Scientists say they’re getting closer to Matrix-style instant learning
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I would abuse the heck out of this. I'm still waiting for external temporary memory, so I can unplug myself after beating a good video game, and then plug in a new receptacle and perceive it all for the first time again.
[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;33711302]I kind of don't want this to happen
it'd take away your self worth in what you do for a job, and anyone could just take your place that had the same schooling software.
The only valuable skills would be strength, and artistic innovation/creativity.[/QUOTE]
We're already at the point where anyone who's literate can access a huge amount of information and even learn to understand it if they wish to, I just see this as a natural progression of that
[editline]13th December 2011[/editline]
Dammit, broke my automerge
Holy shit, think of the possibilities of this! A world of super-intelligent people, world unity, abolishing religion, no squabbling dumbshit politicians, everyone will have something to relate to each other.
The future is going to be awesome, i'm feeling really optimistic right now.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;33712632]Holy shit, think of the possibilities of this! A world of super-intelligent people, world unity, abolishing religion, no squabbling dumbshit politicians, everyone will have something to relate to each other.
The future is going to be awesome, i'm feeling really optimistic right now.[/QUOTE]
You have an awfully broad spectrum of super-intelligence.
Awww, where's the fun in just INSTANTLY KNOWING EVERYTHING.
Getting there and in between point a and point b is what you relish, the knowledge yes, but i bet all you college alumni's out there learned quite a lot and had a hell of a time doing it. Whether that time was stressful or fun, you still experienced and unintentionally learned other things.
I mentioned this to my parents.
My father gets quiet and sits me down, and is like:
"Son, who do you think is giving them the ability to come up with this technology? All their synthetic human flesh and their study is cute but let's see them create a blade of grass. God has had this ability, and they think they're coming up with something new? God invented Science!
You know it says that in the bible, about miracles coming in the end days. They said technology has advanced more in the last 100 years than the rest of the history of man."
I was speechless and walked back into my room.
[QUOTE=mysteryman;33712656]Getting there and in between point a and point b is what you relish[/QUOTE]
Yeah nah, I'd rather have it done with no effort thank you.
Learn me everything about playing the guitar, and I'll be set for life.
[QUOTE=mysteryman;33712656]Awww, where's the fun in just INSTANTLY KNOWING EVERYTHING.
Getting there and in between point a and point b is what you relish, the knowledge yes, but i bet all you college alumni's out there learned quite a lot and had a hell of a time doing it. Whether that time was stressful or fun, you still experienced and unintentionally learned other things.[/QUOTE]
The point of progress is not for "fun" it's for improving the world.
[QUOTE=Vandel;33713429]The point of progress is not for "fun" it's for improving the world.[/QUOTE]
While what you're saying is something completely admirable, i stand by what i said. Specifically the end where you learn many things that you otherwise wouldn't have learned if not for the experience.
[editline]14th December 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Zezibesh;33712840]Yeah nah, I'd rather have it done with no effort thank you.[/QUOTE]
That seems to be taking a detrimental path actually. If you have that mindset at least. Yes you could learn it instantly, but if you don't want to put effort into it, you are undeserving of that knowledge, nor will you probably utilize it wisely. Sure you could learn cold fusion with ease thanks to this machine, but if you didn't want to put effort into learning it, why would you put effort into using it to better nuclear power?
[QUOTE=dvondrake;33713557]If it's overused it'll completely destroy our concepts of talent and uniqueness. It'll no longer be of any significance to be talented, you'll just press a button and then suddenly you have that talent too. It'll also get rid of the sense of achievement you receive while getting better at something. While it sounds cool in theory, this is seriously a terrible, terrible idea.[/QUOTE]
Again you are rejecting something which could revolutionize society simply because you want to feel good about learning something.
[QUOTE=Vandel;33713429]The point of progress is not for "fun" it's for improving the world.[/QUOTE]
although i agree partially... avatar fits
[QUOTE=Vandel;33713597]Again you are rejecting something which could revolutionize society simply because you want to feel good about learning something.[/QUOTE]
This reminds me so heavily of socialism and communism.
Well, here's what I've thought about lately.
The combined playtime of everyone in call of duty: Modern warefare 2 is over 5000 years in total.
Now imagine if everybody had the knowledge to research and develop new technologies and inventions for the future! We would be 5000 years ahead of where we were now!
Unfortunately, it's human nature to have as much fun as possible, so the idea is far-fetched, but good.
[QUOTE=Sled Dog;33713787]Well, here's what I've thought about lately.
The combined playtime of everyone in call of duty: Modern warefare 2 is over 5000 years in total.
Now imagine if everybody had the knowledge to research and develop new technologies and inventions for the future! We would be 5000 years ahead of where we were now!
Unfortunately, it's human nature to have as much fun as possible, so the idea is far-fetched, but good.[/QUOTE]
Reality doesn't work like that. People have different interests and are good at different things. And if every single person would be dedicated to research and development, who is going to produce the electricity, grow the food, build the equipment?
[QUOTE=dvondrake;33713775]So you'd be fine living in a society with no individuality? You've only really responded to one of my points there, I think the other is way more significant. Though if you really must dwell on that one point, what's left to do in life once you're a genius and can do anything in the world with the snap of a finger? It would be rather boring, I'm sure you can agree.[/quote]
Oh silly me, here I was thinking individuality was tied to your personality and the way you express yourself, not knowledge. By your logic two kids who have no hobbies and finish school with the exact same grades and knowledge are not different individuals.
And once again, knowledge != intelligence. So what if everyone has perfect knowledge of quantum physics theories? Most people will not be able to utilize them in any manner. A person with an athlete's knowledge does not have the body of an athlete. Will a person who knows everything about playing a guitar but has never actually touched one be able to play Stairway to Heaven in one go? Muscle memory needs to be developed.
[QUOTE=dvondrake;33713775]Back to the other point, imagine a brilliant artist who's admired across the world for his inspiring work. In such a society, you can say "ooh, I want to be an amazing artist too!" and push the "learn painting" button and instantly be as good at painting as him. Suddenly his artistry is completely insignificant and worthless if it can be recreated by the push of a button. [/quote]
We can already scan a picture and produce a pretty swell copy of it. Why are original photographs still so highly valued?
[QUOTE=dvondrake;33713775]I can see for learning things like engineering and physics studies this would be great because it would greatly accelerate scientific discovery, but for anything else it would just be terrible. Everyone would essentially become the same as their talents would no longer hold any relevance, since anyone could pick them up at any instant rather than naturally having the aptitude naturally. One would no longer require an "artistic eye" to get into photography or the likes, you'd just push a button and suddenly you have the talent of a professional photographer. It's a very, very bleak future if you actually take the time to think about it this way.[/QUOTE]
In my opinion if this became widespread it would simply promote equality. Not everyone has the time or financial means to pursue something like playing a flute as a serious hobby. Why should many of these things be reserved only to those who have the time and money to practice?
Please happen in my lifetime.
[QUOTE=stuky4ever;33698285]If this method falls under the wrong hands...[/QUOTE]
Brain Anti-Virus
Comes in basic, regular or premium.
[QUOTE=dvondrake;33713775]So you'd be fine living in a society with no individuality? You've only really responded to one of my points there, I think the other is way more significant. Though if you really must dwell on that one point, what's left to do in life once you're a genius and can do anything in the world with the snap of a finger? It would be rather boring, I'm sure you can agree.
Back to the other point, imagine a brilliant artist who's admired across the world for his inspiring work. In such a society, you can say "ooh, I want to be an amazing artist too!" and push the "learn painting" button and instantly be as good at painting as him. Suddenly his artistry is completely insignificant and worthless if it can be recreated by the push of a button. I can see for learning things like engineering and physics studies this would be great because it would greatly accelerate scientific discovery, but for anything else it would just be terrible. Everyone would essentially become the same as their talents would no longer hold any relevance, since anyone could pick them up at any instant rather than naturally having the aptitude naturally. One would no longer require an "artistic eye" to get into photography or the likes, you'd just push a button and suddenly you have the talent of a professional photographer. It's a very, very bleak future if you actually take the time to think about it this way.[/QUOTE]
Why can't anyone read the thread?
[b][i]This does not make you smarter or give you instant creativity.[/I][/b]
If anything the only things the person would learn from the painter is painting techniques and painting theory, but that doesn't mean that whoever "downloads" the painters knowledge suddenly has his creativity, his life experiences, all the things that made him a unique individual and influence his art
[editline]14th December 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=blackfire88;33714587]Brain Anti-Virus
Comes in basic, regular or premium.[/QUOTE]
Why would an anti-virus have anything to do with this
at all
So this is basically just like reading a book instantly and retaining all the information? I have no problem with that, educational books are boring and you still need to be taught to understand it not just know it so it doesn't even affect schooling that much.
[QUOTE=Fourm Shark;33705188]Just got an Idea, Teach everyone everything we know of math and physics, and see what happens.[/QUOTE]
Have a bunch of people with a bunch of knowledge they aren't able to use. You need to have a certain cognitive ability to be able to work with high level maths and physics. As I've said previously - this is amazing for basic motor skills and information based subjects.
It's bad for stuff that requires a certain motor talent or certain ways of thinking and the ability to think. As it won't be able to give you more than you are capable of.
Essentially amazing for most stuff in primary and high school. Almost everything that's college level though will not work terribly well. On top of that, unless it can give you a learning and understand ability as well (the most important part you learn at primary and high school levels) college education overall would brutally suffer.
Essentially until you're at university you don't realise what your earlier education thought you. Fuck trivia, fuck knowledge, you forget the majority of that anyway. They teach you how to be able to anylise information and think. Which is the most important part of low level education.
[QUOTE=Zezibesh;33714171]Reality doesn't work like that. People have different interests and are good at different things. And if every single person would be dedicated to research and development, who is going to produce the electricity, grow the food, build the equipment?
Oh silly me, here I was thinking individuality was tied to your personality and the way you express yourself, not knowledge. By your logic two kids who have no hobbies and finish school with the exact same grades and knowledge are not different individuals.
And once again, knowledge != intelligence. So what if everyone has perfect knowledge of quantum physics theories? Most people will not be able to utilize them in any manner. A person with an athlete's knowledge does not have the body of an athlete. Will a person who knows everything about playing a guitar but has never actually touched one be able to play Stairway to Heaven in one go? Muscle memory needs to be developed.
We can already scan a picture and produce a pretty swell copy of it. Why are original photographs still so highly valued?
In my opinion if this became widespread it would simply promote equality. Not everyone has the time or financial means to pursue something like playing a flute as a serious hobby. Why should many of these things be reserved only to those who have the time and money to practice?[/QUOTE]
Partially agree with a bit of this, but you could have said what you said in a less condescending assholish manner.
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