Small Business Owners Fight Back Against Occupy Wall Street - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Fedalkyn;33259080]I've heard this argument in conversation before, and where I'd like to believe that to be true, from all I've seen first hand (both voluntarily and involuntarily) It doesn't seem to be the case. I've talked to the people 'in-charge', live amongst the most 'dedicated' members and heard books worth of their reasonings, rallyings and (for all intensive purposes) noise. They're aimless, abrasive, unreasonable, illogical and crass. They seem dedicated only to prolonging their unwanted oxygen wasting convention. Having a ball, making a big mess, getting mean rep with a good excuse to tell their friends/cops/any poor hapless bastard that crosses them.[/QUOTE] Again that might just be the case in your region, and probably one or two places somewhere else. There's lots of this type of movement, and they're all different. Some of them consists of fair and intellectual people, while some of them are just good ol' fashioned douches gathered together.

This whole thing is like the Scientology protests. Looked like a good idea on paper, looked like It'd be fun to run down a clearly fucked-up cult that was ruining peoples lives. A fuckload of internet groups teamed up, garry gave it the green light himself for Facepunch involvement. All attacking together to 'change the world'. Then the people who joined in on the fun had to spout memes and make absolute fucking dipshits of themselves, achieving as-yet undiscovered levels of cringe. They took to the streets with all kinds of wacky getups, chanting, V masks, memes everywhere. Completely undermined the whole thing to the point the people who started the it backed out, wishing the whole thing never happened. It ruined the message they were trying to push, and effectively made it a huge embarrassing joke. It became too cool for its own good, and people always used the original cause as a fall-back excuse to do whatever dipshitted things they wanted. Same shit is happening here, except with 5000% added hippies.

[quote]In recent days, shopkeepers, restaurant owners and others with small businesses located near Zuccotti Park have been quietly meeting to share stories of the damage they say has been caused by Occupy Wall Street: theft of property, vandalism, threats, violence and even incidents involving the throwing of fecal matter. [/quote] [quote] near Zuccotti Park have been quietly meeting to share stories of the damage they say has been caused by Occupy Wall Street: theft of property, vandalism, threats, violence and even incidents involving the throwing of fecal matter. [/quote] [quote]vandalism, threats, violence and even incidents involving the throwing of fecal matter. [/quote] [quote]and even incidents involving the throwing of fecal matter. [/quote] [quote]incidents involving the throwing of fecal matter. [/quote] [quote]the throwing of fecal matter. [/quote] [quote]fecal matter. [/quote] [quote][B]fecal matter.[/B] [/quote] :v::v::v:

You may think it's a joke, but even where I live they shit everywhere. It's disgusting. You're not even allowed to let your dog do that, yet there are people popping squats in the name of freedom in the middle of the CBD, in front of council buildings and businesses.

[QUOTE=Fedalkyn;33259696]You may think it's a joke, but even where I live they shit everywhere. It's disgusting. You're not even allowed to let your dog do that, yet there are people popping squats in the name of freedom in the middle of the CBD, in front of council buildings and businesses.[/QUOTE] Seems like you live in the very definition of a shithole. Maybe that explains everything.

i find it funny that the more people try to denounce OWS, the more popular it gets regardless. I also like how plenty of right-wingers support ideals which ends in them being fucked in the asshole, such as these small business owners. Remember those proposed tax increases on the rich found in the Obama Jobs Bill? And remember how John Boehner said that those increases would hurt small businesses? [url]http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/nov/10/john-boehner/boehner-equates-taxing-millionaires-hurting-small-/[/url] so.. yeah

So basically they want to prepare a protest because the police is failing to maintain public order in vicinity of their shops - well, mostly that and people being filthy as shit. They aren't protesting the OWS movement, they're protesting the fact that the movement taking place in that location is basically shitting up the place because some people there are filthy/thieves and are making everyone's lives miserable.

[QUOTE=Fedalkyn;33259080]I've heard this argument in conversation before, and where I'd like to believe that to be true, from all I've seen first hand (both voluntarily and involuntarily) It doesn't seem to be the case. I've talked to the people 'in-charge', live amongst the most 'dedicated' members and heard books worth of their reasonings, rallyings and (for all intensive purposes) noise. They're aimless, abrasive, unreasonable, illogical and crass. They seem dedicated only to prolonging their unwanted oxygen wasting convention. Having a ball, making a big mess, getting mean rep with a good excuse to tell their friends/cops/any poor hapless bastard that crosses them.[/QUOTE] You should probably understand that the movement in New Zealand is quite different from the movement in New York, California, or Spain. [editline]13th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Fedalkyn;33259202]This whole thing is like the Scientology protests. Looked like a good idea on paper, looked like It'd be fun to run down a clearly fucked-up cult that was ruining peoples lives. A fuckload of internet groups teamed up, garry gave it the green light himself for Facepunch involvement. All attacking together to 'change the world'. Then the people who joined in on the fun had to spout memes and make absolute fucking dipshits of themselves, achieving as-yet undiscovered levels of cringe. They took to the streets with all kinds of wacky getups, chanting, V masks, memes everywhere. Completely undermined the whole thing to the point the people who started the it backed out, wishing the whole thing never happened. It ruined the message they were trying to push, and effectively made it a huge embarrassing joke. It became too cool for its own good, and people always used the original cause as a fall-back excuse to do whatever dipshitted things they wanted. Same shit is happening here, except with 5000% added hippies.[/QUOTE] Quantifiably false. I've been to my local protests and watched multiple livestreams of those in Oakland, LA, San Francisco, Chicago, and New York. It simply isn't like that.

[QUOTE=Sega Saturn;33255338]"Those protestors out there are indecent slackers who are getting in the way of real, hardworking people!" [img]http://media.syracuse.com/news/photo/10216140-large.jpg[/img] Above: Not happening[/QUOTE] Those aren't soldiers. The guy on the left is wearing a Marine Corps jacket and a Navy cap. The guy on the right appears to be wearing an Army uniform, of which the boonie cap is not a part of. The guy behind them appears to be wearing woodland camo, which hasn't been in use for 20+ years. These are simply protestors dressing up as soldiers in an attempt to bring either legitimacy to their cause, or to make themselves the center of undeserved attention and thanks.

[QUOTE=Ridge;33264393]Those aren't soldiers. The guy on the left is wearing a Marine Corps jacket and a Navy cap. The guy on the right appears to be wearing an Army uniform, of which the boonie cap is not a part of. The guy behind them appears to be wearing woodland camo, which hasn't been in use for 20+ years. These are simply protestors dressing up as soldiers in an attempt to bring either legitimacy to their cause, or to make themselves the center of undeserved attention and thanks.[/QUOTE] This just in: no veterans exist over the age of 40. Also, how about some citations there, friend. I'd love to see the photo depictions of common modern and outdated uniforms you used to come to those conclusions.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33254561]There's no problem with the businesses being upset with the irresponsible vandals. The problem arises when these people attribute any and all irresponsible vandals to the protests and generalize the protesters as irresponsible vandals. This Fox News article is essentially saying the protesters are like this, and are to blame. Don't believe me, just look at their more opinionated sub-section, Fox Nation. One of the top headlines regularly makes use of phrases like "Occupy savages" or "Occupy goons".[/QUOTE] Fair enough. Sorry for the late reply, though. Anyways, so what can any of these parties do? I mean the simplest solution would be to have police officers keep watch on streets where there's particularly high protester traffic, but then again, the city government probably wouldn't want to do something like that because that kind of contradicts what their stance on the entire protest is. Unless I need to read the OP and deploying officers to the protests to safeguard businesses is something they *would* in fact be willing to do.

[QUOTE=Ridge;33264393]Those aren't soldiers. The guy on the left is wearing a Marine Corps jacket and a Navy cap. The guy on the right appears to be wearing an Army uniform, of which the boonie cap is not a part of. The guy behind them appears to be wearing woodland camo, which hasn't been in use for 20+ years. These are simply protestors dressing up as soldiers in an attempt to bring either legitimacy to their cause, or to make themselves the center of undeserved attention and thanks.[/QUOTE] Hate to break this to you Ridge, but you're wrong on at least the first criticism. The Navy uniform is proper, here are some more folks in it: [t]http://www.usnavy.com/images/navy_uniform.jpg[/t] This turned up the first search I did for the current naval uniform, and continued for several pages worth of results. This was the Marine Corps uniform: [t]http://www.uniforms-4u.com/Productimages/9958/big-u-usmc-officer-dress-white-15148.jpg[/t] Which turned up on my first search for the marine uniform, and continued for several pages. [editline]13th November 2011[/editline] Oh, and there is a US Army uniform with that cap: [t]http://defense-update.com/images_lr/acp_uniform.jpg[/t] [t]http://media.trb.com/media/photo/2011-03/334309840-29132345.jpg[/t] [editline]13th November 2011[/editline] And to debunk the final criticism, woodland pattern camouflage was in use for the M81 Battle Uniform from 1981, and has been phased out only recently, in 2005. It's not unreasonable that a younger veteran would be wearing an outfit with that pattern.

[QUOTE=Fedalkyn;33259696]You may think it's a joke, but even where I live they shit everywhere. It's disgusting. You're not even allowed to let your dog do that, yet there are people popping squats in the name of freedom in the middle of the CBD, in front of council buildings and businesses.[/QUOTE] what city do you live in? i didn't even know there was any occupy whatever stuff going on here

[quote]Joshua Shepard, 27, left, a Navy veteran from San Francisco, California, and Kyle Quigley, 27, right, an Army veteran from Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, lead a march of military veterans past the New York Stock Exchange to join and support the Occupy Wall Street Protest at Zuccotti Park on November 2, 2011 in New York. About 100 military veterans joined the Occupy Wall Street protest. [/quote] Yeah nice try there Ridge. [url]http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2011/11/occupy-wall-street-7-weeks-in/100183/#img15[/url]

[QUOTE=Man Without Hat;33258352]'Occupying' a place isn't going to affect the major corporations [B]at all[/B]. That's why they're satirically throwing fliers (E.G. McDonald's job applications). [/QUOTE] The point of them occupying places is not to have a direct effect, it is to make people constantly aware of their point and making sure people do not forget it. Protesters have done it for decades (centuries?) and it has been very successful.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33262790]You should probably understand that the movement in New Zealand is quite different from the movement in New York, California, or Spain. [editline]13th November 2011[/editline] Quantifiably false. I've been to my local protests and watched multiple livestreams of those in Oakland, LA, San Francisco, Chicago, and New York. It simply isn't like that.[/QUOTE] That's your impression, that doesn't make mine false. I've followed this since the very beginning, before people were on the streets even. I've watched streams too. I [I]live[/I] with these sort of people, and they bring home their fair share of internationals who are of the very same ilk. I've read, listened to, been practically lectured about the whole thing. My conclusions don't simply come from base resentment, they come from the sum of all the shit I've seen and heard, with every desire that this movement isn't an embarrassing and damaging waste of time. I want them to succeed, but they [I]are[/I] making a mockery of themselves, turning people who could make a difference away and probably hampering any future efforts because of the inevitable backlash and stereotypes they are creating.

[QUOTE=Fedalkyn;33267906]That's your impression, that doesn't make mine false. I've followed this since the very beginning, before people were on the streets even. I've watched streams too. I [I]live[/I] with these sort of people, and they bring home their fair share of internationals who are of the very same ilk. I've read, listened to, been practically lectured about the whole thing. My conclusions don't simply come from base resentment, they come from the sum of all the shit I've seen and heard, with every desire that this movement isn't an embarrassing and damaging waste of time. I want them to succeed, but they [I]are[/I] making a mockery of themselves, turning people who could make a difference away and probably hampering any future efforts because of the inevitable backlash and stereotypes they are creating.[/QUOTE] Look, I understand you may have a specific experience, but even from what I've seen of [B]just the New Zealand protests,[/B] what you're saying is false. Auckland: [img]http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/313579_310848558925221_294717643871646_1362872_1602337500_n.jpg[/img] [img]http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/305348_310849368925140_294717643871646_1362899_1268695155_n.jpg[/img] [img]http://hphotos-iad1.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s720x720/300641_306512936025450_294717643871646_1346273_1565065859_n.jpg[/img] Christchurch: [img]http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/389489_133622903409107_122557837848947_151135_372680880_n.jpg[/img] [img]http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/380185_133623570075707_122557837848947_151157_723027780_n.jpg[/img] Where's the rampant crime and fecal matter? Where's the "making a mockery of the protests"? I just don't see it.

Try the USA. [QUOTE=Jsm;33267467]The point of them occupying places is not to have a direct effect, it is to make people constantly aware of their point and making sure people do not forget it. Protesters have done it for decades (centuries?) and it has been very successful.[/QUOTE] With the multiple reports of violence, I think people have forgotten their point.

[QUOTE=Glaber;33269291]Try the USA. With the multiple reports of violence, I think people have forgotten their point.[/QUOTE] according to your declaration of independence and the ideological underpinnings of Locke, the protesters should have been voting from the rooftops a long time ago

[QUOTE=Glaber;33269291]With the multiple reports of violence, I think people have forgotten their point.[/QUOTE] Only the people that were against it in the first place or at least predisposed to their own negativity say this. As for the USA, it's quite plain what kinds of people these are: [t]http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/2011/10/10/news/economy/occupy_wall_street_protest/occupy-wall-street-rich-homes.gi.top.jpg[/t] [t]http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2011/10/11/172687-occupy-wall-street-moves-uptown.jpg[/t] [t]http://editorial.equities.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Occupy-Wall-Street-e1320702611177.jpg[/t]

[QUOTE=Glaber;33269291]Try the USA. With the multiple reports of violence, I think people have forgotten their point.[/QUOTE] why don't you look at the context of posts? they were clearly discussing the occupy movement in NZ

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[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33269473]*pictures of people protesting[/QUOTE] Great. Lovely. You've got one of the five minute intervals of glorious early protest marches captured by some impoverished individual with a $5000 camera, computer and internet access. You haven't been in and amongst the people. If you have, you haven't been exposed to them for very long. They are never going to post pictures of anything bad they've done to anyone. They want their façade to be shown and nothing else. I've seen thousands of these photos. You can take thousands of photos a minute showing all kinds of apparently good things. However, I've seen this shit first hand, I forcibly am a part of these people, and, as I have said, they make the impression they are doing good for their own selfishness. Of course they're gonna post pictures of themselves taking a dump on public property! Come on... I know these people intimately. The head hippy I talk about has thousands of dollars worth of photography equipment and does photography as a hobby. They are never going to photograph any wrong doing on their part. they know what they are doing, they're professionals in their own game. They are trying to maximise their excuse to be there with as much rhetoric as they possibly can. They do this kind of thing my god damned living room, and now they have an excuse to do it in the middle of [I]everyone's[/I] business, not just mine. Even then, they still do it in my living room. I'm not forewarned, asked if it's okay, If I wanted to do anything in my own home. If I want to cook dinner or watch the news. It's not like they care, if they come en' mass. What can I do? They are masters of imposing, that's how they function, that's how they get on. It's their group mentality, and this movement is to them like a fresh buffalo carcass is to a starving lion. They have descended upon it to feast and you'd be wary of trying to separate them from the meal. In those photos they're selling their crafts and having gatherings the same as they always do. They seem harmless and friendly and so on, but they're not supposed to be there, they're getting in people's way, they are being a direct nuisance to people and their livelihoods. They've got their excuses and chants memorised and they're well practised in using them. They will remind you to your face of how good a turn they are doing to you whilst pissing on your lawn, because they can justify themselves and they stand together in force. They take the moral high-ground and insult you from it's safety. You feel helpless, they make everyone who isn't them, or agree with them a pariah. One of them had a girlfriend from outside the group, she wasn't in line with their crap. and they fell out with him. They agreed that people who 'don't get it' are like lost, tragic causes who don't know what they're missing. Supposedly. They can't handle people who have different views, people who do are treated as plebeians. They create and believe their own bullshit. They live in their own world. I've had to listen to their conversations, they circle jerk and pat each other on the back to reassure each other of their own delusions so they can continue justifying their behaviour, even though me and many, many others are taking a loss for their utter crap. The make absolute monstrosities of montages of pictures just like those to convince themselves and people who do not know, or don't want to believe any better. This isn't new to me, and I know better than to take those images at face value any more. I learned the hard way. A large, perhaps overwhelming percentage of these people are like this, really, [I]really,[/I] don't want that to be the case, but it is. That's why this protest may fall flat, and the efforts of people who seriously care about the cause with go to waste.

See that little notebook icon at the bottom-left part of every post? Click on it. You will see 4 options: *Spam *Warez *Flaming/Trolling *Cancel Select number 3 from that list and click. That is the only response to Glaber threads.

Business tip: Go out and sell your stuff to the movement. If you don't have enough people to meet the increased demand, hire people from the movement. Cashflow and positive PR all around.

[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;33270708]See that little notebook icon at the bottom-left part of every post? Click on it. You will see 4 options: *Spam *Warez *Flaming/Trolling *Cancel Select number 3 from that list and click. That is the only response to Glaber threads.[/QUOTE] I disagree. He has a different opinion. Sure it makes us all angry, but it isn't intentional on his part, he is merely sharing his opinion as he has a right to do.

Hardly. He's just a gimmick account for the purpose of annoying SH now.

So they are protesting not having money, and they solve this problem by preventing people like buisness oweners, vendors and truckers from making money so they can stand up against the corporations? Fox or not, the protest is starting to contradict itself. The Occupy Detroit protest had the brilliant idea to block the bridge causing truckers, who are already not making enough, from delivering their goods to the destination, which by being late by one minute can cost you $5000. There is a difference between protesting and gathering and having a large clusterfuck of anger and taking it out on hard working people trying to make a living, the thing they are so often bitching about.

[QUOTE=Fedalkyn;33270624]Great. Lovely. You've got one of the five minute intervals of glorious early protest marches captured by some impoverished individual with a $5000 camera, computer and internet access. You haven't been in and amongst the people. If you have, you haven't been exposed to them for very long. They are never going to post pictures of anything bad they've done to anyone. They want their façade to be shown and nothing else. I've seen thousands of these photos. You can take thousands of photos a minute showing all kinds of apparently good things. However, I've seen this shit first hand, I forcibly am a part of these people, and, as I have said, they make the impression they are doing good for their own selfishness. Of course they're gonna post pictures of themselves taking a dump on public property! Come on... I know these people intimately. The head hippy I talk about has thousands of dollars worth of photography equipment and does photography as a hobby. They are never going to photograph any wrong doing on their part. they know what they are doing, they're professionals in their own game. They are trying to maximise their excuse to be there with as much rhetoric as they possibly can. They do this kind of thing my god damned living room, and now they have an excuse to do it in the middle of [I]everyone's[/I] business, not just mine. Even then, they still do it in my living room. I'm not forewarned, asked if it's okay, If I wanted to do anything in my own home. If I want to cook dinner or watch the news. It's not like they care, if they come en' mass. What can I do? They are masters of imposing, that's how they function, that's how they get on. It's their group mentality, and this movement is to them like a fresh buffalo carcass is to a starving lion. They have descended upon it to feast and you'd be wary of trying to separate them from the meal. In those photos they're selling their crafts and having gatherings the same as they always do. They seem harmless and friendly and so on, but they're not supposed to be there, they're getting in people's way, they are being a direct nuisance to people and their livelihoods. They've got their excuses and chants memorised and they're well practised in using them. They will remind you to your face of how good a turn they are doing to you whilst pissing on your lawn, because they can justify themselves and they stand together in force. They take the moral high-ground and insult you from it's safety. You feel helpless, they make everyone who isn't them, or agree with them a pariah. One of them had a girlfriend from outside the group, she wasn't in line with their crap. and they fell out with him. They agreed that people who 'don't get it' are like lost, tragic causes who don't know what they're missing. Supposedly. They can't handle people who have different views, people who do are treated as plebeians. They create and believe their own bullshit. They live in their own world. I've had to listen to their conversations, they circle jerk and pat each other on the back to reassure each other of their own delusions so they can continue justifying their behaviour, even though me and many, many others are taking a loss for their utter crap. The make absolute monstrosities of montages of pictures just like those to convince themselves and people who do not know, or don't want to believe any better. This isn't new to me, and I know better than to take those images at face value any more. I learned the hard way. A large, perhaps overwhelming percentage of these people are like this, really, [I]really,[/I] don't want that to be the case, but it is. That's why this protest may fall flat, and the efforts of people who seriously care about the cause with go to waste.[/QUOTE] You understand that what you're saying sounds more like a caricature or a cliche than anything that exists in real life, right? You seem to be making wild claims about specifically the New Zealand protesters while at the same time generalizing the entire movement because of it, all the while citing some conspiracy by the 'hippies' to keep fecal matter hidden from photos and trick you into believing that they care about the environment. Do you see how ridiculous that sounds?

[B]Facts[/B] to bring people up to speed, uninhibited by actions of rash individuals or political talk show hosts. [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/timeline/56051a84ae2a25e97ec8f4b1a77c3219.png[/IMG] Behold, the true distribution of wealth in America. The top 20% (about 60 million people) holds 84% of the wealth in blue, the 2nd 20% holds 11% in red, the 3rd 20% holds 4% in green, the bottom 40% (about 120 million people) holds only 0.3% of the wealth and are not even visible. Even if the Occupiers start launching fire bombs, it doesn't change facts, merely opinions of what to do with them.