• Donald Trump has secured the US Republican nomination
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[QUOTE=Murky42;50743827]I would say that Hillary Clinton is also a pretty good argument against democracy. I still prefer democracy over the systems that would probably replace it though for the time being.[/QUOTE] Personally I think both fringe candidates, trump and sanders, are arguments against democracy. In previous elections we had guys like Ron Paul but they only get the votes of equally crazy people. This election was populated by people who typically don't follow politics (young people and people in the flyover states) and so jumped in with a candidate who said "fuck the system man". Democracy states that these people, who have spent none of their lives following politics and current events, should have their votes count as much as people who've been following politics for years. All the other systems suck, but it makes you wish there was a better one
I'll be honest, I had some small tiny minuscule hope that he somehow wouldn't get it even though I'm not surprised with this. I had hoped the anti-Trump people got some sort of voice out in the convention at least.
[QUOTE=Ignhelper;50743547]Remember back at the start of this, everyone was thinking, 'No way in hell he'll get this far' And look at it now[/QUOTE] after actually watching some of the show 'the Apprentice' with him back before he got kicked off; it's a pretty scary reality to see where he is now. A joke that's gone too far and isn't a joke anymore
Hoping he wins the presidency so that social media explodes. It will truly be a sight to behold.
Meanwhile 721 is the highest number of delegates apposing at the convention for the last 40 years.
[QUOTE=darkshadow321s;50744379]Hoping he wins the presidency so that social media explodes. It will truly be a sight to behold.[/QUOTE] You should probably care slightly more.
I hate this whole race. I don't know what to think and it [I]pisses me off[/I] that Hillary seems like a less bad choice because while I disagree with her views on a number of things, at least she seems to give a genuine shit about the country.
You know, I wish we had a do-over for this entire election. Because it's been one shit show after another without anything remotely decent as a candidate instead of the two clowns who are almost inevitably going to be going against each other. I know there'll be people that'll rebut saying "Having a do over is undermining the democratic process!!!", and I say that's such a straw man argument considering our current political climate and campaign system is rightfully fucked, corroded internally and externally by corporate agendas, unbridled lobbying, straightforward illegal scandals, and absolutely retarded populist platforms for both candidates. "Oh but that means you're just a socialist! Better dead than red!" or "Quit sucking Bernie's dick!" is what some will also respond with. [U]Rightfully fuck off[/U], Bernie may not have been the ideal candidate but atleast he had integrity, strong policies and alot less bullshit populist voting than "Make America Great Again" and "I'm Voting Because She's A Strong Woman". "Feel the Bern" was populist and annoying IMO because it turned some into the mentality that Bernie is the "PC guy" or the "Trendy Canidate" instead of looking at the hard policies and platforms he supported. I don't agree with some of what he was saying, his foreign policy was weak for example, but I supported alot of his other policies such as upholding gay marriage, reformation of the campaign system, a thorough reform of the healthcare system, stronger support for higher education, and probably most importantly (IMO) a decrease in the wealth gap to revitalize our economy and re-energize the middle class (Velocity of money and all). I'm not complaining about wanting to do a do-over because I'm a whiny baby because Bernie lost. [U]I have strong reason to why this country needs a thorough do-over.[/U] Hell, I was agreeing with alot of Kaisch's policies too.
What makes you think a do-over would somehow improve the results?
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;50743272]Legitimately terrifying that he got it.[/QUOTE] i dunno man seems p. alright to me
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50744720]What makes you think a do-over would somehow improve the results?[/QUOTE] To be fair you're right to a degree. A do-over would have more or less run the same course as it currently is going. Part of my previous post was a bit of a vent so I'll admit that, but I suppose me calling for a do-over is more to do with fixing the campaign system to prevent big campaign donations from corporations, having a stronger emphasis of educating the public on their policies instead of populist rallies, and holding more scrutiny to those with very real scandals. Its several factors that lead to a string of systematic problems, there's no one "silver bullet" to a professional, respectful election.
[QUOTE=SoaringScout;50744728]i dunno man seems p. alright to me[/QUOTE] Yeah, well some of us haven't had the parts of our brain responsible for critical thinking replaced with meme-appreciation cells.
[QUOTE=LoneWolf_Recon;50744740]To be fair you're right to a degree. A do-over would have more or less run the same course as it currently is going. Part of my previous post was a bit of a vent so I'll admit that, but I suppose me calling for a do-over is more to do with fixing the campaign system to prevent big campaign donations from corporations, having a stronger emphasis of educating the public on their policies instead of populist rallies, and holding more scrutiny to those with very real scandals.[/QUOTE] Any reforms to the way the elections are done will take a good while to implement, and if nothing else, will be opposed every step of the way by those who the current system benefits. Forgive me if I sound like I'm trying to grind flour that's already ground so to speak, but I just feel that the important thing is for people to actually start caring about good governance once again before we'll see actual change being made to the system. The younger generation needs to stand up for good governance, think rationally about their choices for candidate, and additionally, not allow themselves to believe everything spoon-fed to them on mass media, but to form independent, rational conclusions about the candidates running for President, or what have you. People however are dissatisfied with how things are going on, that's understandable. I'm in the same boat, myself. However, short of an actual revolution, it's not going to be possible for immediate change to occur, at least not in the time frame most people think it should occur. The good thing about this shitshow of an election so far is as you've said, bringing notice to a candidate like Bernie who had a good vision of what he wanted for the country to prosper and for corruption to be rooted out. Only thing is, if he'd have burned his bridges with the democrat leadership by refusing to support Clinton, it would've ruined him politically and ensured he'd have no say as a candidate ever again. So he played the waiting game and reaffirmed his dedication to prevent pieces of shit like Donald Trump from ever gaining office. Bernie supporters who see this as a betrayal of his ideals are unfortunately looking in the wrong place, since this is about the only choice he had to ensure that he could stay in the fight and potentially become a successful candidate in a future election, all while working to try to spread his ideals in the party in general. However, I have to mention that no matter what rules we implement or reforms we pass, nothing can account for the complexities and perversity of human nature. People will try to find legal loopholes wherever possible to justify their illegal actions, and elections are no exception.
If Trump wins, America will get the president it deserves.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;50743821]It's very easy to show that Trump's a two-faced chunk of orange sleaze, even more than Hillary is. Honesty shouldn't be the only trait to care about - and if you're measuring honesty, Hillary ran on a platform of a post-Reagan conservative-era "New Democrat" and fulfilled her more conservative promises then - and now that she's promoting more progressive promises, why wouldn't she fulfill those? adapting to the will of your constituents is called being a representative, not necessarily flip-flopping or lying. Trump's not honest, neither is Hillary (necessarily), but I'd rather have an experienced politician with views I agree on and significant experience in international relations than a bumbling orange businessman with no political experience who's only foreign endorsements are far-right xenophobic nationalists and literal dictators.[/QUOTE] This is something I thought about a while ago. People call Hillary a flip flop for going with whatever is popular at the time. Gay rights wasn't an issue 20 years ago, so she didn't care about it; but they are now, so she's a huge proponent for them. She pushes for what people want for at the moment. Isn't that the whole point of being a representative? Doesn't that mean she's doing her job? And people hate her for representing the public opinion? I could be finding ways to justify Hillary, but I'd still pick her over Trump any day.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;50744412]You should probably care slightly more.[/QUOTE] I miss being 17 a year ago because I got to not give a damn because it didn't fucking matter because I couldn't vote anyway [editline]20th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Raidyr;50744815]If Trump wins, America will get the president it deserves.[/QUOTE] But not the president we need.
Are people honestly saying Trump is pro LGBT? Last year when gay marriage got legalized country wide he said this: [media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/614434531861512193 [/media] Yes, it's not him saying it himself but the people manning his twitter would have been told what to say and what Trump's stances are. Trump is a bigoted piece of shit who flip flops hard.
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;50743537]Several people I know who are VERY left leaning[/QUOTE] who *say they're very left leaning
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;50743537]It's fascinating to watch. They legitimately believe the system has failed, and are out for blood, one way or another.[/QUOTE] I mean, the system [I]has[/I] failed. I'm not sure what else we can call the massive amounts of bribery, corruption, authoritarianism, and overall dishonesty that's currently present in nearly every politician running for office. Personally, I don't think this country will ever get better until someone steps up to stop all of the bullshit. I also think that it's absolutely clear that Hillary Clinton has absolutely zero intention of stopping any corruption/bribery any time soon.
[QUOTE=343N;50743749]isn't trump the lesser of two evils. i mean, he might make bad decisions but at least he's honest and not a liar[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.dailywire.com/news/4834/trumps-101-lies-hank-berrien[/url]
[QUOTE=Monkah;50744964]I mean, the system [I]has[/I] failed. I'm not sure what else we can call the massive amounts of bribery, corruption, authoritarianism, and overall dishonesty that's currently present in nearly every politician running for office. Personally, I don't think this country will ever get better until someone steps up to stop all of the bullshit. I also think that it's absolutely clear that Hillary Clinton has absolutely zero intention of stopping any corruption/bribery any time soon.[/QUOTE] and trump does?
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;50743537]Several people I know who are VERY left leaning are voting Trump because they are so completely and utterly fed up. A couple of them want to watch things burn, and a couple of them are falling into neo-reactionary behaviors while rapidly swinging to extreme right groups. It's fascinating to watch. They legitimately believe the system has failed, and are out for blood, one way or another.[/QUOTE] glad to know your "leftist" friends are happy to have the poorest and most vulnerable sections of society absolutely fucked even more, in the name of "shaking up" the system I actually wouldn't be surprised if trump did completely shake up the system, and replaced it with something a hundred times worse
[QUOTE=Turnips5;50744981]glad to know your "leftist" friends are happy to have the poorest and most vulnerable sections of society absolutely fucked even more, in the name of "shaking up" the system I actually wouldn't be surprised if trump did completely shake up the system, and replaced it with something a hundred times worse[/QUOTE] The evidence is there for people to see, but they ignore it because 'either the system needs a shaking up anyway' or 'all of it is a big fat liberal lie'.
hmm an ompa loompa for prez hmmm
I think I have a good idea about what the next season of South Park is going to be about. I'm looking forward to it if it's true :v: There is just too much content in this political race to make fun of
I wish trump to become next president of United States so that I can win in my "the crazy world 2016-2017" bongo. Unless i get "best Korea getting it done for real this time" or "Ukraine becomes even smaller" or "Isis goes to RIO'lympics" in other lines.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;50744798]Yeah, well some of us haven't had the parts of our brain responsible for critical thinking replaced with meme-appreciation cells.[/QUOTE] t. intelligent individual who stands tall above the unwashed masses
[QUOTE=343N;50743749]isn't trump the lesser of two evils. i mean, he might make bad decisions but[b] at least he's honest and not a liar[/b][/QUOTE] Yer kidding right?
[QUOTE=SoaringScout;50745150]t. intelligent individual who stands tall above the unwashed masses[/QUOTE] Not falling history's laziest cult of personality isn't asking for much.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;50745643]Not falling history's laziest cult of personality isn't asking for much.[/QUOTE] if trump's campaign counts as a cult of personality then so does probably every other person who has ever run for some kind of office. kind of hard not to run for office without saying "im cool pls vote me"
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