• Donald Trump has secured the US Republican nomination
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[QUOTE=SoaringScout;50745656]if trump's campaign counts as a cult of personality then so does probably every other person who has ever run for some kind of office. kind of hard not to run for office without saying "im cool pls vote me"[/QUOTE] yeah but usually there's some sort of substance behind the bullshit like if Obama's campaign was literally just "we're gonna change the country" and that was it then you'd have a point Trump's entire campaign is either vague, completely insubstantial promises like "I'm gonna win" and "I'm gonna make everything great" or insane, impossible, crazy shit like "I'm gonna build a great wall between america and mexico to keep immigrants out" and "I'm going to destroy Apple if they don't do what I want with their business" I would be more understanding if there was some substantial reason to support Trump, but there fucking isn't. He's nothing but hot air and memes.
[QUOTE=SoaringScout;50745656]if trump's campaign counts as a cult of personality then so does probably every other person who has ever run for some kind of office. kind of hard not to run for office without saying "im cool pls vote me"[/QUOTE] Somehow I doubt that anyone was looking at trumps plans of action and went, "wow, what well reasoned solutions to the problems facing america today". They got roped in by charisma and rhetoric.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;50744894]This is something I thought about a while ago. People call Hillary a flip flop for going with whatever is popular at the time. Gay rights wasn't an issue 20 years ago, so she didn't care about it; but they are now, so she's a huge proponent for them. She pushes for what people want for at the moment. Isn't that the whole point of being a representative? Doesn't that mean she's doing her job? And people hate her for representing the public opinion? I could be finding ways to justify Hillary, but I'd still pick her over Trump any day.[/QUOTE] I would say best case, Clinton does more or keeps Obama's status quo/basically Obama's 3rd and maybe 4th term. Worst case, America is fucked. Course with Trump, its the same, best case, actually a liberal and was screwing the Republicans over, worst case, America is fucked even more. Its a shame that the sanest and best candidates are third party and have an astronomically low chance of winning because of the damn 2 party system. Hopefully by 2020(if we are still alive), we get more sane candidates in the election.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;50745695]yeah but usually there's some sort of substance behind the bullshit like if Obama's campaign was literally just "we're gonna change the country" and that was it then you'd have a point Trump's entire campaign is either vague, completely insubstantial promises like "I'm gonna win" and "I'm gonna make everything great" or insane, impossible, crazy shit like "I'm gonna build a great wall between america and mexico to keep immigrants out" and "I'm going to destroy Apple if they don't do what I want with their business" I would be more understanding if there was some substantial reason to support Trump, but there fucking isn't. He's nothing but hot air and memes.[/QUOTE] go on his fucking website if you want to read about his plans in detail. do you think everyone who voted for obama researched all the nooks and crannies of his policies? no. they listened to his simplified explanations of how he wanted to get things done in the office. just like people have done for every. other. candidate. ever. build a wall, immigration reform healthcare reform better trade deals for the us bring jobs back to the us plenty of of politicians have taken similar positions that were equally if not more simple. is the phrase "new deal" a comprehensive explanation of how FDR planned to fix the country?
this entire election is like choosing which two cocks you want to fuck you violently in the ass. what a time to be in.
Bricks and mortar?
[QUOTE=SoaringScout;50745789]go on his fucking website if you want to read about his plans in detail. do you think everyone who voted for obama researched all the nooks and crannies of his policies? no. they listened to his simplified explanations of how he wanted to get things done in the office. just like people have done for every. other. candidate. ever. build a wall, immigration reform healthcare reform better trade deals for the us bring jobs back to the us plenty of of politicians have taken similar positions that were equally if not more simple. is the phrase "new deal" a comprehensive explanation of how FDR planned to fix the country?[/QUOTE] It might be the same as far as grandpa's posts on Facebook are concerned, but I expected better from the people on this forum. I think I've lost count of the the people here who would, without fail, repeat the same "America needs a businessman, he's not a politician, he speaks his mind" trifecta of non-reasons for supporting him, and needed to be explained to over and over how none of these are good reasons to vote for someone, or really even true. I never seen anyone on this forum supportive of Obama to the point where they could, say, simultaneously belive that he's honest and speaking his mind, but also just pandering to people to get their votes. Trump has cult of personality because[I] even people who should know better[/I] are falling completely for his persona.
I love how him not being a politician and being a controversial candidate make him somehow 'not part of the elite.' He's a billionaire. He literally is the elite!
[QUOTE=proboardslol;50743842]Personally I think both fringe candidates, trump and sanders, are arguments against democracy. Democracy states that these people, who have spent none of their lives following politics and current events, should have their votes count as much as people who've been following politics for years. All the other systems suck, but it makes you wish there was a better one[/QUOTE] It's almost as if the opinion of one person is just as valid as the opinion of any other person, on average.
[QUOTE=SoaringScout;50745789]go on his fucking website if you want to read about his plans in detail. do you think everyone who voted for obama researched all the nooks and crannies of his policies? no. they listened to his simplified explanations of how he wanted to get things done in the office. just like people have done for every. other. candidate. ever. build a wall, immigration reform healthcare reform better trade deals for the us bring jobs back to the us plenty of of politicians have taken similar positions that were equally if not more simple. is the phrase "new deal" a comprehensive explanation of how FDR planned to fix the country?[/QUOTE] If you honestly think that Trump is not hot air and a populist demagogue, you need to seriously rethink your leanings. Evidence has been provided time and time again that his policies will leave the average American lower in the dust than they've ever gone before, especially his outright stupid idea of austerity measures and cutting spending to fund his white elephant policies. He will do exactly none of the things you've mentioned, unless you seriously believe he can make jobs grow on trees and stacks of $100 bills will rain from the sky for all to have. He is one of the elite who's in this election for his own purposes, only manipulating his vote bank of frustrated, disenchanted individuals who would rather support Trump not only because their marginalized voices are going unheard, but do not understand the consequences that voting him in will bring at all.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;50743660]If you guys had any hope left in your fellow americans, this is the time to abandon it. Our country nominated a racist orange guy. Let that sink in. 2016 is an argument against democracy[/QUOTE] With Erdogan, the Brexit, and especially Trump, it's made me realize how much of a false goal Democracy is. In theory, it's great, everyone should get a voice in what happens, but in the end it's bullshit because most people are too ignorant to see what's actually good for them and instead base their vote off rhetoric, and when they don't it ends up fucking over the other 49% of people who saw through all of it.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;50748042]With Erdogan, the Brexit, and especially Trump, it's made me realize how much of a false goal Democracy is. In theory, it's great, everyone should get a voice in what happens, but in the end it's bullshit because most people are too ignorant to see what's actually good for them and instead base their vote off rhetoric, and when they don't it ends up fucking over the other 49% of people who saw through all of it.[/QUOTE] Despite all that, I'll agree with I think Churchill who said, "Democracy is the worst type of government, except when compared to all others".
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50748130]Despite all that, I'll agree with I think Churchill who said, "Democracy is the worst type of government, except when compared to all others".[/QUOTE] I have a shirt my dad gave me some years ago with a quote on the front by Churchill criticizing socialism and another doing the same thing by Margaret Thatcher. I think I should burn it soon. I personally prefer churchill's quote about Americans always doing the right thing, (After exhausting all the other alternatives).
I am so fucking excited for the day he becomes president, there is just way too much ridiculous shit in this thread to respond to. People thinking they are more enlightened than other people because they are left wing yet buying into and repeating whatever the fuck the media tells them to believe in, saying that democracy is a fucking BAD thing, what the fuck has this place come to? At least when he is elected the ridiculous threads here will stop, guys you aren't buying anyone into your cause by labeling people as racists and idiots for wanting to vote for someone who you don't want to vote for. I am honestly really disgusted by this whole election just because of all the media manipulation and lack of respect towards others ideas and principles.
kill me please
[QUOTE=igamiwarr;50753701]I am so fucking excited for the day he becomes president, there is just way too much ridiculous shit in this thread to respond to. People thinking they are more enlightened than other people because they are left wing yet buying into and repeating whatever the fuck the media tells them to believe in, saying that democracy is a fucking BAD thing, what the fuck has this place come to? At least when he is elected the ridiculous threads here will stop, guys you aren't buying anyone into your cause by labeling people as racists and idiots for wanting to vote for someone who you don't want to vote for. I am honestly really disgusted by this whole election just because of all the media manipulation and lack of respect towards others ideas and principles.[/QUOTE] I don't know about you, but I'm making my judgements of GOP's ideas and nominee from [I]reading their platform and watching the fucking convention[/I], not from what the evil liberal media tells me.
[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;50744931]Are people honestly saying Trump is pro LGBT? Last year when gay marriage got legalized country wide he said this: [media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/614434531861512193 [/media] Yes, it's not him saying it himself but the people manning his twitter would have been told what to say and what Trump's stances are. Trump is a bigoted piece of shit who flip flops hard.[/QUOTE] i know too many people that take trump at his current word as if what he said last week didn't exist. ya he's gotten 'better' because the RNC has him on a leash, but he's still the same person that makes these terrible remarks and basically is a goosestepping moron
[QUOTE=igamiwarr;50753701]I am so fucking excited for the day he becomes president, there is just way too much ridiculous shit in this thread to respond to. People thinking they are more enlightened than other people because they are left wing yet buying into and repeating whatever the fuck the media tells them to believe in, saying that democracy is a fucking BAD thing, what the fuck has this place come to? At least when he is elected the ridiculous threads here will stop, guys you aren't buying anyone into your cause by labeling people as racists and idiots for wanting to vote for someone who you don't want to vote for. I am honestly really disgusted by this whole election just because of all the media manipulation and lack of respect towards others ideas and principles.[/QUOTE] Trumps main backer Peter Thiel has stated democracy and freedom are incompatible. Voting for trump is voting against democracy in the future. You're voting in a future dictator.
[QUOTE=igamiwarr;50753701]I am so fucking excited for the day he becomes president, there is just way too much ridiculous shit in this thread to respond to. People thinking they are more enlightened than other people because they are left wing yet buying into and repeating whatever the fuck the media tells them to believe in, saying that democracy is a fucking BAD thing, what the fuck has this place come to? At least when he is elected the ridiculous threads here will stop, guys you aren't buying anyone into your cause by labeling people as racists and idiots for wanting to vote for someone who you don't want to vote for. I am honestly really disgusted by this whole election just because of all the media manipulation and lack of respect towards others ideas and principles.[/QUOTE] Believe me, democracy can be terrible It's not rooted in justice, ethics, or principles. It's the will of the majority When the majority is wrong, the decision is bad. I don't see how you don't see it
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