• Uniformed Police Beat Unarmed Homeless Man To Death, Found Not Guilty (Disturbing Images / Footage)
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[QUOTE=Stopper;43561162]You cherrypicked a single map which pertains to a single quarterly period. Not fair.[/QUOTE] So using a map that outlines where [I]all[/I] the reports came from using the source [I]you[/I] gave to me is cherrypicking? I'm confused.
Sorry, my bad - I was looking at the wrong map... But still, if you actually look into the map, you'll notice that it's not just two counties that are bothersome. [URL]http://www.targetmap.com/viewer.aspx?reportId=6469[/URL] That's mapping uses of excessive force.
[QUOTE=Stopper;43561282]Sorry, my bad - I was looking at the wrong map... But still, if you actually look into the map, you'll notice that it's not just two counties that are bothersome. [URL]http://www.targetmap.com/viewer.aspx?reportId=6469[/URL] That's mapping uses of excessive force.[/QUOTE] It's also a population heatmap, genius. You might as well say "this is a map of people". Non-normalized heatmaps are useless.
how the fuck is the guy meant to roll onto his stomach when there are 2 guys beating him and holding him down while another one is tazing him
[QUOTE=Snowmew;43561329]It's also a population heatmap, genius. You might as well say "this is a map of people". Non-normalized heatmaps are useless.[/QUOTE] Then look at the fucking statistics, they're there for you to read. It's happening, and just cause it's happening in some places less than others, it doesn't make it better either way.
[video=youtube;PScmRiaZhwk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PScmRiaZhwk[/video]
[QUOTE=theobod;43558002]That's one hell of a shitty judge.[/QUOTE] For doing what, exactly? The jury acquitted them, the judge only presided over the trial. It's right there in the article. This isn't a few officers going on a power trip and getting let off the hook with a slap on the back by a judge who's in bed with the police, they were acquitted by a jury ostensibly because the law is extremely specific and juries are required to set their personal beliefs aside and see if the act fits the very narrow definitions of crime. The law needs to be revised, the issue is not specific to the judge or the court itself.
[QUOTE=Stopper;43561364]Then look at the fucking statistics, they're there for you to read.[/QUOTE] What statistics? What are you even trying to prove? The only useful statistic so far is the 7.6%, and even that is questionable.
[QUOTE=Snowmew;43561394]What statistics? What are you even trying to prove? The only useful statistic so far is the 7.6%, and even that is questionable.[/QUOTE] Did you even read the thread up to this point or what?
[QUOTE=Stopper;43561398]Did you even read the thread up to this point or what?[/QUOTE] So you're arguing that police brutality increases with population? Or are you arguing that police brutality happens? Both of which are obvious facts to anyone with a brain, regardless of whatever statistically useless maps you bring up.
Only in america you need 6 obese police officers to cuff one homeless person. Good going.
[QUOTE=theobod;43558002]That's one hell of a shitty judge.[/QUOTE] it was a jury.
is it bad that i want someone to burn these assholes' house down I mean I know that won't solve anything but fucking hell
This is truly some really really sick shit, I mean seriously, oh my good god. it's like something out of a really bad snuff film for god sake [t]http://facepunch.com/image.php?u=54583&dateline=1388283156[/t] to the cops
I don't understand what the fuck set off Officer Ramos. One second he's talking all nice to him, then as soon as he finds out that Thomas had stolen someones mail he starts saying he's going to beat the shit out of him. The rest of the Police just seemed to go along with the beating that Ramos started, which is pretty damn tragic.
If I don't see an outcry like the Rodney King case I am going to be extremely disappointed in the american people, you need to make it very clear these actions and the results of the trial aren't going to be tolerated or it will only get worse. I've been preaching about Kelly Thomas for a long time, this case really tugs my heart strings, its awful.
[QUOTE=Snowmew;43560342]Regardless... They were charged with involuntary manslaughter to try to make the case easier on the DA, although I believe one was also charged with second degree murder. Regardless, here is the CPC's view on the subject: It's important to note that [b]this was not a bench decision[/b] - a jury decided to acquit, not a judge. Jury instructions are [b]extremely[/b] specific, and given the facts of the case in the courtroom, they probably had no choice but come to the conclusion that the officers were "overcoming actual resistance", since there is technically no law stating that the officers must restrain their use of force in such a situation. Juries are not allowed to use common sense or factor emotions at all into their decision. From the evidence that we have (the security tape) it's pretty clear that the resistance, if any, did not justify the beating, but the bottom line is that the law doesn't clarify this. Regardless of the fact that they clearly abused their authority and purposefully (and unjustifiably) beat the guy to death, the jury had no choice but to declare the homicide as legally justifiable. I can't seriously imagine that an entire jury could ignore the obvious takeaway from this incident, and I can't honestly blame them for the decision. A few of them are going to be haunted for the rest of their lives from having been forced to decide to release these sick individuals. Because of double jeopardy, that decision stands, no matter how many online petitions we sign. They may not be so lucky in civil court, but they will not be going to prison. I should also point out that the three officers involved were terminated from their positions regardless of the court ruling and won't be working in law enforcement ever again, although it is by no means sufficient punishment.[/QUOTE] [quote]192. Manslaughter is the unlawful killing of a human being without malice [...] (b) Involuntary--in the commission of an unlawful act, not amounting to felony; or in the commission of a lawful act which might produce death, in an unlawful manner, or [b]without due caution and circumspection.[/b] [...] 196. Homicide is justifiable when committed by public officers and those acting by their command in their aid and assistance, either-- 1. In obedience to any judgment of a competent Court; or, 2. When [b]necessarily[/b] committed in overcoming actual resistance to the execution of some legal process, or in the discharge of any other legal duty; or, 3. When [b]necessarily committed[/b] in retaking felons who have been rescued or have escaped, or when necessarily committed in arresting persons charged with felony, and who are fleeing from justice or resisting such arrest. [/quote] I'm pretty sure they did NOT use due caution and their degree of use of force (to the point of homicide) was not neccesary
[QUOTE=cis.joshb;43563564]I'm pretty sure they did NOT use due caution and their degree of use of force (to the point of homicide) was not neccesary[/QUOTE] You really can't read very well, it seems. The first part is irrelevant if any part of the 196 section is valid. If he was resisting arrest continuously until he fell unconscious, they technically are in the right. You fail to understand the loophole.
[QUOTE=Stopper;43561282]Sorry, my bad - I was looking at the wrong map... But still, if you actually look into the map, you'll notice that it's not just two counties that are bothersome. [URL]http://www.targetmap.com/viewer.aspx?reportId=6469[/URL] That's mapping uses of excessive force.[/QUOTE] Ok and? Look at that. Four states that are continually are in the "bad" : California, Texas, Florida, New York. The actually proves my point about you're going to be hard-pressed to find an officer that is "accused" of excessive force. Shit, most states have less than 25 accusations in the entire [I]state[/I]. [editline]16th January 2014[/editline] and, of course, the further south you go, the lower the quality of law enforcement you get
[QUOTE=Stopper;43560382][t]http://www.policebrutality.info/content/uploads/2011/04/police-brutality-infographic.jpg[/t] Here's some stats, have fun with them. Here's some more: [URL]http://www.policemisconduct.net/statistics/[/URL] Hell, if you google police brutality, I'm sure you'll find all you need. And yeah, there are bad apples, but you're in a positions where you [I]can't[/I] have bad apples. Stop trying to put yourself in one basket with people you're not. Doctors and pilots don't deliberately crash planes and kill patients. If they do, they are not only scrutinized but quite often punished to the full extent of the law. Why are [I]you[/I] exempt? Why are [I]you[/I] special? If me and my friends gang up on a homeless man and beat him to his death, we'll go to prison. Why didn't these colleagues of yours? I never said all cops are evil, I'm simply stating that there's far, far, [B]far[/B] too many that overstep their bounds. I have full respect for people who work for my safety, be it cops or doctors or firemen, but when they abuse their powers it makes my blood boil. Was that a mistake? Did those cops kill that person by mistake? Look at him, look at the video of them beating him to death and tell me they made a mistake.[/QUOTE] the problem isn't within the officers(i mean it is, but that's not what i mean here) it's with in the court systems in this case there will always be bad apples even if it's not supposed to have any bad apples, but the problem is that they're not punished to the fullest extent that they should be tbh police should be able to be punished with anything including up to death(depending on the severity of their actions, but not torture or anything of course though, but like the military's general court martial), and with all evidence being public to make sure theres no behind the scenes happening
Jesus FUCKING Christ. Even with Photographic AND Video evidence, they STILL get away Scott-free?!
[QUOTE=Gustafa;43557840]IM SORRY MAN [editline]16th January 2014[/editline] Sauces [url]http://ktla.com/2014/01/15/ex-officer-acquitted-in-kelly-thomas-death-wants-his-job-back/#axzz2qZoNu3Ok[/url] [url]http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/kelly-thomas/[/url][/QUOTE] wasn't trying to be a dick, sorry if it came out like that. [editline]17th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Suitcase;43566749]Jesus FUCKING Christ. Even with Photographic AND Video evidence, they STILL get away Scott-free?![/QUOTE] yes because officers are immune to the laws here in the states. hell here in san antonio cops are allowed to speed without their sirens on. if a cop crashes into you, you get in serious trouble for their fuck up. I've seen it happen, i also watched a disabled veteran get thrown into a paddy wagon and taken to jail because of the shell clerk being a prick. ive seen and experienced some fucked up moments. dont get me wrong though ive had a cop give me my city ordinance illegal knife back and let me go, it just depends if you get lucky
It's sad watching that tape-- if anything that man suffers from a mental illness, like many homeless, and is harmless. The whole part up until the beating they're toying with him, that should be a violation in itself.
[QUOTE=Ekalektik_1;43557813]Forget about their badges in court. Treat them as exactly what they are: three pieces of trash who beat a homeless man to death for no reason. Any civilian who did that would get a hefty prison sentence and I honestly do not see why a cop should get any different.[/QUOTE] A cop should get a much, much harsher sentence. It's their duty to uphold the law.
[QUOTE=areolop;43560533]involved in [I]reported[/I] misconduct. That does not mean that they indeed fuck up, but someone thought so. [/QUOTE] So as a counter to this point can I say the number should be higher because not everyone who has had police fuck with them has reported it? Just because you're a cop doesn't mean you have to defend all other cops by the way.
[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;43566287]the problem isn't within the officers(i mean it is, but that's not what i mean here) it's with in the court systems in this case there will always be bad apples even if it's not supposed to have any bad apples, but the problem is that they're not punished to the fullest extent that they should be tbh police should be able to be punished with anything including up to death(depending on the severity of their actions, but not torture or anything of course though, but like the military's general court martial), and with all evidence being public to make sure theres no behind the scenes happening[/QUOTE] I agree here. Regardless of the bad apples in the situation, everyone should be prosecuted in the U.S. as a citizen. No position of power should hold you from receiving a sentence a less "important" person would. It's downright ridiculous and I think it's more fucked up than the beating itself. It gets on my nerves that they got away with a crime like this, it really does.
[QUOTE=bull04;43567453]I agree here. Regardless of the bad apples in the situation, everyone should be prosecuted in the U.S. as a citizen. No position of power should hold you from receiving a sentence a less "important" person would. It's downright ridiculous and I think it's more fucked up than the beating itself. It gets on my nerves that they got away with a crime like this, it really does.[/QUOTE] devil's avocado: shooter shooting people somewhere, take your pick cop rolls up, kills the shooter. while yes he has the internal investigation, would you say it really needs to go to trial? that's why there's this loophole
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;43567483]devil's avocado: shooter shooting people somewhere, take your pick cop rolls up, kills the shooter. while yes he has the internal investigation, would you say it really needs to go to trial? that's why there's this loophole[/QUOTE] I acknowledge that we have loopholes in our justice system, but that's the problem in the first place. Obviously you can never "air tight" seal a law or anything of the like, cause there are always double standards, but either way, have you ever seen a man beat a cop to death in a fist fight? I'm not saying there never has been a case, but I haven't seen one. Again, I could be completely bullshitting, but I never saw any weapons being used in the video from the victims side. He seemed to be TRYING to abide by commands, but couldn't do so due to being held down. Obviously, if a shooter is running around killing everyone around him, it's within the cops power to do anything necessary to stop him. But when you hear a report about a man stealing mail and trying to open car doors, the last thing that should go through your mind in a 10 minute time span is beating his face in with a taser. I'm just saying, our law system is fucked up due to the loopholes in the system, but any ordinary citizen would get up to life for beating a mans face in with a taser because he didn't put his hands on his knees.
[QUOTE=bull04;43567520]I acknowledge that we have loopholes in our justice system, but that's the problem in the first place. Obviously you can never "air tight" seal a law or anything of the like, cause there are always double standards, but either way, have you ever seen a man beat a cop to death in a fist fight? I'm not saying there never has been a case, but I haven't seen one. Again, I could be completely bullshitting, but I never saw any weapons being used in the video from the victims side. He seemed to be TRYING to abide by commands, but couldn't do so due to being held down. Obviously, if a shooter is running around killing everyone around him, it's within the cops power to do anything necessary to stop him. But when you hear a report about a man stealing mail and trying to open car doors, the last thing that should go through your mind in a 10 minute time span is beating his face in with a taser. I'm just saying, our law system is fucked up due to the loopholes in the system, but any ordinary citizen would get up to life for beating a mans face in with a taser because he didn't put his hands on his knees.[/QUOTE] right but that's the point. unfortunately to protect the shooter case, the ability for power enabled fucktards to do this is there. it's basically impossible to remove the ability to do this case without removing their protection on the shooter shooting people case
[QUOTE=confinedUser;43567108]hell here in san antonio cops are allowed to speed without their sirens on.[/QUOTE] Law enforcement on duty are exempt from most traffic laws regardless of whether their sirens are on. That's in the vehicle code of basically every state.
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