Forget Mars, Trump Wants NASA To Visit Jupiter’s Moon Europa And Explore The Solar System
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Trump says a lot of things. Just because he saying things you like to hear, doesn't mean he won't toss those promises aside as easily as he's trying to downplay those he made during his campaign. Let's first see how he'll handle his first year.
[QUOTE=GlebGuy;51369112]There is profit to be made by funding groups and corps that are focused on space exploration. Primarily because gas giants are that - giant balls of gas that we could harvest for ourselves, and then there's the asteroid belt in our system which could potentially hold more gold, silver, iron and other minerals than any other deposit on our planet.[/QUOTE]
I can't think of an easy way to harvest gas giants really, they have an enormous gravitational pull which means you need a lot of deltaV and powerful thrusters to get to escape velocity, not to mention the gases providing friction forces. Basically once you're "on" them it's going to be very difficult to get out, and even if there was a way to do it it probably wouldn't be efficient or profitable.
[QUOTE=_Axel;51369192]I can't think of an easy way to harvest gas giants really, they have an enormous gravitational pull which means you need a lot of deltaV and powerful thrusters to get to escape velocity, not to mention the gases providing friction forces. Basically once you're "on" them it's going to be very difficult to get out, and even if there was a way to do it it probably wouldn't be efficient or profitable.[/QUOTE]
We create a very long tube, and protrude it through space to jupiter and succ it dry.
It'd work trust me I just got a 74 on a chemistry exam just the other day I basically make johnnymo1
look like Donald Trump when it comes to science
[QUOTE=Clavus;51369180]Trump says a lot of things. Just because he saying things you like to hear, doesn't mean he won't toss those promises aside as easily as he's trying to downplay those he made during his campaign. Let's first see how he'll handle his first year.[/QUOTE]
Bush talked about moon bases by 2024.
I'm still waiting.
Where do I sign up to test the warp?
Big mouth on the would-be king here. But does he actually have the trousers to back it up? I'll be genuinely impressed if El Presidente does.
We need to build a big beautiful wall to keep the filthy fucking xenos out
[QUOTE=Pops;51369211]Bush talked about moon bases by 2024.
I'm still waiting.[/QUOTE]
well being devil's avacado, it isn't 2024 yet of course you're still waiting :v:
I do agree that Mars gets a great deal of focus whilst other potential points of exploration get ignored. If we can get private companies to do some of the heavy lifting that'd be a good start, but as for making a permanent/long-term base of operations it wouldn't be terrible to have something set up in lunar orbit.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;51368853]The language of the article makes it look like he's squeamish about actually funding them to do any of this. If a "private-public partnership" doesn't work out as joyfully as one might hope, NASA is going to look like Kerbal Space Program.[/QUOTE]
its almost as if he is totally ignorant of the funding structure of NASA, surely thats not possible... i mean he doesnt think private industry is paying for space exploration... right?
[QUOTE=SirJon;51369250]We need to build a big beautiful wall to keep the filthy fucking xenos out[/QUOTE]
Trump is going to start the XCOM initiative.
I feel like a moon base would be a much more realistic goal.
[Sp]and much cooler IMHO[/SP]
[QUOTE=_Maverick_;51369353]I feel like a moon base would be a much more realistic goal.
[Sp]and much cooler IMHO[/SP][/QUOTE]
We should put Gorillas on it, nothing should go wrong right?
If his current trend of going back on campaign ideas/promises is anything to go by, this stance on NASA's projects won't be a permanent one.
I feel like by this point the stuff Trump states is kinda being treated like holy scripture in the following regard: People pick and choose the parts they like and they believe them to be genuine and the parts that end up not holding up are being given "duh it was just a metaphor/hyperbole/campaign slogan to get votes, I can't believe anyone was ever gullible enough to think it was real".
Or at least that seems to be the current environment of internet comments as I've seen it.
Worth mentioning that he wants to also defund NASA climate monitoring and I think halt it entirely.
Ronald Reagan wanted a Star Wars missile defense system.
Trump will build the Death Star.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;51369534]Ronald Reagan wanted a Star Wars missile defense system.
Trump will build the Death Star.[/QUOTE]
It strengthens national defense and creates contracting/manual labor jobs while also putting our technology on the bleeding edge.
How is that a bad thing?
[QUOTE=Shirt.;51369584]It strengthens national defense and creates contracting/manual labor jobs while also putting our technology on the bleeding edge.
How is that a bad thing?[/QUOTE]
THINK ABOUT THE WOOKIE SLAVES!!!
[QUOTE=_Maverick_;51369353]I feel like a moon base would be a much more realistic goal.
[Sp]and much cooler IMHO[/SP][/QUOTE]
John Madden approved.
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[QUOTE=Shirt.;51369584]It strengthens national defense and creates contracting/manual labor jobs while also putting our technology on the bleeding edge.
How is that a bad thing?[/QUOTE]
It will get blown up by some pesky kid in a rusty crop duster with a bible in his hand.
Watch the first permanent settlement in space be a Trump tower.
[QUOTE=matt000024;51369705]Watch the first permanent settlement in space be a Trump tower.[/QUOTE]
Trump Space Elevator
[QUOTE=Shirt.;51369584]It strengthens national defense and creates contracting/manual labor jobs while also putting our technology on the bleeding edge.
How is that a bad thing?[/QUOTE]
Because we're kinda sorta part of a treaty that doesn't allow militarizing space.
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;51369774]Because we're kinda sorta part of a treaty that doesn't allow militarizing space.[/QUOTE]
we're part of a lot of treaties that trump plans to ignore :v:
[QUOTE=_Maverick_;51369353]I feel like a moon base would be a much more realistic goal.
[Sp]and much cooler IMHO[/SP][/QUOTE]
Moon is a dusty piece of rock, Europa is a piece of rock with an actual ocean under its ice crust that shoots geysers out of its own sphere of influence every now and again. Oh, and Europa orbits a monstrously huge gas giant. Moon is boring, fuck Moon.
[QUOTE=gudman;51369824]Moon is a dusty piece of rock, Europa is a piece of rock with an actual ocean under its ice crust that shoots geysers out of its own sphere of influence every now and again. Oh, and Europa orbits a monstrously huge gas giant. Moon is boring, fuck Moon.[/QUOTE]
The Moon has shitloads of resources.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;51370335]The Moon has shitloads of resources.[/QUOTE]
By the time we'll be able to exploit those reliably, ie dig up and bring back to Earth without making the whole thing ridiculously inefficient we'll figure out something better and it'll turn out that we wasted time and money better spent on exploration and discoveries. Probably. Well, unlikely, but still that sort of Earth-Moon transportation system is long ways away from now.
[QUOTE=gudman;51370358]By the time we'll be able to exploit those reliably, ie dig up and bring back to Earth without making the whole thing ridiculously inefficient we'll figure out something better and it'll turn out that we wasted time and money better spent on exploration and discoveries.[/QUOTE]
Not necessarily bring back to Earth, but more so in building infrastructure, space ports and VABs on the moon.
By making the moon a more permanent colony and or space port complex, we can achieve a greater degree of exploration for less than if we started from the Earth.
We can save quite a bit of delta-V by launching from the moon instead of Earth and in turn reuse that delta v for more distant, extravagant trips.
[img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/AAGJvD1.png[/img_thumb]
[QUOTE=LoneWolf_Recon;51370389]Not necessarily bring back to Earth, but more so in building infrastructure, space ports and VABs on the moon.
By making the moon a more permanent colony and or space port complex, we can achieve a greater degree of exploration for less than if we started from the Earth.
We can save quite a bit of delta-V by launching from the moon instead of Earth and in turn reuse that delta v for more distant, extravagant trips.
[img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/AAGJvD1.png[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
That sounds like a very-very-very long-term thing, and the immediate problem isn't eliminated - we'd have to send the materials to the Moon, build a colony, send people (and rotate them regularly because the Moon is a terrible place to live no matter how comfy your habitat might be), set up mining and refining facilities, factories etc.
That's way beyond our current capabilities, we'd need more efficient engines, more efficient means to produce and store electricity, lighter materials etc, ideally - at least some kind of way to simulate gravity that's close to Earth, because our organs don't take it well when its different and you don't want to rotate the colonists/workers as often as ISS crew is rotated. Right now we're pretty much limited to unmanned exploration, manned trips at best and some very light and early infrastructure setups.
[QUOTE=gudman;51369824]Moon is a dusty piece of rock, Europa is a piece of rock with an actual ocean under its ice crust that shoots geysers out of its own sphere of influence every now and again. Oh, and Europa orbits a monstrously huge gas giant. Moon is boring, fuck Moon.[/QUOTE]
europa is fucking nuked with radiation
[QUOTE=Sableye;51370472]europa is fucking nuked with radiation[/QUOTE]
Which makes it all the more interesting. What can possibly be better than aquatic aliens? Radioactive mutant aquatic aliens.
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