UK and Scottish governments reach provisional agreement on independence referendum
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I wonder what the SNP will do if No wins, cus that's their whole mission rejected
[QUOTE=C0MMUNIZT;37976227]Is there really any good reasons for them to be independent anyway?[/QUOTE]
There's not really any one specific reason, a lot of older people are still bitter about poll tax and the miners strikes. I think it boils down to a lot of Scots think that Thatcher didn't really have Scotland in her best interests and are going on that experience.
Personally, I'm voting no. I just don't think an independent Scotland is an economically viable idea. Plus I don't mind the English, I mean there's a bit of rivalry but that's all just a laugh really.
[QUOTE=smurfy;37982076]I wonder what the SNP will do if No wins, cus that's their whole mission rejected[/QUOTE]
continue doing what they're doing. the SNP has actually been quite a good Government. the only real blight on their record is the obsession with independence.
I'm as patriotic as the next Scot, I voted SNP in the last election because i thought they did well in the previous government. but i'll more than likely be voting no to independence. not that i don't think Scotland could make it alone, I do. i just don't see the need. i like being in union with the Welsh and the N.Irish and the English.
please leave the union so london and south east english tax payers don't have to pay for your free universities and prescriptions any more
take northern ireland and wales with you
[QUOTE=toxicpiano;37982856]please leave the union so london and south east english tax payers don't have to pay for your free universities and prescriptions any more
take northern ireland and wales with you[/QUOTE]
We're given a budget, it's up to the scottish government how it's spent. Also, Scotland contributes incredible amounts to the Uk economy in terms of oil and energy exports.
[QUOTE=C0MMUNIZT;37976114]So do most scottish people not want to be in the UK or is just just one guy and a few people supporting him?[/QUOTE]
It's only ignorant wankers who want independence
[editline]10th October 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=toxicpiano;37982856]please leave the union so london and south east english tax payers don't have to pay for your free universities and prescriptions any more
take northern ireland and wales with you[/QUOTE]
hi tp pls remember to play tax and stuff i think saas need the money to pay for my uni fees
[QUOTE=Kondor58;37983122]It's only ignorant wankers who want independence
[editline]10th October 2012[/editline]
hi tp pls remember to play tax and stuff i think saas need the money to pay for my uni fees[/QUOTE]
Calling them "Ignorant wankers" is a bit of an unfair generalisation. Some people in Scotland really suffered from decisions made by the Tories (who almost no-one in Scotland voted for). All the poverty caused by the privatisation of the coal industry (affected a lot of Northern England as well) due to difference in voters between England and Scotland is a fair reason to vote for it in my opinion.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;37981267]no pls stay, the UK flag will look awful without the scottish bit[/QUOTE]
Why don't you guys have a representation of Wales on it?
Just make sure your question doesn't end up like this;
[Quote= Quebec Referendum, 1995]Do you agree that Quebec should become sovereign after having made a formal offer to Canada for a new economic and political partnership within the scope of the bill respecting the future of Quebec and of the agreement signed on June 12, 1995?.[/Quote]
I'm Canadian of Scottish ancestry. Not that it's really any of my business, but I'd much prefer for Scotland to remain in union with England. It sets a very dangerous precedent for Canada/Quebec/other separatist groups if Scotland goes.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;37983795]Why don't you guys have a representation of Wales on it?[/QUOTE]
If I recall correctly from my English lessons, which might be wrong because I'm Belgian, it boils down to "the flag would look too crowded with the Welsh flag slapped on top of it too, so fuck that idea"
[QUOTE=deltasquid;37983916]If I recall correctly from my English lessons, which might be wrong because I'm Belgian, it boils down to "the flag would look too crowded with the Welsh flag slapped on top of it too, so fuck that idea"[/QUOTE]
No, because Wales was part of the Kingdom of England (so it was all under the English flag) at the time of the union with Scotland, we just haven't bothered sticking it on since, though we did have the Welsh dragon on our coat of arms
Those must have been some pretty bad lessons
[QUOTE=deltasquid;37983916]If I recall correctly from my English lessons, which might be wrong because I'm Belgian, it boils down to "the flag would look too crowded with the Welsh flag slapped on top of it too, so fuck that idea"[/QUOTE]
How rude.
The scotch need to be kept in line as soon as they get independent they will be over the border trying to burn ever down town and village they just can't help it
We are not Scotch. We are Scottish.
[QUOTE=Mr Kotov;37984034]We are not Scotch. We are Scottish.[/QUOTE]
speak for yourself. i am a bottle of whisky
Fair do's.
[QUOTE=Mr Kotov;37984034]We are not Scotch. We are Scottish.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotch-Irish_American[/url]
Scotch master race...?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;37983795]Why don't you guys have a representation of Wales on it?[/QUOTE]
Wales was joined to England by force and so was never considered worthy enough to intrude on the English flag. When England and Scotland joined it was a mutual agreement and the two nations were more on equal terms - it was even a Scottish king that succeeded to the throne of both countries.
[QUOTE=Ond kaja;37978823]The Scottish parliament would have more power, and the UK parliament would lose their right to pass bills that affect Scotland (excepting foreign policy, which would be established if Scotland becomes independent). Scotland would have its own foreign policy, its own representation in international relations (like the UN and EU). Laws that apply in Scotland are technically Scottish laws, so in that sense, no laws of the UK would apply to Scotland. I'm pretty sure Scotland would use UK laws as a base and rework them a bit, if they become independent.
In turn, Scotland would lose representation in the UK parliament, and they would have to decide whether to keep the queen as head of the state, or replace the monarchy with a republic. Scotland could either keep the pound as their currency, adopt their own currency or adopt the Euro. Scotland would have to establish their own diplomatic relationships, as the UK wouldn't represent Scotland internationally anymore.
Quite a tricky question! There are more implications of Scottish independence, but these are some of them. Will be interesting to see the outcome of this referendum.[/QUOTE]
Scottish Republic doesn't sound all that bad if it's somewhat Liberal, as in not conservative, and I think they should still be allowed to use the pound as currency, since it'd make the pound's presence technically more prominent since one more country is using it, despite Scotland having used the pound for ages before the theoretical Scottish Republic was established.
Also if Scotland leaving results in having to change the flag, that'd likely pose an issue, although maybe the "winning design", assuming there's a national contest to design a new British flag, could include the Welsh dragon, though I dunno whether it'd look better in front of or behind the cross of St George; behind would be in line with the "lore" of St George slaying the dragon, though it probably wouldn't be too endearing with the Welsh.
[QUOTE=Megafan;37984310][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotch-Irish_American[/url]
Scotch master race...?[/QUOTE]
Scotch-Irish is used to refer to people who colonized the Ulster region of (now Northern) Ireland in the 17th century. Over time the meaning of "Scotch" and "Scottish" diverged.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;37984629]Scotch-Irish is used to refer to people who colonized the Ulster region of (now Northern) Ireland in the 17th century. Over time the meaning of "Scotch" and "Scottish" diverged.[/QUOTE]
I'm aware of that, and those Scots are adequately called 'Ulster Scots', and Scotch-Irish is largely an American phrase, as the page says.
Scots should have the right to independence if they want it but I honestly think it's a naff idea, especially in this current climate.
and these conservative wankers only got into power because of a damn loophole not by being voted in. thank the spineless liberals for that.
[QUOTE=Fr3ddi3;37984774]and these conservative wankers only got into power because of a damn loophole not by being voted in. thank the spineless liberals for that.[/QUOTE]
What does that have to do with anything
[QUOTE=smurfy;37984810]What does that have to do with anything[/QUOTE]
In response to Kebab on the first page, The scots did not vote them in, but neither did most of the populace including myself.
If we lose Scotland, Labour will lose 41 MPs.
Conservatives lose Scotland but win the election, that's a really scary thought.
If the flag has to change, why not replace the Scottish blue with Welsh green?
[t]http://i.imgur.com/y3dyU.png[/t]
Could be worse.
[QUOTE=CatFodder;37985558]If the flag has to change, why not replace the Scottish blue with Welsh green?
[t]http://i.imgur.com/y3dyU.png[/t]
Could be worse.[/QUOTE]
eww
[QUOTE=CatFodder;37985558]If the flag has to change, why not replace the Scottish blue with Welsh green?
[t]http://i.imgur.com/y3dyU.png[/t]
Could be worse.[/QUOTE]With that shade of green, it sort of looks like it's gone mouldy.
[QUOTE=CatFodder;37985558]If the flag has to change, why not replace the Scottish blue with Welsh green?
[t]http://i.imgur.com/y3dyU.png[/t]
Could be worse.[/QUOTE]
Welsh green? Ireland is green, I usually think of Wales as red
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