Islamist jailed for brutaly assaulting boy over embrace with girl in London street - Polidicks

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;51506239]Okay I'll spell it out for you because obviously this is too difficult for some of you to understand. Let's picture 2 scenarios. 1) This man is a violent criminal with a history of problems, is NOT converted to Islam. 2) This man is an Islamic believer, does not have a history of violent crime. Of these two people, which one has more reason to commit this act? It's a pretty clear answer. Yes, there was fuel from his faith, but anyone with any understanding of criminal psychology can eyeball what are the important factors behind this crime and what aren't.[/QUOTE] this might be a thing if he came into either category. It's like saying if the queen had balls she'd be the king.

Is "Islamist" an accepted term for an extremist? It doesn't seem quite right to me. Does this term refer to a particular movement?

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;51506239][B]Okay I'll spell it out for you because obviously this is too difficult for some of you to understand[/B]. Let's picture 2 scenarios. 1) This man is a violent criminal with a history of problems, is NOT converted to Islam. 2) This man is an Islamic believer, does not have a history of violent crime. Of these two people, which one has more reason to commit this act? It's a pretty clear answer. Yes, there was fuel from his faith, [B]but anyone with any understanding of criminal psychology can eyeball what are the important factors behind this crime and what aren't. [/B] [editline]9th December 2016[/editline] This post shows such a total misunderstanding of the human mind I don't even know where to begin. [B]The school system really failed a lot of you guys.[/B][/QUOTE] I think I might have an inkling of how your mind works.

[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51505970]He was a muslim for 9 years and he violently assaulted a juvenile for embracing his girlfriend, you can't blame that on his past, how many times can I write this? I have done wrong things in my past but these things have no bearing on my present actions, get real.[/QUOTE] You're the one who should get real, what world do you live in where someone's entire life history has absolutely no bearing on who they are and what decisions they make? Are you really going against basic fucking psychology here and saying your upbringing doesn't affect who you are? I doubt even you believe this nonsense you're spewing. If his past is as irrelevant as you say, why even bring up that he was a muslim for nine years? You can't follow your own logic for a single fucking paragraph

[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51506322]I think I might have an inkling of how your mind works.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I'm someone who thinks you ought to be an informed and level headed individual capable of making decisions based on a proper understanding of the circumstances behind things. Sorry for expecting people to know what they're talking about? [editline]9th December 2016[/editline] It's very telling that you're capable of using critical thinking skills to analyze solely someone because you disagree with them, but refuse to use that same thought processes to weigh in on actual worthwhile discussion

[QUOTE=Biotoxsin;51506281]Is "Islamist" an accepted term for an extremist? It doesn't seem quite right to me. Does this term refer to a particular movement?[/QUOTE] This is a good question and something that is easily confused. A muslim is a human being who practices islam (the religion). End of story. an "islamist" is a term for someone who supports a government governed by islam. It is something I and many others disagree with since we believe religion should be separated from state. this doesnt mean they are extremists/terrorists and violent (the two terms arent synonymous), but its still generally backwards in my opinion to have a state sponsored religion. so in short muslims practice islam, a religion islamists practice islamism, which is basically a political policy. [QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51506322]I think I might have an inkling of how your mind works.[/QUOTE] sure, insulting people is wrong. but are you actually going to address his points?

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;51506411]You're the one who should get real, what world do you live in where someone's entire life history has absolutely no bearing on who they are and what decisions they make? Are you really going against basic fucking psychology here and saying your upbringing doesn't affect who you are? I doubt even you believe this nonsense you're spewing. If his past is as irrelevant as you say, why even bring up that he was a muslim for nine years? You can't follow your own logic for a single fucking paragraph[/QUOTE] So it's not possible for people to change or be rehabilitated? Has he reoffended since he was converted? I think it is relevant that he has been Muslim for 9 years and committed this offence based on his religious beliefs more so than he has a violent past.

[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51507659]So it's not possible for people to change or be rehabilitated? Has he reoffended since he was converted? I think it is relevant that he has been Muslim for 9 years and committed this offence based on his religious beliefs more so than he has a violent past.[/QUOTE] He committed violence without those religious beliefs. We add those religious beliefs, he continues to be violent. Its a damn null hypothesis. The independent variable (religion) had no observable effect on tbe dependent one (violence), so we can assume safely that they are not related

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;51506548]Yeah, I'm someone who thinks you ought to be an informed and level headed individual capable of making decisions based on a proper understanding of the circumstances behind things. Sorry for expecting people to know what they're talking about? [editline]9th December 2016[/editline] It's very telling that you're capable of using critical thinking skills to analyze solely someone because you disagree with them, but refuse to use that same thought processes to weigh in on actual worthwhile discussion[/QUOTE] Exactly, [B]you think[/B] you know better and everyone else is wrong. You're not alone here though. Proof you know better: [QUOTE=No Party Hats;51507765]Im really just talking in ideals here. don't want to toot my own horn here, but I'm definitely more intelligent than many of my peers who had graduated and I'd chalk it up honestly to being on here over half my life. without all of your guys's perspectives, bad or good, I'd be much less informed about the world and the rationale behind people's thought processes. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=da space core;51507703]He committed violence without those religious beliefs. We add those religious beliefs, he continues to be virus. Its a damn null hypothesis. The independent variable (religion) had no observable effect on tbe dependent one (violence), so we can assume safely that they are not related[/QUOTE] He left prison converted to the muslim faith, there is no mention of any reoffending in that 9 year period since he left apart from this: [QUOTE]The judge said the second reason he believed Coe had been policing how he thought young Muslims should behave was that the defendant had been involved in a similar incident in 2013. Coe was convicted of religiously aggravated harassment after seeing a Muslim woman talking to a group of men and telling her that it was against Islam. [/QUOTE] From this we can safely assume that his behaviour is directly connected to his religious beliefs. Which is exactly what the Judge said when convicting him, I am inclined to believe him. [QUOTE] Sentencing him at Southwark crown court, the judge Michael Gledhill QC said: “At the time of these offences you either held extremist views or views that were getting very close to extremist views. “And I have no doubt at all that these views were nurtured in prison, and probably outside prison, by your association with convicted extremists in prison, and perhaps out of prison.” [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;51506239]Okay I'll spell it out for you because obviously this is too difficult for some of you to understand. Let's picture 2 scenarios. 1) This man is a violent criminal with a history of problems, is NOT converted to Islam. 2) This man is an Islamic believer, does not have a history of violent crime. Of these two people, which one has more reason to commit this act? It's a pretty clear answer. Yes, there was fuel from his faith, but anyone with any understanding of criminal psychology can eyeball what are the important factors behind this crime and what aren't. [/QUOTE] Man, the condescending tone is really not required. I was merely saying that Islam was a factor in this, and entirely disregarding it is disingenuous. Nobody said that people with islam are likely to commit crime. Hell, I even said it myself. I merely said that it was a factor- which you even agreed to in your post. [quote]Yes, there was fuel from his faith[/quote] I wasn't saying that islam made him do it, I merely said that it was associated with Islam and that people need to stop acting like every single tied to Islam [I]isn't actually[/I] tied to islam because of excuse X Y or Z.

[QUOTE=Matthew0505;51507737]I wonder why you keep running into people who tell you you're wrong.[/QUOTE] What a silly comment. Unless you haven't noticed this forum is about people pitching their opposing opinion, it's bound to happen. The same could be said of anyone here. Yeah this guy is right and I am wrong because his opinions are more intelligent because: [QUOTE=No Party Hats;51507765]Im really just talking in ideals here. don't want to toot my own horn here, but I'm definitely more intelligent than many of my peers who had graduated and I'd chalk it up honestly to being on here over half my life. without all of your guys's perspectives, bad or good, I'd be much less informed about the world and the rationale behind people's thought processes. [/QUOTE]

Somewhere along the line he's pushed his anger/past offenses into following the religion. So instead of just beating someone up, he's using the religion to justify it within his own mind.

[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51507763]What a silly comment. Unless you haven't noticed this forum is about people pitching their opposing opinion, it's bound to happen. The same could be said of anyone here. Yeah this guy is right and I am wrong because his opinions are more intelligent because:[/QUOTE] Jesus Christ sorry for souring your day because you can't appreciate other folk's views lmao, if you spent half the time it took to cross post my shit from another thread on the quality of your posting, maybe someone would actually take you seriously. But ya dont so ya wont, my bad bud [editline]10th December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=phygon;51507759]Man, the condescending tone is really not required. I was merely saying that Islam was a factor in this, and entirely disregarding it is disingenuous. Nobody said that people with islam are likely to commit crime. Hell, I even said it myself. I merely said that it was a factor- which you even agreed to in your post. I wasn't saying that islam made him do it, I merely said that it was associated with Islam and that people need to stop acting like every single tied to Islam [I]isn't actually[/I] tied to islam because of excuse X Y or Z.[/QUOTE] Okay, the dude was Islamic. That doesn't help the conversation at all, all you did was say a fact we knew in a roundabout way. The point is that there are factors that are way more important than that, ones very clear and present. This thread has turned into a total shitstorm with half of the argument involving Islam being some kind of key factor when its really not. It's exactly the kind of behavior that perpetuates this fear of Islam that then feeds back into the religious isolationism that breeds extremists. Are any extremists gonna be bred from this thread? No, most likely not, but focusing on the dudes religion is a total misunderstanding of the root of this problem. Sorry to be condescending, really, but these threads have a habit of becoming echochambers whenever religion, specifically Islam, is involved. It's absolutely mind boggling. [editline]10th December 2016[/editline] And no, I'm right and you're wrong because I'm making an actual tangible argument rather than pissing in the sandbox. I'm all ears if you actually have any sort of refute, I love to hear other peoples viewpoints as you're so keenly aware due to you deeply scrutinizing each and every one of my posts, but you need to actually have a viewpoint before anything constructive can come from it

[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51507659]So it's not possible for people to change or be rehabilitated? Has he reoffended since he was converted? I think it is relevant that he has been Muslim for 9 years and committed this offence based on his religious beliefs more so than he has a violent past.[/QUOTE] You're talking nonsense. If this was a real life conversation, a reply like this would get nothing but awkward looks (and maybe a 'fuck off' from some) because of how weird and out of place it is No, obviously I didn't say rehabilitation is impossible. There's not a single line in my post that gives off that idea. There's as much of me saying "people can't change" in that post as there is a catalog of my favorite types of ice cream So now that we've established you're grasping at non-existent straws, lemme try for a reply: Yes, people can change. There's nothing that indicates this guy has changed. He was a violent nut before he became a muslim and he's a violent nut after becoming one. kthxbai

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;51508363]There's nothing that indicates this guy has changed. He was a violent nut before he became a muslim and he's a violent nut after becoming one. kthxbai[/QUOTE] Yes but according to my agenda it would make more sense if there was a part where he became a completely rehabilitated normal happy person again and then re-discovered violence through islam.

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;51508363]You're talking nonsense. If this was a real life conversation, a reply like this would get nothing but awkward looks (and maybe a 'fuck off' from some) because of how weird and out of place it is No, obviously I didn't say rehabilitation is impossible. There's not a single line in my post that gives off that idea. There's as much of me saying "people can't change" in that post as there is a catalog of my favorite types of ice cream So now that we've established you're grasping at non-existent straws, lemme try for a reply: Yes, people can change. There's nothing that indicates this guy has changed. He was a violent nut before he became a muslim and he's a violent nut after becoming one. kthxbai[/QUOTE] [QUOTE] The judge said the second reason he believed Coe had been policing how he thought young Muslims should behave was that the defendant had been involved in a similar incident in 2013. [/QUOTE] But only because he was violent and not at all because he was involved with extremist muslims for 9 years.

[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51508643]But only because he was violent and not at all because he was involved with extremist muslims for 9 years.[/QUOTE] I've seen some shitty attempts at arguing but this really takes the cake. Utterly bizarre point that no one buys? Just repeat it over and over, that ought to get them! Building on it and explaining it further? That's insane, who would do such a thing? Hit me up when you've come up with something new, please

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;51508679]I've seen some shitty attempts at arguing but this really takes the cake. Utterly bizarre point that no one buys? Just repeat it over and over, that ought to get them! Building on it and explaining it further? That's insane, who would do such a thing? Hit me up when you've come up with something new, please[/QUOTE] Oh don't even sweat it dude, in the other thread about the german school system saying muslims have to go to the mandatory swim lessons like any other kid, he's pulling the same shit. he's just looking for attention at this point, report and reply to people who are actually interested in the topic rather than slinging shit

I don't see why people here either claim that he did this because of radicalization or because he was already unstable beforehand. Like with a lot of things in the real world, it's probably a bit of both. The way I see it he would have done violent shit regardless, but due to the fact he was radicalized and taught conservative values he directed that violence towards things like public display of affection. That's how radical islamists operate, they are like a lens to the sun: They harness already available violent behaviors and direct them all towards a goal that serve their interests.

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;51503069]I'm a lunatic with a history of violent assaults, in prison I end up converted to HARD LINE Catholicism and the first thing I do as a free man is go beat up some homosexuals. Is this a religiously motivated crime or am I a bad person who in a mentally venerable state turned to anything that could possibly justify my behavior.[/QUOTE] Both, both can apply and be true at the same time. [editline]10th December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=da space core;51505876]He. Was. Violent. Years. Before. He. Converted. How many ways can I write this?[/QUOTE] The reason why he got violent in this instance was because of the hateful messages in his religion. He can very well be a violent person natively but his religion made him think he had a point to make and behaviour to correct about stuff that was perfectly fine. If religion/cult makes you think you need to kill yourself in a group people dont go out claiming the person was suicidal pre conversion either, even if that might be the case... The religion set them on a self destructive path... Islam has some pretty destructive dogma engrained in it to the point that a moderate muslim is someone who mostly does not adhere to basic scripture.

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;51508222] Sorry to be condescending, really, but these threads have a habit of becoming echochambers whenever religion, specifically Islam, is involved. It's absolutely mind boggling. [/QUOTE] I absolutely agree. Both sides are completely failing to debate in any meaningful way... I really think that this is being caused by both sides being extremely galvanized by extremists from both sides. What I was trying to point out is that it is incredibly frustrating when people immediately and completely shut down Islam as being a contributing factor to any crime without really understanding why- You have an absolutely valid point, and you offered a reason as to why; however, I do have a point to raise given the particular nature of this case. Given the long break in his behavior (according to the article) followed by a resurgence, don't you think that it is possible that his behavior was encouraged by his faith? The article may be leaving bits out of the timeline but it seems like he had a peaceful middle period until there were these islam-related incidents.

[QUOTE=phygon;51510322]The article may be leaving bits out of the timeline but it seems like he had a peaceful middle period until there were these islam-related incidents.[/QUOTE] I have no idea how you're assuming this when one of the facts that we do have and that isn't complete conjecture grasping at whatever there is to grasp to blame Islam is how he was converted [I]in prison, while serving an 8 year sentence for shooting a fucking shotgun at police during an arrest.[/I] In fact, evidence shows that the opposite is true. After conversion, it seems he was only involved in one similar altercation, which wasn't as serious as this one, of course, this doesn't mean that he was rehabilitated but it casts serious doubts on the idea that he became more violent after conversion. Another thing that everyone seems to have glossed over (Or most likely, that they failed to scroll that far down in the article), is that the victims just so happen to be [I]moderate Muslims[/I], who were afraid to tell the guy that they were actually Muslim because they didn't know what he was gonna do.

There are extreme views on both sides of the camp here. Those that will condemn muslims no matter what and those that will defend muslims no matter what. Personally although I understand this guy is unhinged, his latest actions are due to his beliefs. I am not suggesting that if he wasn't converted that he wouldn't be violent (a moot point because he has been converted and nobody can prove what he might have done if circumstances were different) I am merely pointing out that his actions [I][B]now[/B][/I] are due to what he has been taught by extreme muslims, he has taken it on board and is running with it. The catalyst therefore is extreme muslim views. Extreme muslims know what they are doing, they convert people like this because they know how easily they can be manipulated to behave like this.

[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51513441]There are extreme views on both sides of the camp here. Those that will condemn muslims no matter what and those that will defend muslims no matter what. Personally although I understand this guy is unhinged, his latest actions are due to his beliefs. I am not suggesting that if he wasn't converted that he wouldn't be violent (a moot point because he has been converted and nobody can prove what he might have done if circumstances were different) I am merely pointing out that his actions [I][B]now[/B][/I] are due to what he has been taught by extreme muslims, he has taken it on board and is running with it. The catalyst therefore is extreme muslim views. Extreme muslims know what they are doing, they convert people like this because they know how easily they can be manipulated to behave like this.[/QUOTE] You're somehow assuming that I believe extremists of ANY kind can be peaceful. And no, I despise all extremists, left, right, Christian or Muslim. The zeal of their belief makes them irrational, and it makes them do irrational things, like beating people up in the street. Nobody is saying that Islamic extremism is good. However the idea that Muslims are naturally more violent [I]just[/I] because of what their scriptures say and [I]just[/I] because of the history of Islam is a ridiculous notion, because it just so happens to be that every single religion has outrageous lines in their holy scriptures, and that they tend to have a very rocky history. Honestly, with some select quoting you can make the Old Testament look like the most violent book ever. However, what is happening in this thread, and most explicitly, what !LORD M! is attempting to do, and the reason why he ran away from his own thread, is that he wants to create this perception that ALL Muslims are dangerous and that none of them belong in western society. He's trying to make it look like just being a Muslim is enough to drive you to violent extremism, while it just so happens to be that the victims are moderate Muslims. And that kind of junk doesn't belong here.

[QUOTE=Big Bang;51513997]You're somehow assuming that I believe extremists of ANY kind can be peaceful. And no, I despise all extremists, left, right, Christian or Muslim. The zeal of their belief makes them irrational, and it makes them do irrational things, like beating people up in the street. Nobody is saying that Islamic extremism is good. However the idea that Muslims are naturally more violent [I]just[/I] because of what their scriptures say and [I]just[/I] because of the history of Islam is a ridiculous notion, because it just so happens to be that every single religion has outrageous lines in their holy scriptures, and that they tend to have a very rocky history. Honestly, with some select quoting you can make the Old Testament look like the most violent book ever. However, what is happening in this thread, and most explicitly, what !LORD M! is attempting to do, and the reason why he ran away from his own thread, is that he wants to create this perception that ALL Muslims are dangerous and that none of them belong in western society. He's trying to make it look like just being a Muslim is enough to drive you to violent extremism, while it just so happens to be that the victims are moderate Muslims. And that kind of junk doesn't belong here.[/QUOTE] I don't think the view that muslims are naturally more violent because of their scriptures is genuinely believed by many but muslim extremists like many other extremists are usually violent because of their twisted beliefs. On both sides of these types of threads there are those that protest too much.

[QUOTE=Big Bang;51513997]You're somehow assuming that I believe extremists of ANY kind can be peaceful. And no, I despise all extremists, left, right, Christian or Muslim. The zeal of their belief makes them irrational, and it makes them do irrational things, like beating people up in the street. Nobody is saying that Islamic extremism is good. However the idea that Muslims are naturally more violent [I]just[/I] because of what their scriptures say and [I]just[/I] because of the history of Islam is a ridiculous notion, because it just so happens to be that every single religion has outrageous lines in their holy scriptures, and that they tend to have a very rocky history. Honestly, with some select quoting you can make the Old Testament look like the most violent book ever. However, what is happening in this thread, and most explicitly, what !LORD M! is attempting to do, and the reason why he ran away from his own thread, is that he wants to create this perception that ALL Muslims are dangerous and that none of them belong in western society. He's trying to make it look like just being a Muslim is enough to drive you to violent extremism, while it just so happens to be that the victims are moderate Muslims. And that kind of junk doesn't belong here.[/QUOTE] You know sometimes one can be too busy to reply to people arguing on the internet I never stated anything of what you said above, nowhere did I ever write all muslims are bad as you try to make it out (as proven before). [i]You are outright lying.[/i] It is your own fault for reading into it like that because sadly it is almost like you seem to believe those with a differing opinion on the matter then yours are part of hitlerist deathsquads. The fact that I don't reply back to your everhounding question anymore is because I already answered it. But it doesn't matter how many times one answer it. It is simple, you say I don't mention he is radical - then what is an islamist other then a radical as the title stated? If I was doing what you imply then I would have had in the title muslim instead of islamists. Not all muslims are islamists but sure as hell all islamists are muslims. [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51481263]Or, since you specifically call out Germany, what about any of these German bombings and/or massacres? You are simply wrong. Your agenda is clouding your perspective, and now you're simply making things up to support your argument. Your claim has no basis in reality. As for your claims that there were no group sexual assaults in Germany prior to the Muslim refugees, it is just as ridiculous. Unfortunately, that point is much more difficult to prove (or disprove) for either of us, given the lack of centralized sources exploring such events. But, come on man... Muslim refugees didn't invent this shit. You know better than that.[/QUOTE] You do know I meant jihad on unbelievers since I mentioned religious terrorism, don't you. All those are SECULAR POLITICAL attacks, yes they're horrible but they are not motivated purely by religious motives compared to the recent ones like Bataclan and Zagreb have - and THAT is pretty new and have not existed in this scale before. I am sorry but those examples sadly doesn't matter in the discussion because I was talking about religious terrorism. [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51481044]Do you have statistical evidence relating to changes in crime rate over the last X years to reinforce this claim? Individual news articles don't exactly prove a trend. [editline]/[/editline] [B]Just to expand on that a bit:[/B] We need to know rate of crimes being committed by refugees, which is to say how many refugees are actually committing crimes, and the rate of crime among native citizens to form a proper comparison here. We also need to know how that's changed in a given period. Have increases or decreases in crime rates among refugees since any changes in crime among native inhabitants? Also, if crime rates are higher among any demographics, [I]what kind[/I] of crimes are seeing the highest discrepancy? Are nonviolent crimes, like theft, where the highest discrepancy exists, or is it within more serious charges like rape? Are there sub-demographics among the refugees wherein further discrepancies are found; such as age, nation of origin, education, income, etc? Furthermore, [I]where[/I] are the crimes are occurring? Are they centered in specific geographic areas, and if so, how does the population of refugees fit into that scenario? For example: what is the ratio of refugees to "natives," do the refugees in this area hail from a specific nation of origin (and if so, what factors there could have contributed to their higher crime rates?), do refugees in these areas have access to the same systems and resources as refugees in other, lower-crime areas? Things like that. I'm not saying that there [B]isn't[/B] a concerning spike in crime, but I think you're seriously oversimplifying it in looking primarily at religion here, and I also think your approach to analyzing the situation is inherently flawed. A series of news articles about individual crimes doesn't really prove anything.[/QUOTE] Here's a fun google map for you to play with showing individual cases, you can click and read about eahc and every single one. Don't forget that you can right click in chrome to translate to english, and there are addons for other browsers. Remember that all these crimes have been committed by a very very small part of the population and they are committed by the so called refugees and migrants during 2016. This is only a fraction of the actual attacks, based on how the police do not have press releases for all cases as in Vienna where in more then 200 000 cases less than 2000 were made public in press releases, this is for crimes committed by both Austrians and non-Austrians. To 647 reported rapes, only 15 were released to the press. [url]https://correctiv.org/recherchen/stories/2015/08/26/polizeiberichte-verzerren-wirklichkeit/[/url] [url]https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1_rNT3k2ZXB-f9z-2nSFMIBQKXCs&ll=50.86049353465815%2C12.575152236523536&z=7[/url] [img]http://i.imgur.com/tWY286z.jpg[/img]

Oh lord he's back...

[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;51521047]Oh lord he's back...[/QUOTE] How horrible it is to have people with differing opinions ain't it? Nothing better to say other then discretely flaming? And you didn't even read a single word I wrote before replying, seeing as how you posted seconds after I posted. You going to pull some fedora argumentative points as well?

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51521034]You know sometimes one can be too busy to reply to people arguing on the internet I never stated anything of what you said above, nowhere did I ever write all muslims are bad as you try to make it out (as proven before). [i]You are outright lying.[/i] It is your own fault for reading into it like that because sadly it is almost like you seem to believe those with a differing opinion on the matter then yours are part of hitlerist deathsquads. The fact that I don't reply back to your everhounding question anymore is because I already answered it. But it doesn't matter how many times one answer it. It is simple, you say I don't mention he is radical - then what is an islamist other then a radical as the title stated? If I was doing what you imply then I would have had in the title muslim instead of islamists. Not all muslims are islamists but sure as hell all islamists are muslims.[/QUOTE] You are 5 pages in, and you have, not ONCE, commented over your omission of paragraph 4 of the article, "The 35-year-old had been radicalised in prison by a convicted al-Qaida terrorist, Dhiren Barot, in 2007 while serving an eight-year term for firing a shotgun at police during an arrest.". This paragraph is crucial to painting a broader picture of the events but you continuously refuse to acknowledge it because it defuses your points. And don't fucking lie to our faces saying that you don't have an agenda, when you clearly do. Look at your previous threads, [I]"'Islamic State' reportedly training terrorists to enter Europe as asylum seekers"[/I], [I]"Crimes by foreigners in Denmark have doubled between 2009 and 2015"[/I], [I]"Copenhagen bars harassed by locals trying to enforce Sharia law"[/I], [I]"Islamists in Norway start vigilante group "Soldiers of Allah" which aim to mobilize against "Odin's Soldiers" and patrol streets wearing IS logos"[/I],[I] "TaHarrush - Arabic rape game phenomenon arrived in Germany according to police"[/I]. And I'm not even going by individual posts, fucking, the part that I omitted from your post happens to be a tirade against Syrian refugees. You are trying to draw people into making assumptions through misinformation and every time you get called out on it, you run away from the accusations, a trait you share with others in this section. I didn't say you're part of a "hitlerist deathsquad", in fact, I'll call you for what you are, a xenophobic, islamophobic propagandist.