Forget Mars, Trump Wants NASA To Visit Jupiter’s Moon Europa And Explore The Solar System
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The only question is, which one of the Don's sons will become Horus in our timeline?
[QUOTE=Sableye;51368869]great but if he doesnt do anything about climate change we wont have those nice shiny launch pads and VAB to do this.
also im not really sure a europa mission is even possible given its horrendus radiation, enourmous deltaV requirements and the massive ice block ontop of it[/QUOTE]
"giving up on controlling green house gasses and just ditching this 'shit piece of rock'/earth for a young '20 something professional model'/new planet"
is the out of the box thinking we need from our commander in chief to properly elevate to his rightful god-emperor status.
[QUOTE=gudman;51370469]That sounds like a very-very-very long-term thing, and the immediate problem isn't eliminated - we'd have to send the materials to the Moon, build a colony, send people (and rotate them regularly because the Moon is a terrible place to live no matter how comfy your habitat might be), set up mining and refining facilities, factories etc.
That's way beyond our current capabilities, we'd need more efficient engines, more efficient means to produce and store electricity, lighter materials etc, ideally - at least some kind of way to simulate gravity that's close to Earth, because our organs don't take it well when its different and you don't want to rotate the colonists/workers as often as ISS crew is rotated. Right now we're pretty much limited to unmanned exploration, manned trips at best and some very light and early infrastructure setups.[/QUOTE]
Agreed, it'd still be a logistical mess, however you'd be hard pressed to do manned missions beyond the asteroid belt without some larger advancements in rocket technology (Once SpaceX's BFR becomes a regular fly) and/or a long build time for a transit ship.
[QUOTE=gudman;51370498]Which makes it all the more interesting. What can possibly be better than aquatic aliens? Radioactive mutant aquatic aliens.[/QUOTE]
Provided that we could drill a significant distance down and operate below the ice we can avoid nigh all of the radiation:
[img_thumb]http://img.bhs4.com/32/1/321BB0C5313F0770A4929C863DFA1037C7E0A252_large.jpg[/img_thumb]
However Europa's surface radiation is [U]hot[/U] as in [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa_(moon)#Surface_features"]540 rem/day (5.4Sv/day or ~100rad/day)[/URL].
Without some ridiculous level of shielding, a manned mission would have a hard time lasting a day on the surface. A robotic mission could last reasonably a month (Atleast with the typical rad-hard spacecraft with TIDs of 1MRad)
[QUOTE=LoneWolf_Recon;51370578]Agreed, it'd still be a logistical mess, however you'd be hard pressed to do manned missions beyond the asteroid belt without some larger advancements in rocket technology (Once SpaceX's BFR becomes a regular fly) and/or a long build time for a transit ship.
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Yeah, that's why I said "at best". Most likely we won't see any manned missions any time soon. Sending people to the Moon is just straight up waste of money (what would they do there now? unmanned stuff will handle setting up infrastructure just fine), sending people to Mars is sort of realistic, but still probably too costly, sending people to Venus - not in any of our lifetimes for certain.
[QUOTE=FlandersNed;51369477]Worth mentioning that he wants to also defund NASA climate monitoring and I think halt it entirely.[/QUOTE]
So is everyone going to ignore this because of the empty promise of a Europa mission? This is just an attempt to distract everyone from what is really happening, while keeping NASA busy. You're all getting exicted for a mission that will likely never happen and not noticing that he is going to defund climate research.
I'm gonna have to invoke Bill Nye here and remind everyone that none of us are ever going to space in our lifetimes and we are better off spending resources now to mitigate damage to the environment and develop better technologies for renewable energy so that our species doesn't die on a poisoned planet.
[QUOTE=piddlezmcfuz;51370681]die on a poisoned planet.[/QUOTE]
Or maybe we adapt and overcome, becoming the ultimate survivor species, evolve with our tough environment, bounce right back, better and stronger than ever before and proceed to conquer the entire galaxy with the power of our collective resolve - fine by me, fuck dolphins and whales, I never liked them anyway. Then we'll be able to colonize Europa right on the surface, bathe in radiation and laugh at it.
[QUOTE=LoneWolf_Recon;51370389]Not necessarily bring back to Earth, but more so in building infrastructure, space ports and VABs on the moon.
By making the moon a more permanent colony and or space port complex, we can achieve a greater degree of exploration for less than if we started from the Earth.
We can save quite a bit of delta-V by launching from the moon instead of Earth and in turn reuse that delta v for more distant, extravagant trips.
[img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/AAGJvD1.png[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
When did they charter an Intergalactic MTA?
[QUOTE=RzDat;51368849]awww yeee
the god emperor himself is willing to make space exploration great again[/QUOTE]
MSEGA. Just rolls of the tongue, don't it?
[QUOTE=Lolkork;51370619]SPACE FISH! WOOO![/QUOTE]
Part of me likes to think we'll find some weird space lobster, and it'll immediately get rich people's boners going to go and hunt it to near extinction for taxidermy and food.
I wonder if there is life among the stars, can fuck it? Can we grab the xenos by the space pussy?
I'm surprised trump even knows that scientists think there might be life on Europa tbh. Never struck me as his erm... Area of concern, so to speak, lol.
He wants to get rid of the dept of education but somehow wants enough scientists to pull this shit off? Conflicting goals trump.
[QUOTE=froztshock;51370948]I'm surprised trump even knows that scientists think there might be life on Europa tbh. Never struck me as his erm... Area of concern, so to speak, lol.[/QUOTE]
its pop culture science at this point... Not knowing it means you are out of touch.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51369210]We create a very long tube, and protrude it through space to jupiter and succ it dry.
It'd work trust me I just got a 74 on a chemistry exam just the other day I basically make johnnymo1
look like Donald Trump when it comes to science[/QUOTE]
I mean... that would probably be the best method. Create a siphon from carbon nanotubes to be extended down from a station/craft in the lowest possible stable orbit either geostationary or geosynchronous. It would require a higher amount of thrust and more fuel than for earth orbits but Jupiter's atmosphere is rich in many useful gasses. RCS fuel could probably be synthesized on-site if the platform is large enough or use less useful waste gasses as fuel. Efficiency of the thrusters wouldn't be as important when there's basically an endless supply of methane or hydrogen below.
I bet aliens haven't even heard of illegal immigrants or freedom of press, this' a strong move from Trump.
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