• Notch on Steam "I worry about the PC as a gaming platform becoming owned by a single entity that tak
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Really 30% is too much to ask for? I mean if i was an indie developer and created my first game, i would be thrilled if steam passed it and asked for 30% of the sales. Advertisements would be taken care of, you would gain access to the largest online market, it would lessen the load on customer support, and you could use steam workshop to allow your game to be made even better. Yeah he would lose a little over $8 but whats that in the long run? He's just been graced with the amount of people spreading the game. Steams not there to steal your money. [QUOTE=cwook;36944163]I think that the only way other online sales can compete with steam is by filling a unique niche. A good example of this is GOG.[/QUOTE] Ill admit ive bought a few games from there since they offer wallpapers, concept art, soundtracks, walkthroughs, avatars with their purchases
I think everyone's patience with notch wore out long long ago. The PC distribution market is not owned by steam - there are plenty other methods of digital distribution out there. The fact that steam is the major service is because the vast majority of consumers decided it was the best, fairest, service. At least I know how embarrassed everyone is by Notch, remember seeing him with todd howard and mr. howard looked like he was genuinely shocked that someone like Notch could be the head of such a huge game. sometimes I wonder what the other guys at Mojang think of him.
He needs that extra 30% for his vacation money.
[QUOTE=HighOnSinz;36943813]Unless I am mistaken the statement of 30% just follows speculation by others. The actual amount probably varies and is unknown due to NDA's. However regardless it is still a fair amount when you look at the same cuts out of physical sales ect. Either way I for one welcome our continuing valve overlords.[/QUOTE] I can't be sure but I dare to guess physical copy retailers ask for more than 30%. [editline]26th July 2012[/editline] Steam also offers priceless features in Steamworks, advertisement, updating infrastructure, community integration... I am pretty sure they are still a killer deal for 90% of devs.
Seriously Notch? You've been behaving like a giant baby for the last couple of year. Just admit that you don't know a shit about game industry and stop this shit.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;36943885]How about instead of complaining of a steam dominated market someone actually makes a service that can compete with steam?[/QUOTE] That'd work out well! -cough-Origin-cough-
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[QUOTE=Mr.T;36944251]I love Facepunch's biased opionion about Steam and Notch.[/QUOTE] Well, if you do have a strong opinion on anything, you are pretty much biased. Ignoring other opinions is called bigotry, and we don't ignore other opinions, we argue against them, and sometimes prove them to be wrong. Most of us anyway.
[QUOTE=Mr.T;36944251]I love Facepunch's biased opionion about Steam and Notch.[/QUOTE] But is it biased if its true? I read most of this thread and they aren't making any shit up AFAIK.
Notch can be such an idiot; Steam is in a position where they are offering a great service to consumers without the hassle of useless DRMs. Even though Steam in itself is a DRM it isn't as obtrusive as other measures that we all have seen. (Ubisoft for one)
yet he releases his game on xbla, ios, and android who own their respective platforms. fuck off notch.
[QUOTE=ShazzyFreak0;36944294]yet he releases his game on xbla, ios, and android who own their respective platforms. fuck off notch.[/QUOTE] What percent do each of those take from sales? Just wondering.
[QUOTE=taipan;36943816]Wow 30%? For a game they didnt even develop. [editline]26th July 2012[/editline] Ok.[/QUOTE] Valve takes 50% of gmod sales iirc, because half life etc licensing.
Notch is dumb, old news
[QUOTE=legolover122;36944298]What percent do each of those take from sales? Just wondering.[/QUOTE] XBLA takes thousands of dollars just as certification costs, unless you're Notch, because he apparently gets a free ride.
[QUOTE=Mr.T;36944251]I love Facepunch's biased opionion about Steam and Notch.[/QUOTE] As much as this is evident this is probably one of the justified times so there's no need to point it out, you won't look any cooler. I wouldn't go as far as saying steam offers this godlike deal to developers - but it is a reliable and pretty damn profitable method of distribution and I haven't heard any complaints about it except from sources/companies who I don't find reliable, like EA. Furthermore, Notch has a reputation for running his mouth without remembering the fact that people actually listen to him now. Not the first time this has happened. At least this time it makes more sense than previous times. He wants a reliable method of self-publishing. Fair enough as an ideal but practically that will never work.
Watch as Facepunch dismisses a valid point just because it's against Valve. Steam is amazing and I couldn't be more happy with it. [B]For now.[/B] But no one knows what will happen in the next 10 years. Sooner or later Gabe will step down as Director. Who will take his place? Maybe they go public? No one knows. Monopolies are never a good thing in the long run. [B]edit: [/B]What I'm saying is that you can't let your guard down or you won't even notice it going to shit. It's okay to be appreciative but you should also be protective. Don't allow them to change what made it good in the first place.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;36944315]Valve takes 50% of gmod sales iirc, because half life etc licensing.[/QUOTE] Valve takes more than average from GMod sales and you've never seen Garry say anything bad about Valve (with exception of slow patch roll-outs which they have fixed already).
As opposed to retailers who buy off the developers for the full price?
[QUOTE=PowerBall v1;36944338]Watch as Facepunch dismisses a valid point just because it's against Valve. Steam is amazing and I couldn't be more happy with it. [B]For now.[/B] But no one knows what will happen in the next 10 years. Sooner or later Gabe will step down as Director. Who will take is place? Maybe they go public? No one knows. Monopolies are never a good thing in the long run.[/QUOTE] While I do understand your concern, Valve have proven several times that unlike other big publishers, they don't do dumb shit just because they can get away with it.
Really if you read the article, the thing that gets people annoyed is when he says that steam takes 30% of all profits because it makes it seem like he's attacking it, even though really all he's trying to say is that some healthy competition is nice and self-publishing would be a nice future to invest in. [QUOTE=Jack Trades;36944363]While I do understand your concern, Valve have proven several times that unlike other big publishers, they don't do dumb shit just because they can get away with it.[/QUOTE] Much can change in the future. just because they've proven it several times doesn't mean it'll keep following the same course.
[QUOTE=Jack Trades;36944340]Valve takes more than average from GMod sales and you've never seen Garry say anything bad about Valve (with exception of slow patch roll-outs which they have fixed already).[/QUOTE] I know, I wasn't implying that it's a bad thing, garry made millions from gmod sales and gmod uses half life resources so it's only fair he pays for that.
[QUOTE=Mr.T;36944251]I love Facepunch's biased opionion about Steam and Notch.[/QUOTE] Not taking a stance means you're superior! Forget reasons! But it's cute how Notch thinks he can criticize when he's done bad things himself. And everyone here knows monopolies are bad. Steam is simply the best DD platform. If you want to rely on digging up discs go ahead buy the game and burn an untethered torrented version if you must.
[QUOTE=killerteacup;36944366]Really if you read the article, the thing that gets people annoyed is when he says that steam takes 30% of all profits because it makes it seem like he's attacking it, even though really all he's trying to say is that some healthy competition is nice and self-publishing would be a nice future to invest in. [/QUOTE] I at least am for competition against steam, as it usually causes the consumer to benifit. But unfortuantly there is probably a very large cost of starting a online game distribution program so you cant just put one up in a day. And so far the only major attempt at competition was origin but it was pretty lame (except download speeds. I got 2.5 MBPS where on steam I usually get 1.5 MBPS). and the only way they rose in popularity was forcing people to join so they could play BF3 and ME3 on PC.
I still remember the time when most of you were obsessing over minecraft and any bad comment about notch or minecraft got tons of dumbs.
[QUOTE=killerteacup;36944366]Much can change in the future. just because they've proven it several times doesn't mean it'll keep following the same course.[/QUOTE] At which point the numerous other not-so-prominent services could start taking on displaced customers. It's not like telecom companies where there's a geographical element to things.
[QUOTE=DarkMonkey;36944416]At which point the numerous other not-so-prominent services could start taking on displaced customers. It's not like telecom companies where there's a geographical element to things.[/QUOTE] However people might be reluctant to switch from their accounts they've already invested hundreds of dollars in.
[QUOTE=Alxnotorious;36944245]That'd work out well! -cough-Origin-cough-[/QUOTE] I said compete with steam.
[QUOTE=FpShepard;36944409]I still remember the time when most of you were obsessing over minecraft and any bad comment about notch or minecraft got tons of dumbs.[/QUOTE] Then vacations happened. Judging by people's reactions, however, I think it's far more likely Notch molested a whole lot of kids ten or so years ago, and those memories finally started to surface.
[QUOTE=FpShepard;36944409]I still remember the time when most of you were obsessing over minecraft and any bad comment about notch or minecraft got tons of dumbs.[/QUOTE] He was good back in the day when he actually released updates. Remember weekly updates? We didn't get much but it was still content. And I rather small amounts of content regularly than large amount all at once after several months wait. Now he just takes vacations and now isn't even main person of minecraft anymore. He handed it off to jeb so he could take even MORE vacations. Good back then. Bad right now. Thats why dumbs back then. It would be like if someone called gabe a lazy fuck for no reason now. You can bet your ass you would get dumbed to hell and back.
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