Anti-Defamation League study claims 1 in 4 people in the world anti-Semitic

[Eudoxia]

[QUOTE=draugur;44828925]They'll be able to hit us, they're a U.S. government backed shit fest, there's enough money being thrown around their way to give Scrooge McDuck a heart attack. This isn't some North Korean sea-diving missile system with a rigged dirty bomb warhead on it, this would be top of the line shit. Israel's essentially a militaristic theocracy. Plus even if a few missiles don't hit, once one nuclear missile is launched, every nuclear capable country in the world is going to be on the brink of nuclear war, regardless of being hit.[/QUOTE]

Modern nuclear ICBMs can go through very sophisticated missile shields - Especially ones that don't exist.

You don't even need to hit anything though. A missile and mobile launch platform could be stored in a container ship, then launched from the sea to detonate in the ionosphere above the East Coast. It would take months, but the death tolls from the lack of working infrastructure would kill far more than most nuclear bomb.

[Ogopogo]

[quote]Nearly half have never heard of the Holocaust, and only a third believe historical descriptions are accurate, the survey found.[/quote]
To be entirely fair, I can understand how this could be. When you think of the world, and that they have said they have 88% of the world population was represented in the survey, how many of those people have poor education? And to be entirely honest, if you never had heard of the holocaust, and someone just told you about it, would you be skeptical at all? I know I still doubt some historical figures from the second world war on a variety of things, and even now documents that were forgotten are found again and put a different light on things.
[quote]In Asia, less than a quarter of respondents had heard of the Holocaust and believed historical accounts are accurate. In sub-Saharan Africa, that figured dropped to 12%; in the Middle East and North Africa, 8%.[/quote]
And this is exactly what I mean, yet did they really go and count it as one or two poinst towards being anti-Semitic?

[quote]too much power over the U.S. government; [/quote]
I also feel this one is starting to border into outrageous, or needed to be defined further. This almost feels like a sort of bait question to me; it is very easy to say that the Jews population have such an influence over US politics, entirely because of their voting population and the US relations with Israel in the middle east in the US's interests

One of the comments on CNN sums up my thoughts pretty well.
[quote]Present a survey this sloppy with conclusions that are as unfounded in a business environment and you would be FIRED.[/quote]

[Wizards Court]

[QUOTE=Untouch;44828625]greece hates everyone[/QUOTE]

the greeks have ALWAYS hated everyone(including each other), see ancient greece :v:

[Rocâ„¢]

[QUOTE=Untouch;44828625]greece hates everyone[/QUOTE]

No wonder, everyone else has more money than Greece, so they jelly.

[Sobotnik]

[QUOTE=Ogopogo;44828967]I also feel this one is starting to border into outrageous, or needed to be defined further. This almost feels like a sort of bait question to me; it is very easy to say that the Jews population have such an influence over US politics, entirely because of their voting population and the US relations with Israel in the middle east in the US's interests

One of the comments on CNN sums up my thoughts pretty well.[/QUOTE]

The questions are explicitly outlined in the source:

[quote]1) Jews are more loyal to Israel than to [this country/the countries they live in].
2) Jews have too much power in the business world.
3) Jews have too much power in international financial markets.
4) Jews don’t care about what happens to anyone but their own kind.
5) Jews have too much control over global affairs.
6) People hate Jews because of the way Jews behave.
7) Jews think they are better than other people.
8) Jews have too much control over the United States government.
9) Jews have too much control over the global media.
10) Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust.
11) Jews are responsible for most of the world’s wars[/quote]

[editline]17th May 2014[/editline]

Taken altogether, it's pretty obvious they are talking about the "Zionist conspiracy" or "New World order" or "The Protocols" or shite like that.

People who answer to 3 or more of those are most probably antisemites.

[Melnek]

[QUOTE=Eudoxia;44828802]Why aren't those individuals complicit? Other than children and people who dodged the draft and left the country, every other Israeli is or was in the IDF.[/QUOTE]

This is an outright ridiculous generalization.

Most people who serve in the IDF have never shot at someone let alone set foot inside Gaza/West Bank. Most go through basic training and then serve three years doing nothing but hang around in military bases around the country.

You are seriously implying that anyone who has ever had anything to do with the IDF personally shot and killed countless of Palestinian children. I don't understand why you need this explained to you.

[Sableye]

im pretty sure 1/4 people in the world doesn't give a fuck about jews in general since jeudism doesn't have any influence where they are. i mean asia has like what half the world's population, and of that, i know theres not much of a jewish population there

[editline]16th May 2014[/editline]

also like over half the world has been under the boot of the USSR and crazy dictatorships for the last 60 years, so ya places like china not understanding the holocaust kinda makes sense, as well they don't even know about their own holocausts that have happened in their recent history, except for the one the japanese did, not the ones the government has done

[ExplosiveCheese]

I'm confused, is this poll based on people who don't care for the Jewish religion or the Jewish people? I'm somewhat surprised Armenia and Greece have rates like that. (They do however, have their own orthodox churches, respectively). Malaysia has a massive Islamic population, so that's understandable.

[Ogopogo]

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;44829036]The questions are explicitly outlined in the source:

[quote]1) Jews are more loyal to Israel than to [this country/the countries they live in].
2) Jews have too much power in the business world.
3) Jews have too much power in international financial markets.
4) Jews don’t care about what happens to anyone but their own kind.
5) Jews have too much control over global affairs.
6) People hate Jews because of the way Jews behave.
7) Jews think they are better than other people.
8) Jews have too much control over the United States government.
9) Jews have too much control over the global media.
10) Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust.
11) Jews are responsible for most of the world’s wars[/quote]

Taken altogether, it's pretty obvious they are talking about the "Zionist conspiracy" or "New World order" or "The Protocols" or shite like that.

People who answer to 3 or more of those are most probably antisemites.[/QUOTE]

I've looked at the source, and I still think this is a very poorly done survey, because so many of the things are ambiguous, and forced into a binary scale, not a continuum. Just taking the list for instance.

[quote]1) Jews are more loyal to Israel than to [this country/the countries they live in]. [/quote]
Yes, (because of in my experience the Jewish community in my area has heavy ties to Israel through family and/or other reasons).
VS
Yes, (because Jewish people cannot be trusted because of their worship of Israel).

Or for a better example.
[quote]8) Jews have too much control over the United States government. [/quote]

Yes, (but only because of the US interests in Israel, and the large voting population that support Israel strongly).
VS
Yes, (because Jewish people have infiltrated US government and have it under their control).

Binary makes for a poor survey, especially with several ambiguous, or open questions.

The wording of the questions do not help either. Rather than take a neutral. "Do Jews have too much control over global affairs? (Yes/No). They use a less neutral approach, where they have to agree and disagree. Furthermore, "don't know" and the like, had to be volunteered; it wasn't asked. The questions asked were rather broad, and could have been tailored different for each region to better mesh with things such as education or culture, which could skew the data when it isn't help. finally, it doesn't help that ADL's the one doing the survey with all the other issues. They are hardly an unbiased group, and they could benefit from "negative" results in a number of areas.

There is one more thing from the CNN page that caught my eye too.
[quote]4 out of 4 are anti-someone. Welcome to planet earth.[/quote]
I would like to see the results here when compared against other religions and/or races. There is far more reason for concern or note when the anti-semitic "rates" stand out far above other comparisons, compared to a poorly educated area not being accepting of anything outside their culture.

[Not DuCT]

[QUOTE]6) People hate Jews because of the way Jews behave. [/QUOTE]

Why else would someone hate Jews?

[the420DEWD]

[QUOTE=Ogopogo;44829364]I've looked at the source, and I still think this is a very poorly done survey, because so many of the things are ambiguous, and forced into a binary scale, not a continuum. Just taking the list for instance.

Yes, (because of in my experience the Jewish community in my area has heavy ties to Israel through family and/or other reasons).
VS
Yes, (because Jewish people cannot be trusted because of their worship of Israel).

Or for a better example.

Yes, (but only because of the US interests in Israel, and the large voting population that support Israel strongly).
VS
Yes, (because Jewish people have infiltrated US government and have it under their control).

Binary makes for a poor survey, especially with several ambiguous, or open questions.

The wording of the questions do not help either. Rather than take a neutral. "Do Jews have too much control over global affairs? (Yes/No). They use a less neutral approach, where they have to agree and disagree. Furthermore, "don't know" and the like, had to be volunteered; it wasn't asked. The questions asked were rather broad, and could have been tailored different for each region to better mesh with things such as education or culture, which could skew the data when it isn't help. finally, it doesn't help that ADL's the one doing the survey with all the other issues. They are hardly an unbiased group, and they could benefit from "negative" results in a number of areas.

There is one more thing from the CNN page that caught my eye too.

I would like to see the results here when compared against other religions and/or races. There is far more reason for concern or note when the anti-semitic "rates" stand out far above other comparisons, compared to a poorly educated area not being accepting of anything outside their culture.[/QUOTE]

This is exactly the sort of point I was trying to make. Conducting such a biased survey, the purpose of which is obviously to promote support of Jews/promote opposition to anti-semitism, is too pro-semetic to mean anything when it discusses antisemitism.

[FPSMango]

[QUOTE=Swebonny;44828761]Only dumb people judge individuals based on what the government of the country they are living in is doing.[/QUOTE]

Then 1 in 4 people are stupid, a figure that I'd mostly agree with.

Just for the record I myself have nothing against jews in general, just those that use their current position to exploit other people and play the anti-Semite card to bar any criticism of themselves.

[Sobotnik]

[QUOTE=Ogopogo;44829364]Yes, (because of in my experience the Jewish community in my area has heavy ties to Israel through family and/or other reasons).
VS
Yes, (because Jewish people cannot be trusted because of their worship of Israel).[/quote]

Except again this is a stereotypical view. Your experience does not apply to all Jews. A small subset of Jews you happened to meet have strong ties to Israel. So what? The point of the question comes back to the stereotype that world Jewry are secretly altogether in a plot to promote the interests of Israel and the Jews. This antisemitic worldwide is nonsense.

[quote]Yes, (but only because of the US interests in Israel, and the large voting population that support Israel strongly).
VS
Yes, (because Jewish people have infiltrated US government and have it under their control).[/quote]

Again how do you mean this? The second opinion means nothing. Jews make up a portion of the population and are entitled to the right to vote. If people vote for the United States to have strong diplomatic ties with Israel, what is the problem? The point is that the "Too much power" implies that they gained additional power to influence and control the US government more than democratic assembly would allow. Again, it's a nonsense view.

[quote]The wording of the questions do not help either. Rather than take a neutral. "Do Jews have too much control over global affairs? (Yes/No). They use a less neutral approach, where they have to agree and disagree. Furthermore, "don't know" and the like, had to be volunteered; it wasn't asked. The questions asked were rather broad, and could have been tailored different for each region to better mesh with things such as education or culture, which could skew the data when it isn't help. finally, it doesn't help that ADL's the one doing the survey with all the other issues. They are hardly an unbiased group, and they could benefit from "negative" results in a number of areas.[/QUOTE]

well if you read the actual paper here: [url]http://global100.adl.org/public/ADL-Global-100-Executive-Summary.pdf[/url] you can see where they address these points

For instance it sets out the difference between those who have heard of the holocaust, and those who have heard of it, but believe on faith that it was invented or exaggerated.

[quote]Nearly a third of respondents who have heard of the Holocaust, 32 percent, think it is either a myth or has been greatly exaggerated.[/quote]

Methodology too:

[quote]The data is a result of 53,100 total interviews among citizens aged 18 and over, across 101
countries and the Palestinian Territories in the West Bank & Gaza. Expected margin of
sampling error for the weighted global average is +/- 0.97%, for the countries/territories
surveyed with n=500 interviews it is +/- 4.4% and for countries sampled with n=1,000
interviews it is +/- 3.2%. The margin of error is higher for sub-groups within each geography[/quote]

[Explosions]

[quote]7) Jews think they are better than other people.[/quote]

Well I would technically have to agree because this is pretty much a core tenet of their religion, but I don't think that's the type of answer they're looking for.

[ConcreteBath]

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;44828780][url]http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-semitism[/url]
[/QUOTE]

No he's right since Semite means
[quote]a member of a group of people originally of southwestern Asia that includes Jews and Arabs[/quote]
[url]http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/semite[/url]
it's not to much of a leap to make the assumption that anti-semite means that. It doesn't though, since languages change over time etc. Stop being a condescending.

[Sobotnik]

[QUOTE=The Aussie;44829487]No he's right since Semite means

[url]http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/semite[/url]
it's not to much of a leap to make the assumption that anti-semite means that. It doesn't though, since languages change over time etc. Stop being a condescending.[/QUOTE]

except its commonly accepted in academia, by governments, ngos, dictionaries, and most people who have read at least 3 wikipedia articles that anti-semitism has a specific term

again this makes me question why people want to change a term, and it sounds more like the change is wanted out of spite rather than an actual confusion over the term

[Starpluck]

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;44829036]1) Jews are more loyal to Israel than to [this country/the countries they live in].
2) Jews have too much power in the business world.
3) Jews have too much power in international financial markets.
4) Jews don’t care about what happens to anyone but their own kind.
5) Jews have too much control over global affairs.
6) People hate Jews because of the way Jews behave.
7) Jews think they are better than other people.
8) Jews have too much control over the United States government.
9) Jews have too much control over the global media.
10) Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust.
11) Jews are responsible for most of the world’s wars[/quote]This tactic is well known from pro-Israeli groups. It is well known there is no word for Zionist or pro-Israeli in Arabic. Jews is used as the closet approximation/translation, so when the ADL translated Jews into Arabic they knew what they were doing. That's why the "highest-levels" are in Arabic countries and why Iran (which has the proper word) is much less. MEMRI used to do this all the time.

[Rangergxi]

[QUOTE=Explosions;44829486]Well I would technically have to agree because this is pretty much a core tenet of their religion, but I don't think that's the type of answer they're looking for.[/QUOTE]

Well who doesn't?

[27X]

[quote]Overall, 26% believed at least six of the stereotypes -- a figure representing an estimated 1.1 billion people.[/quote]

[quote]Three quarters of the people surveyed said they've never met a Jewish person.[/quote]

[the420DEWD]

[QUOTE=Starpluck;44829522]This tactic is well known from pro-Israeli groups. It is well known there is no word for Zionist or pro-Israeli in Arabic. Jews is used as the closet approximation/translation, so when the ADL translated Jews into Arabic they knew what they were doing. That's why the "highest-levels" are in Arabic countries and why Iran (which has the proper word) is much less. MEMRI used to do this all the time.[/QUOTE]

Which would explain why they specify the survey is conducted in the native language.

[Ogopogo]

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;44829475]-Stuff A-[/quote]
[quote]-stuff A-[/quote]

And now you are breaking down examples of what someone might have thought responding to the question which I simply made up on the spot. It doesn't matter if it was right or wrong in the circumstance of the question being asked, but a yes with a caveat attached, or a no for that matter, is entirely different than a strict yes or no. A binary system is an awful system for surveys, especially ones which things should be measured on a continuum.

[quote]well if you read the actual paper here: [url]http://global100.adl.org/public/ADL-Global-100-Executive-Summary.pdf[/url] you can see where they address these points

For instance it sets out the difference between those who have heard of the holocaust, and those who have heard of it, but believe on faith that it was invented or exaggerated.

Methodology too:[/QUOTE]

I have read the paper, and it does little of the sort to dispel such doubts. It acknowledges them (I have also read other materials on the matter) but does nothing to prove that it is not a factor save a very weak defense.\

[Sobotnik]

also it seems like antisemitism is alive and well on the forum:

[url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1394246&p=44830042&viewfull=1#post44830042[/url]

[Melnek]

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;44830232]also it seems like antisemitism is alive and well on the forum:

[url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1394246&p=44830042&viewfull=1#post44830042[/url][/QUOTE]

Or, it's merely humor.
I don't see why you act like SH is turning into a Stormfront clone.

[Thlis]

[QUOTE=Melnek;44830345]Or, it's merely humor.
I don't see why you act like SH is turning into a Stormfront clone.[/QUOTE]

So if there was a news article on a crime committed by a black person do you think it would be acceptable to post a racist caricature?

[ConcreteBath]

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;44830232]also it seems like antisemitism is alive and well on the forum:

[url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1394246&p=44830042&viewfull=1#post44830042[/url][/QUOTE]

I thought that was a poke at stormfront's "greedy jews" philosophy. Facepunch does have this bizzare islamaphobia problem and a tendency to not really understand the world. For example, the comment in the Brazil mugging thread about "Not wanting to go to south american without a bodyguard".

[Explosions]

[QUOTE=The Aussie;44830498]I thought that was a poke at stormfront's "greedy jews" philosophy. Facepunch does have this bizzare islamaphobia problem and a tendency to not really understand the world. For example, the comment in the Brazil mugging thread about "Not wanting to go to south american without a bodyguard".[/QUOTE]

Why is "Islamophobia" a problem, if it's a real thing?

[Mr. Bix]

[QUOTE=DuCT;44829422]Why else would someone hate Jews?[/QUOTE]

just because they're jews

[Sobotnik]

[QUOTE=The Aussie;44830498]I thought that was a poke at stormfront's "greedy jews" philosophy.[/QUOTE]

its a picture of a racist caricature without context

[QUOTE=Melnek;44830345]Or, it's merely humor.
I don't see why you act like SH is turning into a Stormfront clone.[/QUOTE]

if it was more than a picture by itself i'd see your point

[lazyguy]

[QUOTE=Silikone;44828735]Anti-Semitism is a buzzword. Palestinians are Semitic just like Jews.[/QUOTE]

And homophobia is just fear of the similar!

[Spazi]

[QUOTE=DuCT;44829422]Why else would someone hate Jews?[/QUOTE]

Prejudice.