• Anti-Defamation League study claims 1 in 4 people in the world anti-Semitic
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[QUOTE=Omali;44828629]Several members of my family believes that the Jews control the media, are all incredibly wealthy, and apparently fall back on the Holocaust to guilt what they want out of people, so I'm not surprised at this finding.[/QUOTE] [img]http://i.imgur.com/QH5jtuV.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;44828656]this isn't an excuse to be anti-semitic though[/QUOTE] It's not an excuse but it's an explaination. People are idiots.
To be fair they actually do have a majority of wealth and control over the media. Then again in my case its not anti-semitism, i hate everyone.
[QUOTE=Skela;44831179]To be fair they actually do have a majority of wealth and control over the media. Then again in my case its not anti-semitism, i hate everyone.[/QUOTE] hows life being edgy
[QUOTE=Explosions;44830558]Why is "Islamophobia" a problem, if it's a real thing?[/QUOTE] because I've had two friends have the shit kicked out of them due to it, and this sort of thing happens all around England? 'Islamophobia' might on a surface level be about being against Islam, but in practice it usually turns out 'anti-brown people'. One of my friends was a sikh which is the kicker
This doesn't really surprise me, it doesn't really bother me either.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;44829475] Again how do you mean this? The second opinion means nothing. Jews make up a portion of the population and are entitled to the right to vote. If people vote for the United States to have strong diplomatic ties with Israel, what is the problem? The point is that the "Too much power" implies that they gained additional power to influence and control the US government more than democratic assembly would allow. Again, it's a nonsense view. [/QUOTE] From what I understand about American politics, Jewish voters are found mainly in swing states. Swing states, by virtue of their name, have higher influence on who gets elected than non swing states. Since the population of Jews in the US is 5.5 million, nearly 2%, the Jewish vote plays an extremely important role in the decision of who will become president. If candidate A says he will no longer support diplomatic relations with Israel yet candidate B does, the majority of the Jewish voters will vote for candidate B. Again, since Jews are found mostly in swing states, such a large portion of the population voting against A will 'swing' the vote in the favour of B. This is pretty much the reason why the US still tolerates diplomatic relations with Israel despite the selling of American secrets by the latter. No one candidate is willing to drop support for Israel because (s)he knows that the other candidate(s) will claw on the opportunity to get the vote of a possible 5 million, surely changing the fate of the election.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;44829522]This tactic is well known from pro-Israeli groups. It is well known there is no word for Zionist or pro-Israeli in Arabic. Jews is used as the closet approximation/translation, so when the ADL translated Jews into Arabic they knew what they were doing. That's why the "highest-levels" are in Arabic countries and why Iran (which has the proper word) is much less. MEMRI used to do this all the time.[/QUOTE] How does that explain the non-Arabic countries like Greece?
I'm not a fan of this survey. The questions are far too vague and can be answered in the affirmative without truly being anti-semitic.
[QUOTE=sgman91;44833375]I'm not a fan of this survey. The questions are far too vague and can be answered in the affirmative without truly being anti-semitic.[/QUOTE] [quote]11) Jews are responsible for most of the world’s wars[/quote] well if you say so
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;44833392]well if you say so[/QUOTE] I forgot that I need to state the position specifically and never assume common sense when it comes to FP. Of course I'm not referring to EVERY single question, but at least a few are too vague to be useful and even a single bad question can massively skew the results.
[QUOTE=sgman91;44833424]I forgot that I need to state the position specifically and never assume common sense when it comes to FP. Of course I'm not referring to EVERY single question, but at least a few are too vague to be useful and even a single bad question can massively skew the results.[/QUOTE] Which questions are bad?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;44833392]well if you say so[/QUOTE] Question 6 can be interpreted in different ways.
[QUOTE=Explosions;44829486]Well I would technically have to agree because this is pretty much a core tenet of their religion, but I don't think that's the type of answer they're looking for.[/QUOTE] It's also ironic that one of the core tenets of Christianity and Islam is hating Jews
[QUOTE=Valnar;44833433]Which questions are bad?[/QUOTE] In my opinion, #1, #5, #7, and #8 can all be interpreted as having non-anti semitic affirmative answers. It should also be said that I'm a huge supporter of Israel. So this critique doesn't come from any special animosity.
[QUOTE=sgman91;44833757]In my opinion, #1, #5, #7, and #8 can all be interpreted as having non-anti semitic affirmative answers. It should also be said that I'm a huge supporter of Israel. So this critique doesn't come from any special animosity.[/QUOTE] I see where you're coming from, and if the questions had the qualifier "Some" before the question I would agree. But the questions are made in a way so that they are sweeping generalizations. 1,5,7 are pretty good examples of sweeping questions that would be changed a lot by adding that qualifier. And I see how 8 can have an answer that isn't anti-semetic. However I'd argue that most people in the united states don't know some of the intricacies of swing state votes, let alone most of the world.
[QUOTE=Valnar;44833889]I see where you're coming from, and if the questions had the qualifier "Some" before the question I would agree. But the questions are made in a way so that they are sweeping generalizations. 1,5,7 are pretty good examples of sweeping questions that would be changed a lot by adding that qualifier. And I see how 8 can have an answer that isn't anti-semetic. However I'd argue that most people in the united states don't know some of the intricacies of swing state votes, let alone most of the world.[/QUOTE] Adding the word 'some' wouldn't even fix the questions. Here, let me give some examples of why they aren't phrased well: 1) Jews are more loyal to Israel than to [this country/the countries they live in]. Firstly, did they very specifically tell the people being questioned that these are purely about racial Jews and not religious Jews? If they didn't very specifically specify, then I'm sure quite a few people thought of religious Jews who would of course be more loyal to the country that God, Himself, in the Bible gave to their people then the country they happened to be living in at the time. It isn't at all anti-semitic to believe that. I wouldn't be surprised if the average Palestinian had a whole lot of loyalty to Palestine as well, and as a matter of fact, it wouldn't bother me what-so-ever. When you have a single nation on the entire planet where your people are able to have self-determination (like the Jews) I assume one would tend to have a strong interest in keeping that nation alive and strong. 5) Jews have too much control over global affairs. I can very easily hear someone saying that Jews have too much control because their interests are overrepresented in global decision making, as it relates to Israel. Whether I agree or not with this opinion is irrelevant. The only important bit is that it isn't necessarily anti-semitic. 8) Jews have too much control over the United States government. I hear people say that blacks, as an example, are underrepresented in the US government. This necessarily implies that whites (or whatever other group) are overrepresented and therefore have too much control. Does this imply racism against whites? Of course not. It's simply a concern about equal representation in governmental positions because people tend to be more involved with the concerns of their own group. 7) Jews think they are better than other people. What do they mean by "better?" Jews are wealthier, less impoverished, etc. than the majority of other racial groups around the world, even when a minority. These facts can very easily be construed as being "better."
Well, 1 in 4 people are also jews. COINCIDENCE?
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