Small Business Owners Fight Back Against Occupy Wall Street - Polidicks

[QUOTE=dialogical;33242434]I hate it when people point out fringe elements of the teaparty and go "LOOK AT ALL THESE REDNECKS CLINGING TO THEIR GUNS AND RELIGION." Not that that point is relevant, per se, but this whole stereotyping thing cuts both ways.[/QUOTE] maybe you'd have a leg to stand on if the tea party was the same as it was when it was formed, but i'm pretty sure the non-rednecks are the fringe elements of the tea party now.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;33242512]maybe you'd have a leg to stand on if the tea party was the same as it was when it was formed, but i'm pretty sure the non-rednecks are the fringe elements of the tea party now.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, I should have been clearer. And the center of the teaparty movement has nothing to do with guns or religon (at least not directly).

[QUOTE=dialogical;33242532]I'm sorry, I should have been clearer. And the center of the teaparty movement has nothing to do with guns or religon (at least not directly).[/QUOTE] i get what you mean though, you see it on both sides and it can be irritating. i guess it's just easier to fall into it when you disagree with whatever side you're demonizing.

Hang on. Since when has Fox news cared about small businesses?

[QUOTE=Glaber;33240704]And when even small businesses are being threatened by this movement, you should know full well that the Occupy movement has overstayed its welcome.[/QUOTE] Nah I think it could stay around as long as it wants [editline]12th November 2011[/editline] Godspeed during the winter thouhg

[QUOTE=Nikota;33242562]Hang on. Since when has Fox news cared about small businesses?[/QUOTE] Always really. They just have different views of what small businesses need. They always have some story about how some legislation is going to kill small business, but a lot of the time it's because they just don't like the legislation.

To be perfectly honest, Glaber has a valid point here. I didn't hear anything about the Tea Party's little rallies and get-togethers outside of "HE CALLED ME A WETBACK! OOOOOUTRAAAAAAAAGE" shit. There was no violence, vandalism, and shitbuckets galore being blasted on the news all the time. Which is surprising because most news networks in the United States lean toward the left, if even only a little bit. Surely, there would have had to of been something beyond some not-nice words and mild scuffles. The Occupy movement, however, is on the news in one of two ways. They're being assholes or the cops are beating the ever-loving shit out of them. I tend to agree with a lot of the motives behind the Occupy movement, and I do agree with a select few elements of the Tea Party's train of thought. I suppose you could call me "unbiased" because I agree and disagree to some extent with both. My point is that this movement has caused more problems than it's solved and they're local problems. That's not really a good thing, or any way to accomplish the goals they hope to achieve.

They should all make a pilgrimage to Washington and set up a bigass rally there on the lawn.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;33242738] I do agree with a select few elements of the Tea Party's train of thought. [/QUOTE] Which ones are those?

[QUOTE=OvB;33242745]They should all make a pilgrimage to Washington and set up a bigass rally there on the lawn.[/QUOTE] That's way more effective than camping in front of stores.

It sucks that the businesses around the area are suffering but this needs to be done, so fuck you protester group.

[QUOTE=Contag;33242792]Which ones are those?[/QUOTE]The general reduction of government size, reduction of debt and keeping it that way, less taxes would be nice. (if possible) Now, remember, these are ideas and obviously are thrown out the window as soon as a politician gets into office, but they're still nice to think about sometimes.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;33243164]The general reduction of government size, reduction of debt and keeping it that way, less taxes would be nice. (if possible) Now, remember, these are ideas and obviously are thrown out the window as soon as a politician gets into office, but they're still nice to think about sometimes.[/QUOTE] obama has lowered taxes [editline]12th November 2011[/editline] particularly on the lower classes

It's funny how even legitimate news from Fox that isn't really political is going to have idiots come in and say "LAWL FAUX NEWZ FAIR N BLAANCED *made up overexaggerated headline in bold*"

Small business owners are under serious threat here. Edit: Do they even understand what the occupy dudes are protesting for?

[QUOTE=Falchion;33245207]Small business owners are under serious threat here. Edit: Do they even understand what the occupy dudes are protesting for?[/QUOTE] It's ok to destroy my business and the only income because their intentions are good. You protest for fair life and jobs and yet all you do is take away jobs. I know I wouldn't be pleased.

It really can't be generalized. Some number of businesses are having issues with some protesters, some aren't affected, and some are profiting off the protesters. Quite a range there. It is easy to say that the number of protesters that are causing problems are relatively small, and obviously a small minority cannot represent the majority. But this doesn't mean the small minority shouldn't be criticized, it only means that they shouldn't be portrayed as the majority.

Thinking about this makes me consider if using a tranquilizer on a trespassing protestor (such as the kind that may go into your business for less than legitimate reasons) is considered assault, seeing as though that person would be on your private property. I'm not saying shoot the next hippy-esque person to walk into your store, I'm saying if this person actually came in to start trouble, would you be protected by the law to subdue that person? Also, the protesters staying in the store despite the owner telling them to leave is pretty bad. Admittedly, it isn't a very nice thing to let people stay out in a freezing storm, but the owner has a right to private property. I don't know, maybe I'm not seeing this with the right angle.

Funny how small businesses have a problem with the protesters in New York, but in Oakland they're marching with them and closing down frequently to show solidarity with the protesters.

[QUOTE=dialogical;33242129]Dude, I don't know about anyone else, but you and Zeke have both posted editorials and used them as unbiased sources. Fox is no worse than Olberman (spelling, I know) era MSNBC.[/QUOTE] Except that is completely untrue. Yes, both channels have political pundits on opposite sides of the spectrum, but it's only with Fox, that the line between political commentary and news is so blurry, that it is nearly non-existent. Not only that, but Fox News has a consistent habit of dishing out misinformation on a almost daily basis. They have zero journalistic credibility. I am sick and tired of morons comparing the two channels, when they are clearly not alike.

[QUOTE=dialogical;33242129]Dude, I don't know about anyone else, but you and Zeke have both posted editorials and used them as unbiased sources. Fox is no worse than Olberman (spelling, I know) era MSNBC.[/QUOTE] Oh really? When have I ever posted an Olbermann opinion piece, or rather, when have I posted an editorial that wasn't a video or a direct quote? [editline]12th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Taishu;33246629]Except that is completely untrue. Yes, both channels have political pundits on opposite sides of the spectrum, but it's only with Fox, that the line between political commentary and news is so blurry, that it is nearly non-existent. Not only that, but Fox News has a consistent habit of dishing out misinformation on a almost daily basis. They have zero journalistic credibility. I am sick and tired of morons comparing the two channels, when they are clearly not alike.[/QUOTE] MSNBC is not the Fox News of the Left, it just isn't. Fox News projects a certain kind of political message within its news shows, and unabashedly does it during its opinion shows. MSNBC does a [I]similar[/I] thing with its opinion shows, but during the news shows I would say their bias centers around sensationalism and conflict. Not on a tabloid-esque level, but it's there.

You can't deny the fact that average people are shying away from areas that large amounts of protesters are squa... [I]occupying[/I], lunchbreak is hardly the time to navigate some unpredictable labyrinth of misguided, needy youth. And if you are not an organic soup kitchen (providing handouts), you probably aren't getting much business from them, either. These business owners, who saw a need for money and made it happen for themselves rather than crying about other people's money, have every right to be angry.

[QUOTE=tinos;33253313]You can't deny the fact that average people are shying away from areas that large amounts of protesters are squa... [I]occupying[/I], lunchbreak is hardly the time to navigate some unpredictable labyrinth of misguided, needy youth. And if you are not an organic soup kitchen (providing handouts), you probably aren't getting much business from them, either.[/QUOTE] So this 'misguided, needy youth' (Read: it's a more diverse group than that), has no right to be angry but a handful of 'small business owners' that don't like them DO have a right to be angry?

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33253621]So this 'misguided, needy youth' (Read: it's a more diverse group than that), has no right to be angry but a handful of 'small business owners' that don't like them DO have a right to be angry?[/QUOTE] Yes and yes. The misguided youth *and their government paid professors, are directly hurting the very people they are trying to include in their little act. They literally have no reason to be there complaining about other people's wealth. Don't like it? Figureee ittt outtt, just like the business owners did, just like the wealthy did. Don't agree with how the wealthy got their money? Don't do it their way. Set an example of doing things the 'right' way, by actually going out and doing it the right way. That doesn't include complaining in front of other people's way out of the gutter.

[QUOTE=tinos;33253838]Yes and yes. The misguided youth *and their government paid professors, are directly hurting the very people they are trying to include in their little act. They literally have no reason to be there complaining about other people's wealth. Don't like it? Figureee ittt outtt, just like the business owners did, just like the wealthy did. Don't agree with how the wealthy got their money? Don't do it their way. Set an example of doing things the 'right' way, by actually going out and doing it the right way. That doesn't include complaining in front of other people's way out of the gutter.[/QUOTE] that is a stupid fucking post it does not even merit a legitimate response jesus fucking christ No wonder your country is fucked.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33242004]Nah, not really. He tends to post clearly manipulated articles and quite literally seems to come out with the same patronizing talking points I'd hear over at Fox & Friends. I mean come on, that "these protesters are violent, clearly they've overstayed their welcome" shlock is just preposterous.[/QUOTE] I wish people were this rational regarding articles about Iran, China, Israel and other countries that people tend to stereotype/have bias against.

[QUOTE=tinos;33253838]Yes and yes. The misguided youth *and their government paid professors, are directly hurting the very people they are trying to include in their little act. They literally have no reason to be there complaining about other people's wealth. Don't like it? Figureee ittt outtt, just like the business owners did, just like the wealthy did. Don't agree with how the wealthy got their money? Don't do it their way. Set an example of doing things the 'right' way, by actually going out and doing it the right way. That doesn't include complaining in front of other people's way out of the gutter.[/QUOTE]Um, no. There's a reason we're facing some of our highest levels of income inequality ever. It has nothing to do with "figuring it out" and everything to do with a system of exploitation.

[QUOTE=Contag;33253853]that is a stupid fucking post it does not even merit a legitimate response jesus fucking christ No wonder your country is fucked.[/QUOTE] Those darn motivated people *shakes fist*

[QUOTE=tinos;33253979]Those darn motivated people *shakes fist*[/QUOTE] Please stop posting. Consider how motivated one must be to camp out on the street for months. Then throw your computer out the window.

[QUOTE=Contag;33253998]Please stop posting. Consider how motivated one must be to camp out on the street for months. Then throw your computer out the window.[/QUOTE] Thats not work, thats sitting around waiting for something to happen via external sources. No one's going to solve your personal finance issues for you. That's on you.