, I pick and choose what I feel is best for me and my country. And that is what you others should do too instead of blindly following RIGHT or LEFT and not daaring glancing even at some parts of the opposing table that you might find good or sensible. No, it must be HARDLINING it all the way.[/QUOTE] Holy hell dude, I literally asked a single question to gauge your opinion on MULTIPLE politicians. Why are you getting all accusatory and defensive? I asked the same question for Clinton and Sanders as well. How hard is it to just not dodge the questions I'm asking? I'm not out to get you here or to push any sort of "hardlining", I promise.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51480759]So you instantly think I voted for Trump? That I would have voted for Trump? Wow you are shallow. This is the problem. There are only RIGHT or LEFT and NO inbetween or picking from both. I don't have the same views as any of you right or lefters do, I pick and choose what I feel is best for me and my country. And that is what you others should do too instead of blindly following RIGHT or LEFT and not daaring glancing even at some parts of the opposing table that you might find good or sensible. No, it must be HARDLINING it all the way. Quote me on where I wrote muslims are a global issue. Show me. How is better politicians not a solution, the ones we got now obviously are not good enough. You are not the right person to accuse others for shitposting.[/QUOTE] pretty sure that people are ripping into you because your views on muslims are transparently terrible, not because you're right wing you don't somehow avoid criticism by saying "i pick and choose from the wings, i didn't get my view from being right wing", it just means that your shit views happen to be represented on the political spectrum