[QUOTE=Kaelnukem;49294047]I find it a bit unfair too talk like this when your fetting process is so much better than it could be in Europe. There is an entire ocean between you and Syria and as far as I known smugglers haven't been seen using their own cruise ships to transport refugees illegally to America.
You get 153 families, while I have mainly seen young men come into my country. Families will behave a lot better, because they have eachother and want to build a live for their children.
''They've been having a lot of trouble actually getting people on the plane for that. A lot of refugees so far have passed up the offer because it was too far from home and planned to move back once the fighting had settled down. I can also assume the cultural rift was too big for them to comfortably integrate with.''
So you are even more likely to get families that will do whatever it takes to integrate and make a great future for their families in Canada.
fyi, I am not saying you shouldn't take refugees in, but the situation in Canada is so much easier than any Northern European country. You should keep that in mind when you read news from Europe and scoff at it.
edit: There will be 25000 to 50000 refugees in Canada by the end of 2016, in The Netherlands we have around the 55000 already. Next year we will get another 60000, but since a lot come illegally and the government has a history of underestimating the amount of refugees, you have to keep in mind that it may be even more.
Let's compare the size of both countries:
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/WeOGnFQ.png?1[/IMG]
Can you see how there might be some fear of integration, especially when we have some history of buggery already?[/QUOTE]
Don't forget though that while Canada is massive, it is only home to 35 million. Where as the Netherlands is home to 16.8. While there's a lot more physical space, most of it is basically uninhabitable, with most major population centers within 200 miles of the border with the US. So taking on 25,000 to 50,000 is still a very significant commitment for Canada. If the US made a similar commitment we'd have to take in nearly half a million refugees.
[QUOTE=Kaelnukem;49294209]Jokes on you though. The Swedes will teach the Syrians of their Viking boat technology, enjoy those Syrian berserkers coming to your coast next year.
In all seriousness though, could you give a bit of insight of how strict those laws are?[/QUOTE]
For instance, Before you can apply for a citizenship you must live in canada on a working visa or through marriage for 4 years and must learn one of the native languages before your can be considered eligible for citizenship. If you fail citizenship and your 6 year visa expires then you must leave.
It sounds harsh but with a multicultural country like this, you really have to protect your native identity.
With that said it's not like canada doesn't have its racial issues. Any place that is multicultural will obviously have clashes of interests.
[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;49294459]Jesus Christ, can't people just accept that not all of them want us dead? I'm not going to act like 100% of the refugees are going to be the best people, but there's a reason they're coming here and somehow I have a feeling that they're not going to all bomb us.[/QUOTE]
why do you need to think [B]all[/B] syrians are terrorists in order to be afraid of opening your border to syrians? 1 bad refugee out of 25,000 can still kill upwards of 100 people. if you want to argue about whether or not it's rational to be scared then fine, but it's getting pretty tiring to constantly see people pull out this strawman of a near non-existent narrative that all middle eastern people or all muslims are secretly terrorists.
[QUOTE=Kaelnukem;49294047]I find it a bit unfair too talk like this when your fetting process is so much better than it could be in Europe. There is an entire ocean between you and Syria and as far as I known smugglers haven't been seen using their own cruise ships to transport refugees illegally to America.
You get 153 families, while I have mainly seen young men come into my country. Families will behave a lot better, because they have eachother and want to build a live for their children.
''They've been having a lot of trouble actually getting people on the plane for that. A lot of refugees so far have passed up the offer because it was too far from home and planned to move back once the fighting had settled down. I can also assume the cultural rift was too big for them to comfortably integrate with.''
So you are even more likely to get families that will do whatever it takes to integrate and make a great future for their families in Canada.
fyi, I am not saying you shouldn't take refugees in, but the situation in Canada is so much easier than any Northern European country. You should keep that in mind when you read news from Europe and scoff at it.
edit: There will be 25000 to 50000 refugees in Canada by the end of 2016, in The Netherlands we have around the 55000 already. Next year we will get another 60000, but since a lot come illegally and the government has a history of underestimating the amount of refugees, you have to keep in mind that it may be even more.
Let's compare the size of both countries:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/WeOGnFQ.png?1[/img]
Can you see how there might be some fear of integration, especially when we have some history of buggery already?[/QUOTE]
I don't think you've ever popped on google maps and seen how about 95% of the population lives in a few large cities near the border and the rest is harsh and remote?
I'm curious as to how Vancouver will handle this. Our living costs are the highest in Canada and we routinely destroy homeless shelters and such so I do wonder how we're going to manage it. It'll be very costly for us.
[QUOTE=Kaelnukem;49294047]
Let's compare the size of both countries:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/WeOGnFQ.png?1[/img]
Can you see how there might be some fear of integration, especially when we have some history of buggery already?[/QUOTE]
I like how you plopped Netherlands right in the middle of nunavut. A literal barron ice shield wasteland with little to no signs of life.
Think of siberia in russia, how many people live there? That's exactly the same as what the upper half of Canada is.
An Ice covered tundra with no connection to the rest of the world, and almost no routes in or out of.
It's easy to forget just how god damn big Canada is.
[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;49295183]It's easy to forget just how god damn big Canada is.[/QUOTE]
Also easy to do basic research before criticizing a country for it's policy decisions.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49295108]I'm curious as to how Vancouver will handle this. Our living costs are the highest in Canada and we routinely destroy homeless shelters and such so I do wonder how we're going to manage it. It'll be very costly for us.[/QUOTE]
Judging by the way the rest of the world has often dealt with refugees, they will likely get free housing and food and stuff while the homeless and drug addicted remain at the same level of help.
Also, if the family in the video posted earlier is any indication, these are smart people who were educated and formerly "rich". They are used to living in a second world country (Pre war syria?) and I don't think anything less than proper accommodation will fly.
[QUOTE=Ajacks;49294639]Don't forget though that while Canada is massive, it is only home to 35 million. Where as the Netherlands is home to 16.8. While there's a lot more physical space, most of it is basically uninhabitable, with most major population centers within 200 miles of the border with the US. So taking on 25,000 to 50,000 is still a very significant commitment for Canada. If the US made a similar commitment we'd have to take in nearly half a million refugees.[/QUOTE]
Looking up inhabitable gave inaccurate numbers, so I wen't for cultivated land, arable land and population.
Let's all look at the numbers!
Information:
The Netherlands - area 7702 km2
Canada - area 474681 km2
USA - area 1669302 km2
Canada is 61 times bigger than The Netherlands
The USA is 3.5 times bigger than Canada.
What about arable land? Let's look at that as well!
Information:
The Netherlands - area 7441 km2
Canada - area 415573 km2
USA - area 1669302 km2
Canada is 55 times bigger than The Netherlands
The USA is 4 times bigger than Canada.
So does that mean that Canda should take in 2750000 and The USA 11000000?
Let's look at the amount of people that live in all our countries!
17 million in The Netherlands
35 million Canada
320 million in USA
This year the Netherlands took in 3 percent of it's population in refugees.
By that standard Canada should in 105000 refugees and the USA 960000.
combining this year and next year we will have 100000+ refugees, you can double those numbers.
I am shit at math, please check it if you want to! :D!
Thanks for all the smug responses, I do not mind being wrong. I will do my due diligence when I am wrong, please point out what I did wrong here.
Source:
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_use_statistics_by_country[/url]
Take me please, i've been wanting to move there all my life :(
[QUOTE=Source;49295434]Take me please, i've been wanting to move there all my life :([/QUOTE]
What's stopping you?
[QUOTE=Kaelnukem;49295394]Looking up inhabitable gave inaccurate numbers, so I wen't for cultivated land, arable land and population.
Let's all look at the numbers!
Information:
The Netherlands - area 7702 km2
Canada - area 474681 km2
USA - area 1669302 km2
Canada is 61 times bigger than The Netherlands
The USA is 3.5 times bigger than Canada.
What about arable land? Let's look at that as well!
Information:
The Netherlands - area 7441 km2
Canada - area 415573 km2
USA - area 1669302 km2
Canada is 55 times bigger than The Netherlands
The USA is 4 times bigger than Canada.
So does that mean that Canda should take in 2750000 and The USA 11000000?
Let's look at the amount of people that live in all our countries!
17 million in The Netherlands
35 million Canada
320 million in USA
This year the Netherlands took in 3 percent of it's population in refugees.
By that standard Canada should in 105000 refugees and the USA 960000.
combining this year and next year we will have 100000+ refugees, you can double those numbers.
I am shit at math, please check it if you want to! :D!
Thanks for all the smug responses, I do not mind being wrong. I will do my due diligence when I am wrong, please point out what I did wrong here.
Source:
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_use_statistics_by_country[/url][/QUOTE]
Your numbers seem good to me, I'll give you that. I consider this an ideal circumstance though. Like anything in politics, policies vary from country to country. Some countries bite off more than they can chew. Other countries have policies that do not allow the system to be overly strained.
So yea, technically canada has the space, though space isn't necessarily the issue here. Germany has the space, but look what happened when they realized space wasn't the only thing they needed.
[QUOTE=DiBBs27;49295524]Your numbers seem good to me, I'll give you that. I consider this an ideal circumstance though. Like anything in politics, policies vary from country to country. Some countries bite off more than they can chew. Other countries have policies that do not allow the system to be overly strained.
So yea, technically canada has the space, though space isn't necessarily the issue here. Germany has the space, but look what happened when they realized space wasn't the only thing they needed.[/QUOTE]
If European countries are biting off more than they can chew, Canada is taking a polite nibble and the US has licked the corner and turned it's nose up.
It makes me wonder. First world countries are taking in 25-500k people at once/per year, but the world population is growing at ~78 million per year (according to world population clock). It feel like we are now feeling the effects of a much larger process which, at this point, we are trying to empty the sinking ship with buckets. This is only going to get worse.
[QUOTE=squids_eye;49295543]If European countries are biting off more than they can chew, Canada is taking a polite nibble and the US has licked the corner and turned it's nose up.[/QUOTE]
Well we're known to be polite and Americans are known for being dicks.
When you think about it, seems pretty accurate.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;49295574]It makes me wonder. First world countries are taking in 25-500k people at once/per year, but the world population is growing at ~78 million per year (according to world population clock). It feel like we are now feeling the effects of a much larger process which, at this point, we are trying to empty the sinking ship with buckets. This is only going to get worse.[/QUOTE]
I completely agree. Historically wars have been great ways for population control.
[QUOTE=CottonTM;49295456]What's stopping you?[/QUOTE]
money, and currently trying to better my job prospects so i can apply to live over there.
Personally, helping 25,000 Syrians find a decent place to live in temporarily while potentially risking the lives of hundreds of Canadians due to terrorism is still a decent trade off.
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;49295609]Personally, helping 25,000 Syrians find a decent place to live in temporarily while potentially risking the lives of hundreds of Canadians due to terrorism is still a decent trade off.[/QUOTE]
Technically they are full citizens of Canada now. So it's only temporary if they decide to leave.
Oh yea, thats another thing, we are giving out citizenships, not just refuge.
[QUOTE=DiBBs27;49295634]
Oh yea, thats another thing, we are giving out citizenships, not just refuge.[/QUOTE]
Not to mention a few thousand in furniture giftcards and middle-class residence.
[QUOTE=Incoming.;49295656]Not to mention a few thousand in furniture giftcards and middle-class residence.[/QUOTE]
If that means their kids will be integrated then I think it is worth it. I came to Canada when I was one and a half and now I smoke weed and say sorry with the best of them. Giving those kids a middle class upbringing will benefit Canada in the long run assuming ISIS hasn't penetrated the immigration system.
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;49295609]Personally, helping 25,000 Syrians find a decent place to live in temporarily while potentially risking the lives of hundreds of Canadians due to terrorism is still a decent trade off.[/QUOTE]
My issue isn't with helping someone out. It's the bullshit that I read from people across the ocean who are severely underestimating the strain it can put on a country.
Yes, Canada has done a great job by taking in a massive amount of people. But so many keep forgetting that they are -literally- walking to Germany, Sweden and The Netherlands.
There isn't a border patrol everywhere, we don't have an ocean that is in between Syria and Western Europe. We cannot be picky, because we do not have that luxury and we will be seen as brutes if we mention it.
Meanwhile, The USA does bum fucking nothing to take in their part of the refugees (1200 since 2012), but is bombing the fuck out of it, which will only lead to more refugees coming to Europe.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;49295255]Also easy to do basic research before criticizing a country for it's policy decisions.[/QUOTE]
Indeed, I wish people looked into things more than just giving themselves a pat on the back.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;49295669]If that means their kids will be integrated then I think it is worth it. I came to Canada when I was one and a half and now I smoke weed and say sorry with the best of them. Giving those kids a middle class upbringing will benefit Canada in the long run assuming ISIS hasn't penetrated the immigration system.[/QUOTE]
They're all going into one apartment complex in the areas designated, which encourages what you could call a crowd mentality. I'm not saying it WILL become that, but I find it a bit stupid to not break things up a little bit so they have to get used to what surrounds them.
[QUOTE=kweh;49293009]Isn't quebec really crappy?
Anyway, gratz. Hope they can make a living there.[/QUOTE]
Montreal is one of the best cities in the world.
[editline]11th December 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=AntonioR;49294256]Canada gets a tap on the back by accepting well dressed families, while here we are called xenophobic white racist Nazis if we say anything against a group of men who throw rocks at our order police.[/QUOTE]
"Well dressed families"? Excuse me? You know people have donated their clothes. Not to mention just because someone has some aesthetically pleasing clothes doesn't mean they are living the life.
[editline]11th December 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Kaelnukem;49295394]Looking up inhabitable gave inaccurate numbers, so I wen't for cultivated land, arable land and population.
Let's all look at the numbers!
Information:
The Netherlands - area 7702 km2
Canada - area 474681 km2
USA - area 1669302 km2
Canada is 61 times bigger than The Netherlands
The USA is 3.5 times bigger than Canada.
What about arable land? Let's look at that as well!
Information:
The Netherlands - area 7441 km2
Canada - area 415573 km2
USA - area 1669302 km2
Canada is 55 times bigger than The Netherlands
The USA is 4 times bigger than Canada.
So does that mean that Canda should take in 2750000 and The USA 11000000?
Let's look at the amount of people that live in all our countries!
17 million in The Netherlands
35 million Canada
320 million in USA
This year the Netherlands took in 3 percent of it's population in refugees.
By that standard Canada should in 105000 refugees and the USA 960000.
combining this year and next year we will have 100000+ refugees, you can double those numbers.
I am shit at math, please check it if you want to! :D!
Thanks for all the smug responses, I do not mind being wrong. I will do my due diligence when I am wrong, please point out what I did wrong here.
Source:
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_use_statistics_by_country[/url][/QUOTE]
Space has nothing to do with it, it has everything to do with vacant housing.
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;49295708]Montreal is one of the best cities in the world.
[editline]11th December 2015[/editline]
"Well dressed families"? Excuse me? You know people have donated their clothes. Not to mention just because someone has some aesthetically pleasing clothes doesn't mean they are living the life.[/QUOTE]
This and this.
I've been to montreal and quebec on a few occasions. I love it there, and I'm from toronto.
And yea, there was a story about one of the refugees that came whos neighborhood got completely flattened. They are coming here with little more than the clothes on their back and accepting donations from canadians.
Admittedly they are being treated a lot better than in european countries, but thats only because there isn't a flash flood of immigrants on our border storming into the country all at once.
It's been handled like absolute shit in Europe. Though you've got to consider the options that they had. Not many.
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;49295708]
Space has nothing to do with it, it has everything to do with vacant housing.[/QUOTE]
So you are telling me that a country that has 55 times more land than The Netherlands and only double the population will have problems with finding vacant housing or finding room to build housing?
Do I really have to look up all the vacant houses in Canada and The Netherlands to prove my point?
The Netherlands is already building housing for refugees, in my own town of 28500 people there will be a facility built to house 600+ refugees. It will be around the 10000 to 12500 m2 big, so it's not really that small either. They will stay there for a maximum of 10 years.
''Sorry, I was wrong, Canada could do more and I understand now that the refugee situation is a bit more complicated than I orginally thought.'' Why is it that hard for you to say that? There is no shame in being wrong.
I fucked up before, I let my dumb comments stand and then I move on with a better understanding.
[QUOTE=Kaelnukem;49295956]So you are telling me that a country that has 55 times more land than The Netherlands and only double the population will have problems with finding vacant housing or finding room to build housing?
Do I really have to look up all the vacant houses in Canada and The Netherlands to prove my point?
The Netherlands is already building housing for refugees, in my own town of 28500 people there will be a facility built to house 600+ refugees. It will be around the 10000 to 12500 m2 big, so it's not really that small either. They will stay there for a maximum of 10 years.
''Sorry, I was wrong, Canada could do more and I understand now that the refugee situation is a bit more complicated than I orginally thought.'' Why is it that hard for you to say that? There is no shame in being wrong.
I fucked up before, I let my dumb comments stand and then I move on with a better understanding.[/QUOTE]
Last time I checked it wasn't a competition. All I was saying was that the amount of arable land is an irrelevant metric. Your thoughts of "Canada not doing enough" stems from an ignorance to our country, and I'm not about to sit here and claim to have an understanding of your country by googling statistics.
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;49295983]Last time I checked it wasn't a competition. All I was saying was that the amount of arable land is an irrelevant metric. Your thoughts of "Canada not doing enough" stems from an ignorance to our country, and I'm not about to sit here and claim to have an understanding of your country by googling statistics.[/QUOTE]
It has nothing to do with size, because most of our land is inhabitable.
It has nothing do with arable land, because most our houses are occupied.
It has nothing to do with being able to build housing, because statistics are a sign of ignorance.
So tell me what I have to look up then? You felt the need to reply that I was ignorant, I have had previous comments stating what I did was wrong.
I have shown you a lot of information, but somehow statistics are also a bad way to understand how much space a country has to house refugees.
Arable land is land that can be turned into land for crops, so that is also the land that is now used for housing but also what is already farm land.
I was even generous enough to use population as an example, because that makes it even less harsh on Canada.
It was never a competition, how the fuck did you even come to that conclusion. I also mentioned the USA doing fuck all and making the situation worse.
There are two conclusions here, Canada (and The US) does too little or Western European countries do too much. This isn't about it being a competition, it is about a flawed policy that people are unwilling to have a good discussion about.
If America alone took in the same amount of refugees as The Netherlands (comparitive to their size), the entire refugee problem would be fixed for Europe.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49295108]I'm curious as to how Vancouver will handle this. Our living costs are the highest in Canada and we routinely destroy homeless shelters and such so I do wonder how we're going to manage it. It'll be very costly for us.[/QUOTE]
Refugees will probably be provided with quality housing, shelters and tons of charity while the homeless continue to be homeless.
[QUOTE=DiBBs27;49295163]
Think of siberia in russia, how many people live there? That's exactly the same as what the upper half of Canada is.[/QUOTE]
About 19 million people according to Wikipedia, and that's the federal district alone, not counting the much larger historical area
There are massive cities like Novosibirsk, Omsk, Krasnoyarsk, Irkutsk... Not like you'd know anything about them though
Your knowledge of Russia seems to come entirely from whatever the media spews at you
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