• Notch on Steam "I worry about the PC as a gaming platform becoming owned by a single entity that tak
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I wonder what the future of steam will be when Gabe steps down
[QUOTE=SonicMushroom;36950020]I love how notch keeps hating on valve when they gave him a hat on tf2.[/QUOTE] their blog post on the TF2 blog years ago made MC so much more popular too
[QUOTE=Gumi;36943848]That depends on what game you're talking about[/QUOTE] At a minimum they'd have to host the master server. For any game that uses steamwork.
[QUOTE=Ybbats;36953014]Then you just aren't listening to anyone with an objective thought in their head. The one thing I like about Notch (boxes plzx) is that he's not a greedy fuck like everyone I seem to see after they get a little bit of success and it clearly goes straight to their head. Valve has been a great company in the past, but now that Steam is getting bigger I clearly see them getting bigger and bigger egos about all the 'cool unconventional business methods' and yet they do LESS and LESS for their actual customers. They're becoming a marketing heavy company just like Apple, and I'm kind of getting tired of them doing nothing about that fact and every stupid fucking gamer kissing their asses regardless because they're ignorant and don't actually follow the companys actions at all. I guess they see these summer sales and shit and go "OH VALVE IS SO AWESOME TO DO STUFF LIKE THIS, THEY REALLY CARE ABOUT ME"... They care about MONEY. They're a cold secretive business like pretty much any other company, they make more money off these sales than normal business, that's why they do it. And then they introduce shit like badges, which are obviously just to get people to buy more games. 'cool unethical and immoral business practices bro'[/QUOTE] They care about money while caring about their customers because you know their customers have money
[QUOTE=latin_geek;36955407]They care about money while caring about their customers because you know their customers have money[/QUOTE]I'm not sure what your point is, all companies have to appear like they care about their customers, it doesn't mean they all do. Just look at how cult-like all their followers are in this thread, they don't even read what Notch said, they just jump in front of the float to defend their precious Valve, and just are unable to plainly state what it is that valve DOES that makes them such a great company. And I mean, not in the creative side of things, but the business side. Their business strategies are of the exact same type as I see from every company, which is why I really don't have much more respect for them than those other average companies.
[QUOTE=Ybbats;36955569]I'm not sure what your point is, all companies have to appear like they care about their customers, it doesn't mean they all do. Just look at how cult-like all their followers are in this thread, they don't even read what Notch said, they just jump in front of the float to defend their precious Valve, and just are unable to plainly state what it is that valve DOES that makes them such a great company. And I mean, not in the creative side of things, but the business side. Their business strategies are of the exact same type as I see from every company, which is why I really don't have much more respect for them than those other average companies.[/QUOTE]They have read what he said, they're just disputing it. That's kinda what you do with these things. It wouldn't be any better if they just suddenly decided to switch to Notch's side simply because he made a statement. And lets just play to the second part of your argument real quick. What do they actually do that makes them so bad? Not vague references to unspecified actions, but real and serious proof.
[QUOTE=Ybbats;36953014]Then you just aren't listening to anyone with an objective thought in their head. The one thing I like about Notch (boxes plzx) is that he's not a greedy fuck like everyone I seem to see after they get a little bit of success and it clearly goes straight to their head. Valve has been a great company in the past, but now that Steam is getting bigger I clearly see them getting bigger and bigger egos about all the 'cool unconventional business methods' and yet they do LESS and LESS for their actual customers. They're becoming a marketing heavy company just like Apple, and I'm kind of getting tired of them doing nothing about that fact and every stupid fucking gamer kissing their asses regardless because they're ignorant and don't actually follow the companys actions at all. I guess they see these summer sales and shit and go "OH VALVE IS SO AWESOME TO DO STUFF LIKE THIS, THEY REALLY CARE ABOUT ME"... They care about MONEY. They're a cold secretive business like pretty much any other company, they make more money off these sales than normal business, that's why they do it. [b]And then they introduce shit like badges, which are obviously just to get people to buy more games.[/b] 'cool unethical and immoral business practices bro'[/QUOTE] I know it's fairly minor, but you realize that out of all the badges they added, only one was for buying a game, right? (And buying a game for cheap no less) The rest was just community stuff and records of things that had already happened.
How much does notch even pay Jeb & the rest? If it's less than a million dollars each per year, which i suspect it is, then that's a bit shit.
Other developers/publishers struggle to compete with Valve because they have filled a big niche in the market... Quality of service.
To be fair, notch has proven you don't need things like steam to sell and distribute a game.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;36957395]good old games greenmangaming gamersgate all have excellent service and aren't nearly as popular due to exclusivity of games and general fanbase that steam has also, for at least 2 of those, you don't need to have the client running to play the games (unless you get a steamworks game on gmg)[/QUOTE] The irony of this is that they are less popular because they don't have a program which you have to use to play games from. Steam has the advantage of being impossible to not use by pretty much all pc gamers.
[QUOTE=MILKE;36954667]I wonder what the future of steam will be when Gabe steps down[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/f/fa/Immortality_machine.png/300px-Immortality_machine.png[/IMG] Gabe shall live and rule forever.
[QUOTE=Ybbats;36953014]Then you just aren't listening to anyone with an objective thought in their head. The one thing I like about Notch (boxes plzx) is that he's not a greedy fuck like everyone I seem to see after they get a little bit of success and it clearly goes straight to their head. Valve has been a great company in the past, but now that Steam is getting bigger I clearly see them getting bigger and bigger egos about all the 'cool unconventional business methods' and yet they do LESS and LESS for their actual customers. They're becoming a marketing heavy company just like Apple, and I'm kind of getting tired of them doing nothing about that fact and every stupid fucking gamer kissing their asses regardless because they're ignorant and don't actually follow the companys actions at all. I guess they see these summer sales and shit and go "OH VALVE IS SO AWESOME TO DO STUFF LIKE THIS, THEY REALLY CARE ABOUT ME"... They care about MONEY. They're a cold secretive business like pretty much any other company, they make more money off these sales than normal business, that's why they do it. And then they introduce shit like badges, which are obviously just to get people to buy more games. 'cool unethical and immoral business practices bro'[/QUOTE] Except that valve actually cares about its customers, and communicates with them all the time, those badges,most of the are for community related things, only one I think was for buying a game during the summer sale, and their quality of service far exceeds that of any other gamestore. Also, Gabe Newell is the only CEO I know of who will actually talk with regular old people, which is cool. Gabe Newell is cool.
Eh, I really don't like Steam either. The amount of problems I've had with it and the way that leaving Steam means leaving £150 on it I hate. Then again, Steam has done it best over GFWL and Origin, but I'd prefer for it to simply not exist, even with the Sales. Then again, Notch makes very, very dumb comments a lot of the time. But he shouldn't feel pressured into putting something on Steam. Good for him for staying off it. Wow. First time I've praised Notch since the release of Minecraft Beta.
I have thousands of pounds worth of games at the touch of a button with Steam. Living away from Home at University, it'd be a nightmare to try and keep track of all the game boxes, serial numbers and whatever, as physical copies. All my old game boxes are in the loft back home, over 250 miles away , and if I could put them all on Steam, I totally would (especially ones I'd like to play, like Black & White II). The sales are fucking amazing as well.
[QUOTE=legolover122;36943975]This is from the guy that wants to charge monthly fees on his space game because "all F2P games are pay to win" So we can take pretty much everything he says with a grain of salt.[/QUOTE] This is also the guy who charged $13 for the alpha version of his game, then decided to charge $20 for a "beta" version of his game (which is still alpha in all technical senses since he was still adding shit), THEN decided to charge ~$30 for a "fully released" version of the game when it was nowhere near done? Man, if that's not a greedy asshole then I shudder to think of the bullshit Valve would pull were Minecraft on Steam! [QUOTE=UncleJimmema;36944157]I agree. I'm just contending that while it seems like a monopoly due to it's predominance, it still has enough competition from other companies. It's like Apple in the early days of the ipod and iphone (not saying valves anything like apple). When the ipod appeared they essentially had the top of the market, same when the iphone appeared. Over time however the other companies were able to catch up, and now android based phones hold a higher percentage of the market. I think the issue now is the other companies need to play catch up before we can see any real competition.[/QUOTE] Droid holds a greater part of the market now mostly due to costs being lower and them being a more open platform. Cheaper, more versatile products tend to win-out against shiny, high-dollar, somewhat-limited devices. Apple's marketing is the only real thing keeping them in the game now (that and their myriad of ridiculous lawsuits against anything else that DARE to have rounded corners!). [QUOTE=Mingebox;36944464]Then vacations happened. Judging by people's reactions, however, I think it's far more likely Notch molested a whole lot of kids ten or so years ago, and those memories finally started to surface.[/QUOTE] As I mentioned earlier, I didn't really have anything bad to say about Notch or Minecraft until he pulled that "beta stage" crap when the development was 100% identical to the alpha stage. Had I not already bought it back in alpha, I'd have flipped some shit when he did the "FULL RELEASE! *gimmethirtydollas*" fiasco. [QUOTE=Electrocuter;36945330]It seems the only reason he's giving on his response about why he doesn't put Minecraft on Steam is because he's afraid he might want to do something more with Minecraft that Steam might not allow which is reasonable. That "I fear for PC Gaming" part was completely pointless.[/QUOTE] Didn't Notch at one point say "I don't want to work for Valve. I want to BE Valve"? [QUOTE=legolover122;36949129]I was really close to throwing a party when they announced jeb was taking over the head of MC. I was sick and tired of waiting half a year for an update [b]that didn't add much at all.[/b][/QUOTE] Fixed that for ya. The latest updates from Team Jeb are taking a while, but I'm 100% fine with it because it's not like when Notch took 2-3 months to add cookies. FUCKING. COOKIES.
Fine, Notch, don't work with Steam, we'll see if you made the good choice in three of four years. [editline]27th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=The Baconator;36954957]their blog post on the TF2 blog years ago made MC so much more popular too[/QUOTE] Not to mention Valve did Minecraft promoting once again on the L4D2 Coldstream page, less than a week ago.
I would be very surprised if Notch was able to successfully emulate his success with Minecraft with any of his future games. He just doesn't seem like a good developer.
I like before and none of you can disagree with me on this that basically everyone on the forum adored Notch and worshipped him and now most of you don't quite like him. This forum is a strange one chap.
[QUOTE=EzioAuditore;36960492]I like before and none of you can disagree with me on this that basically everyone on the forum adored Notch and worshipped him and now most of you don't quite like him. This forum is a strange one chap.[/QUOTE] No its not strange. If someone is cool when we first meet them (notch was cool when he first made minecraft) we will say "hey that dudes cool" and if people called him lazy for no reason we would disagree because back when he first got on the scene he actually worked on his game. Then he got lazy and retarded. So now we dislike him. Its not strange. Its perfectly normal. He has earned our hate. No-one really likes him anymore except his blind fanbase over on the minecraft forums. I will compare to gabe newell. We like gabe because he represents valve and is a bro. If he decided to do something to steam like make you pay monthly fees to access games bought before we would all hate him faster than you could say "strange."
[QUOTE]social media and friends to market their games[/QUOTE] Isn't this what Valve does anyway? I haven't actually seen an advertisement for any of their stuff before the release of Portal 2.
This would be a valid thing to say if Valve wasn't a great company for developers to work with and for customers to buy from.
I don't really mind it not being on Steam, it's nice to have a game I can play while downloading Steam games. Plus it's windowed so I don't have to worry about not having the buggy overlay.
[QUOTE=Sie-Sveinhund;36960909]Isn't this what Valve does anyway? I haven't actually seen an advertisement for any of their stuff before the release of Portal 2.[/QUOTE] they had a lot of Left 4 Dead commercials. And Orange Box ones.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;36943885]How about instead of complaining of a steam dominated market someone actually makes a service that can compete with steam?[/QUOTE] In a way you could say Mojang's approach does alright. I mean shit, a little under a million bucks every three days? And all they have for "distribution" is a launcher that checks username and password.
fuck off notch you fucking shitty fuck ucnt dasudas you know nothing ur a shitty game dev fuck off urghhhhhhhhhhhhhh- :suicide:
Notch IS THE GOD OF MINECRAFT!!!!!:eng101:
[QUOTE=DBCreeper;36967800]Notch IS THE GOD OF MINECRAFT!!!!!:eng101:[/QUOTE] Correction: Notch is the old god of Minecraft, now Jeb and the bukkit devs do all the work, they are the new gods.
Notch is the god of money.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;36943885]How about instead of complaining of a steam dominated market someone actually makes a service that can compete with steam?[/QUOTE] Don't you understand that the whole point of what notch says it that you don't need steam, nor a service that can compete with steam. This whole thread is really annoying to read, it seems like everybody left their brains at the door to join the notch lynch mob. I don't like him either but I actually read what he's saying first. Developer independence is something we should be happy about, now you guys seem to think it's a good thing we're all wired up to steam permanently.
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