Left 4 Dead 2 At Comic-Con, New Campign Revealed with Screen - Polidicks

[QUOTE=j00g0t0wnd;15993525]Go ahead, give me another wall of shit to yawn to as you try to be the Gregory House of marketing.[/QUOTE] ahahahaaa good one as you said in your last post, it's pretty useless trying to argue about this My point is not that this has anything to do with how the final product will look, and you seem to be overlooking that. I have overwhelming confidence in Valve that it will look fine / great at the end. But if they're trying to hype up their game they need to do a better job at it, otherwise they won't get the console gamers (soon to be their primary market) on board with the product

For all the years I went to Comic-Con except for this one. FML.

Ok I admit I can't wait for this game. Also the lightning looks good, the reason you say it might look bad is because its dark. BUT WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT LIGHTNING HERE!

[QUOTE=j00g0t0wnd;15993525]You seem to lack any ability to judge based on historical evidence. Since when did early screenshots have shit to do with the final product? Since when did Half Life 2's beta look better than the final? Since when did L4D's beta look better than the final? Do you see where I'm going with this? If you weren't so fucking dense, you'd realise that marketing has shit all to do with the state of the game in these pictures. If they were trying to advertise it, I'm sure they would pick better pictures. At least anything would be better than green 3D-looking lightening. It may not occur to you that Valve may not be like all other companies, that they release these screenshots to keep us up to date, not only necessarily to get us to buy the game. Go ahead, give me another wall of shit to yawn to as you try to be the Gregory House of marketing.[/QUOTE] He isn't talking about the Historical evidence. Imagine you have never heard of valve/haven't followed their work since half life. You don't know about all this "oh it changes they are just releasing alpha stuff", YOU know about valve, Brick knows about valve and how the game will look great. But no one can argue that most of those screenshots look like utter shit, from a MARKETING point of view anyone that is researching about L4D2 because they heard about it from a friend or something is going to find these and go "well that looks shit" and never look at it again. First impressions are everything in business and this a terrible one.

In short: This game looks like crap right now and there's no reason to show off crap. If you want to make me believe L4D2 isn't a rushed shit sequel show me some pics that convince me otherwise. Come on valve, if you've been working on this since before L4D was released it should look better than this.

[QUOTE=BricknHead;15992059]point? you don't fucking advertise a product until it's presentable it'd be understandable if they weren't making a big deal of it and saying; "Look! Screens!" and it was just an informal display + demo yes I'm also aware it's the article, so it's their responsibility, but still unless the product has been canceled and there is little to no content available I don't see why anyone would be interested in alpha shots. They're ugly as fuck and don't give the game justice. (Or even worse, they do) [editline]01:19AM[/editline] Actually I'm going to go a step further and say I'm fucking tired of that argument. People hide behind it like it's some impenetrable wall that prevents any sort of criticism for a product. I don't care what goddamn stage it's at, if they're releasing screenshots that means they're advertising their product. It's not my problem to sift through which ones are alpha shots and which ones are finished products. When you're trying to sell something you want it looking it's best before you start releasing media about it and [I]showing it off.[/I] In fact, it's extremely childish to use that argument and it's extremely unprofessional. You don't write a term paper and hand it into your professor so he can examine it if it looks like shit. You can say "It's a work in progress" but in the end you're still showing him shit, and you're wasting his time. And that's what's going on here. The screens look, simply put, terrible. Like a last generation game. Fullbright. Fog in the background which is in place to lower draw distance. Low resolution textures and lackluster geometry. What's worse is everything's got that "soft" look that console games are notorious for. [url=http://images.totalgamingnetwork.com/images/L4D2_9.jpg]This picture is a pretty good example.[/url] I love Valve and hopefully L4D2 will be good, but these screenshots should not have been released, and that demo had better be better looking than this. As much as you can say "gameplay before graphics" there is a certain level of laziness associated with releasing product that looks shitty. I know Valve can do better, and it disappoints me that they're not.[/QUOTE] They're not trying to sell you the product here, they're showing you what they will try to sell you eventually (when it is finished). That's why companies show games in development at E3 and other conferences instead of games already developed. Nobody can have a final opinion on a game that is still being developed, when you see ANY screenshots from L4D2 BEFORE the game is released, it's your obligation to automatically assume that the final product will not be like that UNLESS they tell you otherwise, you can't really tell if the final product is gonna look like x or y until it is actually [b]final[/b]. EDIT: Might I add that you have no information whatsoever on the computer systems the screenshots were taken on? Seriously, do you honestly think L4D2 will look WORSE than L4D1 (or any other source game for that matter), when Valve themselves said that they are updating the graphics engine? Since when has Valve put crappy texture work onto their games? (HL1 doesn't count, the textures were pretty good for those times :v:) I should also add that if there's something making Valve lose sales, it's not the crappy screenshots that some places are showing off but the bullshit the boycotters spread, I've had 5 different people who didn't want to buy L4D2 because of lies the boycotters told them and as soon as I showed them what L4D2 really had to offer they automatically changed their opinion. When it comes to Valve, it's the word of mouth that is important, someone might research L4D2 now and see some shit screenshots and think it won't be good, but when all his friends and their mothers are playing it, that person will research again and see that it is in fact much better from what he saw before and buy it.

Brickinhead is correct, how could you possibly disagree with it, you'd have to be a moron.

[QUOTE=Rusty100;16013315]Brickinhead is correct, how could you possibly disagree with it, you'd have to be a moron.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry :(

[quote=bricknhead;15991882]wow the screens look terrible[/quote] lal surce :>

Turtle Rock studios fails again. First fail was Counter-Strike:Condition Zero which was just changed weapon models and 1 campaign with bots and thanks to them they divided community into CS 1.6 and CS:CZ players. Deleted Scenes version by Ritual was much more creative.

[IMG]http://images.totalgamingnetwork.com/images/L4D2_PC_Box.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://images.totalgamingnetwork.com/images/L4D2_PC_Box_01.jpg[/IMG] hmm.... I think I preferred the first design... :raise:

1st one is better. 2nd one looks like some summer crap, but on other hand 1st one is way too much similar to L4D1.

[QUOTE=Gordon Frohm;16018396][IMG]http://images.totalgamingnetwork.com/images/L4D2_PC_Box.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://images.totalgamingnetwork.com/images/L4D2_PC_Box_01.jpg[/IMG] hmm.... I think I preferred the first design... :raise:[/QUOTE] I think the yellow one might be a fake. Look on the left side of the picture, where it's supposed to show the side of the box. In the green one, it's fine, but in the yellow one, it's still green. So it's either some intense photoshop or Valve missed it. Or this boxart really sucks balls.

[QUOTE=j00g0t0wnd;16019340]I think the yellow one might be a fake. Look on the left side of the picture, where it's supposed to show the side of the box. In the green one, it's fine, but in the yellow one, it's still green. So it's either some intense photoshop or Valve missed it. Or this boxart really sucks balls.[/QUOTE] If it's fake, then Valve is distributing fake covers on their own FTP for the press to use.

[QUOTE=BricknHead;15993045]Don't kid yourself. Screenshots are released to stir interest about a game and to give some bit of insight into how it will play / look. That's exactly what Valve is doing. You glorify them as if they're your best friends. Valve is a good company, but when it comes down to it, that's what they are. A company. You are [B]a customer[/B]. That's it. This makes no sense whatsoever. Gaming companies don't ever change development based upon feedback on screenshots. And I'm not disputing the fact that valve polishes their work. That's one of the good things. My argument is far from bullshit, it's taking a market approach to it. It's really fucking simple. YOU RELEASE THINGS THAT LOOK GOOD TO GET GOOD RESPONSE AND GOOD PR. YOU DON'T RELEASE SHIT. It doesn't matter what comes in the future. There are plenty of consumers that will look at these screenshots, say "Wow that game looks shitty" and never look at it again. Because while many gamers like us may be more intelligent and know that the finished product will look good, the overwhelming majority of the market (console gamers) are casual and will look at this in a completely shallow manner. It's a business. You follow through with good business tactics, or you fail in the market. It's quite simple. And if these are the "hype" screens that valve loves to do, that's just killing your argument further. It's advertising. As much as you'd love to argue otherwise, the point of a company is to make money. If you didn't buy Valve's products, they would stop making them. And in order to make people buy their products, they release press information and media to show off their work.[/QUOTE] And yet they will still make millions upon millions of dollars from L4D2.

[quote]YOU RELEASE THINGS THAT LOOK GOOD TO GET GOOD RESPONSE AND GOOD PR.[/quote] One hundred copies of old GamePro and EGM magazines would like to speak with you. It's a tight-rope, balancing when to release advertisment for your game. Too early and people lose interest. Too late and you'll have a bad launch. Too little and people will lose interest. Too much and people will get too saturated and feel that they've already played much of the game. Whether to release that 'one great shot in the first level that has a horrible texture problem we hope nobody notices' or 'this other shot that is much less exciting but doesn't have any issues'. Let's not even discuss what happens when you start showing off portions of a level that don't 'make it' into the game or any assets that might even possibly be cut being prominently displayed. When your targetted audience is as turbulent as their audience for L4D2 is right now, their marketing folks are probably warring quite a lot amongst themselves on what to or not to release. One side to consider would be to not release anything until launch but then aggregate sentiment might linger and (marketer's worst nightmare) produce 'eternally turned off' players whose sentiment seeps into their network of friends whose sentiment seeps into [b]their[/b] network of friends who [etc.] all won't even look at the great new shots you publish months later as they no longer care about your game. Then there's releasing the best that's handy that doesn't give away a lot of the game -- this amidst a firestorm of people stating that you haven't shown off enough new content yet. You [i]could[/i] go the route of releasing the best shot you have period, irrespective to spoilers, but that's really hard to do when one of your key gameplay mechanics is surprise (granted, this is supposedly a lessened issue with Director 2.0 if word is to be believed). And there's a lot more to discuss there. A [i]lot[/i] more. But this isn't Marketing Theory and I'm not a professor. To bring all this to a head: Sometimes, you have to know when to let go and let some of your game out the door when you're being put in a fix. Even if you don't appease everyone, you'll at least appease some people. I'm sure they're well aware that they are going to put some people off and other people into a fit; but I doubt there's a whole lot they could do in their cases anyway but just let them play the demo and make up their own damn minds as they won't be satisfied any other way (and some of those won't even be satisfied then). In sum: Sometimes you do release shit.

[QUOTE=Zips;16020345]If it's fake, then Valve is distributing fake covers on their own FTP for the press to use.[/QUOTE] Keyword: OR.

[QUOTE=Butthurter;16036621]Keyword: IF.[/QUOTE] If you're acting stupid, it's not making anybody laugh.

[QUOTE=j00g0t0wnd;16043896]If you're acting stupid, it's not making anybody laugh.[/QUOTE] I think what he's trying to say is you said 'keyword OR' in your post when you quoted his post that didn't even have the word 'or' in it. It clearly said 'If' [QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;16023107]In sum: Sometimes you do release shit.[/QUOTE] This clearly isn't one of those times where you do because these pictures probably aren't doing the game any justice. At least I hope they aren't.

[QUOTE=Zips;16020345]If it's fake, then Valve is distributing fake covers on their own FTP for the press to use.[/QUOTE] huh.. sorta makes me wish I had access to those FTPs then I wouldn't have to be bugged the fuck out that the news sites showing them slap their ugly watermarks on them... I'd have the high quality original versions of their pictures und videos... *sigh* that's be great :D

[QUOTE=Gordon Frohm;16057369]huh.. sorta makes me wish I had access to those FTPs then I wouldn't have to be bugged the fuck out that the new sites showing them slap their ugly watermarks on them... I'd have the high quality original versions of their pictures und videos... *sigh* that's be great :D[/QUOTE] There's nothing terribly exciting in the FTP. Everything that they put up is pretty much for the media to freely distribute. There are a few rare exceptions.

[QUOTE=Evil_Toaster;16044719]I think what he's trying to say is you said 'keyword OR' in your post when you quoted his post that didn't even have the word 'or' in it. It clearly said 'If' This clearly isn't one of those times where you do because these pictures probably aren't doing the game any justice. At least I hope they aren't.[/QUOTE] I was referring to my post. I said either it's fake OR etc, etc... But idiots jump to conclusions.