Islamist jailed for brutaly assaulting boy over embrace with girl in London street - Polidicks

There's so many muslim apologists here. Just because he was violent before does not mean it has nothing to do with his belief that public affection is not okay. It comes from certain islamic teachings. Would he have done this if he wasn't religious? Quite possible. Would he have picked a couple who showed public affection? A lot less likely. How can we solve the issue if we constantly deny half of the problem. And yes, same applies to violent christians too. They act on their feelings and beliefs, which come from their religion.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51480759][B]Quote me on where I wrote muslims are a global issue.[/B] Show me.[/quote] Here's thread titles posted by you: [QUOTE]Islamist jailed for brutaly assaulting boy over embrace with girl in London street[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]'Islamic State' reportedly training terrorists to enter Europe as asylum seekers[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]480 000 sex crimes against women in Sweden - in a year[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Crimes by foreigners in Denmark have doubled between 2009 and 2015[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]The New Country - Government-Backed Video Says Swedes Must Integrate With Migrants, Not The Reverse[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]France's premier warns of new attacks, 15 000 people on police radar[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Dalai Lama says 'too many' refugees in Europe - should only stay temporarily[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Copenhagen bars harassed by locals trying to enforce Sharia law[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Data from Iraq: the IS threat to Stockholm[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Islamists in Norway start vigilante group "Soldiers of Allah" which aim to mobilize against "Odin's Soldiers" and patrol streets wearing IS logos[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Resident of Calais, France, speaks of how the migrants terrorize the city, and goes unpunished by the law[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]New sex attacks in Cologne at Cologne Carnival 2016 - Police record 22 sexual assaults and 190 in custody so far[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]22-year old female employee at a Swedish asylum housing for unaccompanied refugee children stabbed to death[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]TaHarrush - Arabic rape game phenomenon arrived in Germany according to police[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Liberal Activists Upset Paris Terrorist Attacks Are Getting Attention, Not Mizzou Protests[/QUOTE] Saying you have an agenda would be putting it lightly. [QUOTE=!LORD M!;51480759]How is better politicians not a solution, the ones we got now obviously are not good enough. You are not the right person to accuse others for shitposting while constantly putting words in my mouth that I never said.[/QUOTE] How are the politicians not good enough? You're still dodging the question, which policies have these politicians not enacted that make them bad?

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51480793]There's so many muslim apologists here. Just because he was violent before does not mean it has nothing to do with his belief that public affection is not okay. It comes from certain islamic teachings. Would he have done this if he wasn't religious? Quite possible. Would he have picked a couple who showed public affection? A lot less likely. How can we solve the issue if we constantly deny half of the problem. And yes, same applies to violent christians too. They act on their feelings and beliefs, which come from their religion.[/QUOTE] The smarter question would be to ask, how come a guy who's been a regular offender since age 16, who's been in and out of jail for violent offenses, still nowhere close to being rehabilitated?

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51480793]There's so many muslim apologists here. Just because he was violent before does not mean it has nothing to do with his belief that public affection is not okay. It comes from certain islamic teachings. Would he have done this if he wasn't religious? Quite possible. Would he have picked a couple who showed public affection? A lot less likely. How can we solve the issue if we constantly deny half of the problem. And yes, same applies to violent christians too. They act on their feelings and beliefs, which come from their religion.[/QUOTE] "Muslim apologists..." I had to chuckle a bit at this. Everyday at college i sometimes see people who are muslim. Overall, none were violent, most were polite, and they kept to their own business. Im not being what you call a "Muslim apologist", im being a rational person who would like to know everything of what happened. Instead of just blaming one thing or one group.

People's attitudes here make me count my stars that I wasn't there to witness the Troubles. Because lord knows that I'd be getting called a "Irish Catholic apologist" or being tarred with the same brush as the IRA.

[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;51480821]"Muslim apologists..." I had to chuckle a bit at this. Everyday at college i sometimes see people who are muslim. Overall, none were violent, most were polite, and they kept to their own business. Im not being what you call a "Muslim apologist", im being a rational person who would like to know everything of what happened. Instead of just blaming one thing or one group.[/QUOTE] I'm not blaming it on one group, I just wish we'd look at all the issues rather than throwing some of them away simply because we feel like it's not okay to say or point out such things. I did not say all muslims are violent, I said the violent muslims' ideologies play a role in their crimes. Don't read stuff wrong on purpose to make yourself seem more right.

[QUOTE=Big Bang;51480755]I don't know how many times I have to tell you the same thing until you understand, but I will continue to, because I want to hold you accountable for the propagandist bullshit you're trying to pull. You omitted, again, this quote: "The 35-year-old had been radicalised in prison by a convicted al-Qaida terrorist, Dhiren Barot, in 2007 while serving an eight-year term for firing a shotgun at police during an arrest.". This, plus this quote: "Michael Coe, a Muslim convert, has a long record of violent offences, starting when he was 16, including assaults, burglary, robbery and violent disorder.", shows the man has a history of violence not related to Islam. This just so happens to defuse the main message you're trying to get across, which is that he did this because he's a Muslim.[/QUOTE] I already explained but you continuously ignores it. [QUOTE=Duck M.;51480774]Holy hell dude, I literally asked a single question to gauge your opinion on MULTIPLE politicians. Why are you getting all accusatory and defensive? I asked the same question for Clinton and Sanders as well. How hard is it to just not dodge the questions I'm asking? I'm not out to get you here or to push any sort of "hardlining", I promise.[/QUOTE] [quote]I'll ask you a question. Do you think that Trump fulfills these qualities? [b]Is he a "good politician" by your standards?[/b] What about Obama, Clinton? Sanders?[/quote] Maybe it is my english, but I felt that that part was quite accusational of me voting for Trump. If it wasn't then my bad. I feel Obama is too status quo and clinton would have been the same. Bernie Would have been the best choice for president since he really seem to care for people all over the world, which all other seem to lack. Trump is like a wildcard, you don't know if it will be good or bad. [QUOTE=Cloak Raider;51480775]pretty sure that people are ripping into you because your views on muslims are transparently terrible, not because you're right wing you don't somehow avoid criticism by saying "i pick and choose from the wings, i didn't get my view from being right wing", it just means that your shit views happen to be represented on the political spectrum[/QUOTE] I never said all muslims are bad, please quote me if you can, I have been criticizing their religion true and I don't like islamists or extremists but that goes for all religions and political ideologies. I don't care if you think I am trying to avoid criticism by saying that I pick what I like. I care about my country and my people first. How is that a shitty view, oh right, far-leftists don't like that.

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51480793]There's so many muslim apologists here. Just because he was violent before does not mean it has nothing to do with his belief that public affection is not okay. It comes from certain islamic teachings. Would he have done this if he wasn't religious? Quite possible. Would he have picked a couple who showed public affection? A lot less likely. How can we solve the issue if we constantly deny half of the problem. And yes, same applies to violent christians too. They act on their feelings and beliefs, which come from their religion.[/QUOTE] "Muslim apologist" forgive me for not painting literally over a billion people with the same brush. The issue has nothing to do with Islam, it has to do with radicalization and the marginalization of Muslims that leads to resentful attitudes like this.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51480843]I already explained but you continuously ignores it.[/QUOTE] No you didn't. You have not ONCE explicitly mentioned paragraph 4 of the article. Stop pretending it doesn't exist, stop pretending you are not hiding the facts. [QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51480830]People's attitudes here make me count my stars that I wasn't there to witness the Troubles. Because lord knows that I'd be getting called a "Irish Catholic apologist" or being tarred with the same brush as the IRA.[/QUOTE] You wanna know what the biggest threat to the world is nowadays? It's radicals spreading vitriol to create fear in the populace, drive them against each other. The whole point of terrorism, islamic or otherwise, is to create enemies, make their absurd claims become real by rallying people to violence with provocation. We must fight fear with facts, this sort of bullshit is dangerous in the exact same way that ISIS' bullshit is dangerous, because this spreading of ignorance only serves to create more and more radicals.

[QUOTE=Big Bang;51480816]The smarter question would be to ask, how come a guy who's been a regular offender since age 16, who's been in and out of jail for violent offenses, still nowhere close to being rehabilitated?[/QUOTE] some people just don't want to be rehabilitated

Every thread that mentions radical Islamic behaviour ends the same way with the same members using the same tactics until either someone gets banned or it goes off on a tangent.

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;51480952]some people just don't want to be rehabilitated[/QUOTE] Then they shouldn't get out. This man should have been kept on a very, very short leash for a long time now. [QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51480969]Every thread that mentions radical Islamic behaviour ends the same way with the same members using the same tactics until either someone gets banned or it goes off on a tangent.[/QUOTE] Don't expect different results if you use the same methods.

[QUOTE=plunger435;51480809]Here's thread titles posted by you: Saying you have an agenda would be putting it lightly. How are the politicians not good enough? You're still dodging the question, which policies have these politicians not enacted that make them bad?[/QUOTE] Are any of those articles false and have lied? This type of criminality and terror have not existed in Sweden and Europe before in this scale. Why shouldn't one be worried? Are you saying people should ignore this and pretend it never happens? And yeah sure it somehow seems to happen that the majority of people committing these are from majority muslim countries, it would be pushing an agenda denying it have anything to do with that and their view on women and non-believers. Cultural clashes? And still you failed. Nowhere did I say "all muslims are bad".

[QUOTE=Big Bang;51480970] Don't expect different results if you use the same methods.[/QUOTE] So don't mention radical islamists, it amazes me how this thread has turned into bashing people for mentioning this guys behaviour, rather than talking about his behaviour and how it is due to anything apart from him being a radical islamist. I agree that the majority of muslims are peaceful but this constant defence of those that are not achieves very little.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51480984]Are any of those articles false and have lied? [B]This type of criminality and terror have not existed in Sweden and Europe before[/B]. Why shouldn't one be worried? Are you saying people should ignore this and pretend it never happens? And yeah sure it somehow seems to happen that the majority of people committing these are from majority muslim countries, it would be pushing an agenda denying it have anything to do with that and their view on women and non-believers. Cultural clashes? And still you failed. Nowhere did I say "all muslims are bad".[/QUOTE] What? Rape, murder, theft, harassment, abuse, assault, etc all definitely existed in Sweden and Europe before the refugees came along, man.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51481026]What? Rape, murder, theft, harassment, abuse, assault, etc all definitely existed in Sweden and Europe before the refugees came along, man.[/QUOTE] Scale, I mean in scale. Thanks. But actually yes, Bombings like the Brussels airport bombing and the Bataclan massacre, didn't exist in Germany or Belgium before where there were religious motives behind it. And the mass sexual harassments of Cologne and other cities during new years eve didn't exist either.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51480984]Are any of those articles false and have lied? This type of criminality and terror have not existed in Sweden and Europe before. Why shouldn't one be worried? Are you saying people should ignore this and pretend it never happens? And yeah sure it somehow seems to happen that the majority of people committing these are from majority muslim countries, it would be pushing an agenda denying it have anything to do with that and their view on women and non-believers. Cultural clashes? And still you failed. Nowhere did I say "all muslims are bad".[/QUOTE] I see you're still not answering my principle question. And don't lie a few posts down. I never claimed you think all Muslims are bad. Just that you think they are a global problem, to which I provided articles posted by you across the globe about Muslims being a problem. I never even commented on the validity of the articles, but nice try in trying to deflect from the question you still refuse to answer. At this point I guess I'll just need to start guessing as to what your nebulous answers before could mean. Do you think we should just remove all Muslims from western counties? Do you have sources on what these supposed experts are saying that politicians are ignoring?

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51481028]Scale, I mean in scale.[/QUOTE] Do you have statistical evidence relating to changes in crime rate over the last X years to reinforce this claim? Individual news articles don't exactly prove a trend. [editline]/[/editline] [B]Just to expand on that a bit:[/B] We need to know rate of crimes being committed by refugees, which is to say how many refugees are actually committing crimes, and the rate of crime among native citizens to form a proper comparison here. We also need to know how that's changed in a given period. Have increases or decreases in crime rates among refugees since any changes in crime among native inhabitants? Also, if crime rates are higher among any demographics, [I]what kind[/I] of crimes are seeing the highest discrepancy? Are nonviolent crimes, like theft, where the highest discrepancy exists, or is it within more serious charges like rape? Are there sub-demographics among the refugees wherein further discrepancies are found; such as age, nation of origin, education, income, etc? Furthermore, [I]where[/I] are the crimes are occurring? Are they centered in specific geographic areas, and if so, how does the population of refugees fit into that scenario? For example: what is the ratio of refugees to "natives," do the refugees in this area hail from a specific nation of origin (and if so, what factors there could have contributed to their higher crime rates?), do refugees in these areas have access to the same systems and resources as refugees in other, lower-crime areas? Things like that. I'm not saying that there [B]isn't[/B] a concerning spike in crime, but I think you're seriously oversimplifying it in looking primarily at religion here, and I also think your approach to analyzing the situation is inherently flawed. A series of news articles about individual crimes doesn't really prove anything.

[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51480998]So don't mention radical islamists, it amazes me how this thread has turned into bashing people for mentioning this guys behaviour, rather than talking about his behaviour and how it is due to anything apart from him being a radical islamist. I agree that the majority of muslims are peaceful but this constant defence of those that are not achieves very little.[/QUOTE] Well, because it just so happens, that !LORD M! forgot to mention a very important thing in the article, that says that this guy was converted while in prison in 2007, and that he's been a violent felon basically his entire life way before he became islamic. To me it would seem that very little is achieved blaming Islam, or even his radical beliefs, for the actions of a man who's been known to be deranged. Particularly, turning this into a rally against Islam serves to mask a more pressing question, one which I've made before in this thread, why is this man out of jail? [QUOTE=plunger435;51481032]I see you're still not answering my principle question. [/QUOTE] He tends to do that. We're almost 4 pages in and he has still not talked once about paragraph 4.

[QUOTE=plunger435;51481032]I see you're still not answering my principle question. And don't lie a few posts down. I never claimed you think all Muslims are bad. Just that you think they are a global problem, to which I provided articles posted by you across the globe about Muslims being a problem. I never even commented on the validity of the articles, but nice try in trying to deflect from the question you still refuse to answer. At this point I guess I'll just need to start guessing as to what your nebulous answers before could mean. Do you think we should just remove all Muslims from western counties? Do you have sources on what these supposed experts are saying that politicians are ignoring?[/QUOTE] Where did I mention they're a global problem. Are they a problem in Japan, or the US or South America? They're a problem in Europe because we taken in wayyy too many then our systems can handle. That is the only way they can be a problem because they just happens to be muslims that we take in so many of. But mostly it is the crime problem that come in amongst them I am worried about, like the islamists and the ones who were criminals before getting here. I know you are trying to pin on me to say that all of them coming here are committing crimes and are terrorists. I would never say remove all muslims, which I know you are trying to make it look like I am which I haven't, just the ones that have arrived. They need to go back home after the war because we cannot sustain them or ourselves like this. I am ignoring it because you know you are just being silly doing a typical "oh how would you do that then? Then after that then what? Then what?" You know what I am talking about.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51481028]Scale, I mean in scale. Thanks. [B]But actually yes, Bombings like the Brussels airport bombing and the Bataclan massacre, didn't exist in Germany or Belgium before where there were religious motives behind it.[/B] And the mass sexual harassments of Cologne and other cities during new years eve didn't exist either.[/QUOTE] What about Oslo? That was both a bombing and a massacre, and the motivations behind that were political, not religious. Terrorism is not specific to Muslims, or any other religious group, or any other political, or any one demographic in particular.

[QUOTE=Big Bang;51481053]Well, because it just so happens, that !LORD M! forgot to mention a very important thing in the article, that says that this guy was converted while in prison in 2007, and that he's been a violent felon basically his entire life way before he became islamic. To me it would seem that very little is achieved blaming Islam, or even his radical beliefs, for the actions of a man who's been known to be deranged. [B]Particularly, turning this into a rally against Islam serves to mask a more pressing question, one which I've made before in this thread, why is this man out of jail?[/B] [/QUOTE] It reads more like a rally against someone who dared to suggest radical islam causes people to act violently.

[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51481160]It reads more like a rally against someone who dared to suggest radical islam causes people to act violently.[/QUOTE] Ironically enough the only paragraph that mentions that Michael Coe is a radical, happens to be paragraph 4, which !LORD M! refuses to acknowledge, or discuss in any way, because it disrupts his message.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51481131]Where did I mention they're a global problem. Are they a problem in Japan, or the US or South America? They're a problem in Europe because we taken in wayyy too many then our systems can handle. That is the only way they can be a problem because they just happens to be muslims that we take in so many of. But mostly it is the crime problem that come in amongst them I am worried about, like the islamists and the ones who were criminals before getting here. I know you are trying to pin on me to say that all of them coming here are committing crimes and are terrorists. I would never say remove all muslims, which I know you are trying to make it look like I am which I haven't, just the ones that have arrived. They need to go back home after the war because we cannot sustain them or ourselves like this. I am ignoring it because you know you are just being silly doing a typical "oh how would you do that then? Then after that then what? Then what?" You know what I am talking about.[/QUOTE] Actually I have no idea what you would say because you've spent the last four pages refusing to say anything on it. If you're going to spend the majority of your posts complaining about Muslims and refugees you must have some idea how to solve it beyond "Hire better politicians who listen to experts." That's not a solution, it's hardly even a reply.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51481028]Scale, I mean in scale. Thanks. [B]But actually yes, Bombings like the Brussels airport bombing and the Bataclan massacre, didn't exist in Germany or Belgium before where there were religious motives behind it.[/B] And the mass sexual harassments of Cologne and other cities during new years eve didn't exist either.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51481149]What about Oslo? That was both a bombing and a massacre, and the motivations behind that were political, not religious. Terrorism is not specific to Muslims, or any other religious group, or any other political, or any one demographic in particular.[/QUOTE] Or, since you specifically call out Germany, what about any of these German bombings and/or massacres? [quote][Feb 1970]Three terrorists attack El Al passengers in a bus at the Munich Airport with guns and grenades; one passenger is killed and 11 injured. All three terrorists were captured by airport police. The Action Organization for the Liberation of Palestine and the Popular Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine claim responsibility for the attack.[1][/quote] Secular political terrorism. [quote][May 1972]Three terrorists attack El Al passengers in a bus at the Munich Airport with guns and grenades; one passenger is killed and 11 injured. All three terrorists were captured by airport police. The Action Organization for the Liberation of Palestine and the Popular Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine claim responsibility for the attack.[/quote] Secular political terrorism. [quote][May 1972] Two large car bombs are detonated at the US Army Supreme European Command within the Campbell Barracks in Heidelberg, killing three. The dead are identified as Ronald A. Woodward, Charles L. Peck and Captain Clyde R. Bonner[2][3][4][5][/quote] Secular political terrorism. [quote][April 1977]Shortly after 9:00 CET, a motorcycle pulls up next to the car of Germany's chief federal prosecutor, Siegfried Buback, a stoplight on the outskirts of Karlsruhe in western Germany. The motorcycle passenger proceedes to fire at least 15 bullets into the car. Buback and his 30-year-old driver Wolfgang Göbel die at the scene; the head of the chauffeur service Georg Wurster, 33, succumbs to his injuries six days later.[10][/quote] Secular political terrorism. [quote][September 1977]A group of armed terrorists attack the chauffeured car carrying Hanns Martin Schleyer, then president of the German employers' association, in Cologne. Four masked RAF members sprayed bullets into the two vehicles, killing Marcisz and a police officer, Roland Pieler. The driver of the police escort vehicle, Reinhold Brändle, and a third police officer, Helmut Ulmer, were also killed. Schleyer was abducted and held prisoner in an apartment in a residential neighborhood near Cologne. He was forced to appeal to the West German government under Helmut Schmidt for several RAF members -- then imprisoned -- to be exchanged for him. On 18 October 1977, three of the imprisoned RAF members were found dead in their cells. In response, Schleyer was shot dead en route to Mulhouse, France, where his body was left in an Audi 100.[12][/quote] Secular political terrorism [quote][September 1980]A bomb detonates at the Oktoberfest fairgrounds in Theresienwiese, Munich, killing twelve and injuring over two hundred more. The dead include the alleged bomber Gundolf Kohler, a member of the neo-Nazi Military Sport Group Hoffman.[13][14][/quote] Secular political terrorism [quote][August 1983]A bomb detonates on the fifth floor of the six-story French consulate building in West Berlin, causing extensive damage on the floor below, in which the consulate offices and a visitor's lounge were situated. The 11:20am explosion collapsed sections of the front facade and attic and catapulted parts of interior walls to the street below, although all dead and injured had all been inside the building.[16][/quote] Secular political terrorism [quote][June 1985]A powerful bomb rips through an international departure lounge of the Frankfurt Airport, killing three people and wounding 42. The dead include a man and two children, and of the many injured, 18 were hospitalized. The explosive device, which the police said appeared to have been placed among seated passengers waiting for their flights, blasted a large hole in the cement floor of the airport terminal, then one of the busiest in Europe.[18][19][/quote] Secular political terrorism [quote][August 1985]A car bomb explodes outside the headquarters building at the Rhein-Main Air Base, where members of the United States Armed Forces are stationed, killing two Americans and wounding about 20 people. The dead were Airman Frank H. Scarton, 19, who was serving with the 437th Military Airlift Wing, and Becky Jo Bristol, the wife of Senior Airman John Bristol, who wss with the Medical Airlift Squadron at the base.[2][20][/quote] Secular political terrorism [quote][April 1986]A bomb placed on the dance-floor of the La Belle Discotheque, popular with United States military personnel, explodes, killing 3 and injuring hundreds more. Two of the dead were members of the United States military.[21][/quote] Secular political terrorism [quote][November 1992]A molotov cocktail is thrown into the house of a Turkish migrant family, destroying the property and killing three occupants. A neo-Nazi group is suspected.[25][/quote] Secular political terrorism [quote][April 1993]Four young German men (aged between 16 and 23) belonging to the far right skinhead scene, the oldest with known neo-Nazi ties, set fire to the house of a large Turkish family in Solingen in North Rhine-Westphalia. Three girls and two women died; fourteen other family members, including several children, were injured, some of them severely.[26][27][/quote] Secular political terrorism [quote]On 9 June 2004, a pipe bomb detonated in Cologne, Germany, in a business area popular with immigrants from Turkey. Twenty-two people were wounded, four sustained serious injuries. A barber's shop was completely destroyed, many shops and numerous parked cars were seriously damaged by the explosion and the nails added to the bomb for extra damage.[1] Authorities initially excluded the possibility of a terrorist attack.[2] According to Der Spiegel, a Neo-Nazi group calling themselves "Nationalsozialistischer Untergrund“ (National Socialist Underground) claimed responsibility in a DVD found among the ruins of a semi-detached house in Zwickau, Germany, that exploded on 4 November 2011.[3][4][/quote] Secular political terrorism You are simply wrong. Your agenda is clouding your perspective, and now you're simply making things up to support your argument. Your claim has no basis in reality. As for your claims that there were no group sexual assaults in Germany prior to the Muslim refugees, it is just as ridiculous. Unfortunately, that point is much more difficult to prove (or disprove) for either of us, given the lack of centralized sources exploring such events. But, come on man... Muslim refugees didn't invent this shit. You know better than that.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51480341]How can I omit facts when I link to the article and have "[i]Michael Coe, a Muslim convert, has a long record of violent offences, starting when he was 16, including assaults, burglary, robbery and violent disorder.[/i]" in the quote. The quote is EXACTLY like it was in the article I quoted and it is the second sentence. That is what quotes are for, it is not a rewriting. So instead you can accuse the newspaper for this agenda while you are throwing around your own agenda.[/QUOTE] Ok, you clearly included the quote. But as soon as someone brought it up, you accused them of being apologetic, because apparently a singular piece of info counts more than [I]the rest of the fucking sentence[/I] which details his [I]lifelong history of violence[/I]. You can't use the inclusion of the quote to paint yourself as neutral when you antagonize the very first person that uses it. If you can't see the hypocrisy in giving that quote value - but only when it's on your side of the fence, then I wouldn't put it past you to have deluded yourself into thinking you're not actually pushing an agenda

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;51482081]Ok, you clearly included the quote. But as soon as someone brought it up, you accused them of being apologetic, because apparently a singular piece of info counts more than [I]the rest of the fucking sentence[/I] which details his [I]lifelong history of violence[/I]. You can't use the inclusion of the quote to paint yourself as neutral when you antagonize the very first person that uses it. If you can't see the hypocrisy in giving that quote value - but only when it's on your side of the fence, then I wouldn't put it past you to have deluded yourself into thinking you're not actually pushing an agenda[/QUOTE] He won't respond to that. He's been dodging the question for the entire thread. Let him believe what he believes of himself, I can only hope most people will see through his shit and read the rest of the article. Knowing SH though, few will.

[QUOTE=Big Bang;51480563]You're as much of a radical as this guy is if you really think Islam forces people to become violent.[/QUOTE] Your view of reality is really fucking skewed. This guy beats the shit out of people who dont adhere to his moral sensibilities, i want the maximum possible of freedom for everyone, and i'm a pacifist. You have no fucking idea what you're saying.

alright, lets take it from the top [QUOTE=St33m;51480413]Public displays of affection is taboo in islamic societies dude.[/QUOTE] this is nonsense, I see so much of the opposite, but ill put ancedotal evidence aside, even it it disproves your broad generalization aside from certain middle eastern countries that do have backward laws (and that I agree need to be changed), there nothing inherently special about islam that prevents PDA. People who are religious (in any religion in general) will tend to be against it. My point is that moderate muslims don't really care [QUOTE=St33m;51480492]We are pretty certain this guy isn't a hindu. He is an islamist, and his distaste for displays of public affection can be [I]traced back to his islamic upbringing.[/I][/QUOTE] the guy wasnt born muslim, as blackmagemari pointed out, and the fact that you made this assumption clearly shows you never read the OP [QUOTE=St33m;51480503]Islamic influence then, that only makes the case against islam all the more damning.[/QUOTE] Then you shift the goal posts, then still fail to realize that he was inherently violent before his conversion, further demonstrating you not reading the source and your own agenda. [QUOTE=St33m;51480521]And the islamists were right there to welcome a violent criminal with open arms.[/QUOTE] Being proved wrong yet again you make a jump to the absurd. Yes, a crazy extremist gets welcomed by a crazy extremist. you will find this pattern with ANY form of extremism. be it islamic terror, racism, etc [QUOTE=St33m;51480548]He couldn't excuse his insanity with the religion if the religion didn't have a nice cozy basis for violent behavior written right into it's foundation by a brutal, conquering, pedophile warlord. He couldn't do it if he believed religiously in the tenant of Ahimsa for instance. Which promotes non-violence between all people and animals. [B]Of-course he was drawn to Islam because fucking frankly- There he will find plenty of people like him.[/B][/QUOTE] what do you mean excuse his insanity? he was doing crimes BEFORE HE CONVERTED. I am not even sure what to say about the utter extreme generalization you made in bold there. WHICH NOW BRINGS US [QUOTE=St33m;51484377]Your view of reality is really fucking skewed.[/QUOTE] Do you want to accuse people of being skewed? perhaps you should look in the mirror. there you will find someone who has been proven wrong, and instead of admitting to it refining your view on the world, you decide to double down on your ignorance. Not only have you failed to provide any sources to your arguments, you have demonstrated that you never read the OP

I was about to write a whole tirade, engaging you on everything you wrote, but you wont change your mind. Because this is bizzaro-world. Where theocratic fascism is cool, and it's violent adherents must be defended at all costs, modern liberal principles of scrutiny and honesty be damned.