• PS3 CPU Exploit found: "I'll Fight to the Last minute of my Life" "Sony Can go to hell"
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[QUOTE=CommanderPT;28495467]As long as this bullshit doesn't affect legitimate PS3 users and putting our consoles at risk. Those "freedom fighters" can do whatever the hell they want.[/QUOTE] I agree. The root core to this problem is that OtherOS was removed because it [b]was[/b] affecting legitimate PS3 users and putting their consoles at risk, it was a security risk to the online service. And then Geohotz released the root keys, and now that exploit is rolling around allowing users to unban themselves and ban others. I hope Sony wins against Geohotz.
[url=http://www.ps3-hacks.com/2011/03/07/where-is-the-ps3-cpu-exploit/]This[/url] is (apparently?) old news and most seem to say it probably won't lead to anything. According some hacker guy on Twitter, Math: "muhahahahaha this is just the cell reset line trick, you can use this to dump lv2 from 1.10 to 3.15 but that's it. "Oh! and it's been known for ages by about....err... everyone... "The fact is you can't glitch the cell to even access the isolated LS because it's PHYSICALLY disconnected from the bus. "As in the cell was especially designed for the purpose of preventing access to the isolated LS by anything but the isolated process. You can read details about this here: The Cell Broadband Engine processor security architecture"
[QUOTE=Omali;28495351] Translation: I don't have much of a future, so it's not like a blemish on my permanent record will do much damage.[/QUOTE] I don't think people with his knowledge and skill have problems with finding a job. He could also very well be self employed.
[QUOTE=Omali;28495685]I agree. The root core to this problem is that OtherOS was removed because it [b]was[/b] affecting legitimate PS3 users and putting their consoles at risk, it was a security risk to the online service. And then Geohotz released the root keys, and now that exploit is rolling around allowing users to unban themselves and ban others. [/QUOTE] No it wasn't, even though one guy released a document on how they MIGHT get full hardware access in Sony's official OtherOS feature. Making Sony tie their panties in a knot and remove OtherOS And since this pissed off plenty, people actually started to actively find any flaws in Sony's firmware and design of the PS3, to regain OtherOS. Cue lots of shitstorm and lawsuits [QUOTE=Omali;28495685] I hope Sony wins against Geohotz.[/QUOTE] Geohot Isn't the guy to blame, and he even hates Piracy and cheating. He's a big supporter of Open Source platforms though. In short: if Sony [B]DIDN'T[/B] remove OtherOS in the first place, this would've never happened.
Make it run PS2 games.
So let me get this straight... Sony creates and develops the Playstation 3. They put all their hard work and millions of dollars into its creation. All the sudden some fat kid comes along and hacks it so Sony tries to stop it. Everyone cries foul on Sony while they are defending their own fucking device against some people that think they have the 'civil liberty' to hack a console that they had no part in funding, developing, or creating. [editline]8th March 2011[/editline] [quote]i know by releasing this exploit ill probably be taken to court or sued but sony they can go to hell all i care for what there doing to us hackers ill fight until the last min i got of my life if i have to for the right of the people[/quote] And Sony has the right to never sell a single console again. [editline]8th March 2011[/editline] This ’Darkhacker' is a dumb little shit.
[QUOTE=M_B;28495257]a product is a product and consumer's rights are listed in the agreements you check off saying you read and agree to when you turn the product on for the first time. you know, an end user license agreement? that thing that pretty much all things electronics have, software and hardware?[/QUOTE] The EULA doesn't hold in any court at all [editline]9th March 2011[/editline] I mean you can only read it AFTER you purchase the product anyway
[QUOTE=Smoot;28497564] All the sudden some fat kid comes along and hacks it so Sony tries to stop it. Everyone cries foul on Sony while they are defending their own fucking device against some people that think they have the 'civil liberty' to hack a console that they had no part in funding, developing, or creating.[/QUOTE] Why should we not have the right to do whatever we want with an item that we [i]legally own?[/i]
[QUOTE=Smoot;28497564]So let me get this straight... Sony creates and develops the Playstation 3. They put all their hard work and millions of dollars into its creation. All the sudden some fat kid comes along and hacks it so Sony tries to stop it. Everyone cries foul on Sony while they are defending their own fucking device against some people that think they have the 'civil liberty' to hack a console that they had no part in funding, developing, or creating. [editline]8th March 2011[/editline] And Sony has the right to never sell a single console again. [editline]8th March 2011[/editline] This ’Darkhacker' is a dumb little shit.[/QUOTE] Sony creates the PS3 and advertises it with awesome features like being able to install linux, homebrew devs/users/general linux users rejoice. Suddenly the advertised feature is taken away, now they want their shit back.
[QUOTE=Derkaderk;28493765]fight for the right of the people? m8 u cracked a game console calm down[/QUOTE] Don't you know? He's the Claus von Stauffenberg of hackers.:v: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzqvSViaAyk&feature=related[/media]
[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;28497702]Sony creates the PS3 and advertises it with awesome features like being able to install linux, homebrew devs/users/general linux users rejoice. Suddenly the advertised feature is taken away, now they want their shit back.[/QUOTE] And when Sony gives a valid reason not to put it back, the PS3 hacking community throws a collective tantrum like they're a bunch of 5 year olds who can't get their mommy to buy them an icecream and forces their way in. Honestly, fuck those guys.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;28497681]Why should we not have the right to do whatever we want with an item that we [i]legally own?[/i][/QUOTE] You don't own the software within the console. You're essentially only purchasing the right to use it.
[QUOTE=Bad)-(and;28498166]You don't own the software within the console. You're essentially only purchasing the right to use it.[/QUOTE] What Sony claims isn't law.
[quote] muhahahahaha this is just the cell reset line trick, you can use this to dump lv2 from 1.10 to 3.15 but that's it. Oh! and it's been known for ages by about....err... everyone... The fact is you can't glitch the cell to even access the isolated LS because it's PHYSICALLY disconnected from the bus. As in the cell was especially designed for the purpose of preventing access to the isolated LS by anything but the isolated process. You can read details about this here: The Cell Broadband Engine processor security architecture Anyway I'll stop talking of ps3 stuff for now, I am still pissed. That so called "cpu exploit" allows no more than dumping lv2 from 1.10 to 3.15. That's it. It's just pointless. The trick only worked because the otheros setting was written upon selection rather than upon shutdown. Then you could coldboot to a small piece of code installed in the linux partition which would dump the lv2 ram space for you. No, the isolated LS gets physically disconnected from the bus when isolation kicks in. That's the way it's designed Only the isolated process itself can access the isolated Local Store. Isolation itself is designed in a very secure way, I have never seen IBM engineers messing around when it comes to security. The line itself is cut, so to speak. As in the bus can have no physical interaction whatsoever with the isolated Local Store. In fact, should you have access to the nexus/jtag port on the cell, you still couldn't access the isolated Local Store. This means that to effectively dump the isolated LS content, you need to exploit the isolated process itself. Yes there is obviously a logic gate being involved in the process. Sadly most details from IBM about isolation are under NDA, so we don't know what's going on for sure "underneath" The only way to access the isolated LS again by software is to destroy the SPU and Create it again but this would delete the data. of course I do not mean to physically destroy the spu xD. Mainly what happens is that so long as a SPU runs isolated, only the software on that SPU can access the isolated LS, nothing else Then how about the code that actually kickstarts the isolation ? Then what does decrypt the bootloader and metldr ? There has to be some rom doing the decryption and holding key Of course the spu isolation itself would be done by hardware, but only "trusted" software can run isolated Those are the public docs you know ? :P A lot of the cell docs are NDAed, You cannot expect the spu to just jump at encrypted instructions can you ?[/quote] [url]http://psx-scene.com/forums/f6/ps3-cpu-exploit-released-darkhacker-82762/[/url]
[QUOTE=Smoot;28497564]So let me get this straight... Sony creates and develops the Playstation 3. They put all their hard work and millions of dollars into its creation. All the sudden some fat kid comes along and hacks it so Sony tries to stop it. Everyone cries foul on Sony while they are defending their own fucking device against some people that think they have the 'civil liberty' to hack a console that they had no part in funding, developing, or creating. [editline]8th March 2011[/editline] And Sony has the right to never sell a single console again. [editline]8th March 2011[/editline] This ’Darkhacker' is a dumb little shit.[/QUOTE] Hey Mr Stringer, get the fuck out of here. I'm going to set this straight... Sony creates and develops the Playstation3 with joint-researched technology like BluRay and Cell. Sony engineers put their hard work and dedication into this creation. All the sudden, some skinny, intelligent nerd. Respectively named geohot, comes along and hacks it. Sony so bent that their product was "uncrackable", flips a nut when they find out their own security was their demise. So they go on a crusade. They blocked "infringing" users from their online marketplace. Then they start to push bad publicity because they can't handle the situation like a mature adult. Everyone crows afoul when the DMCA allows you to hack your computer. Sony and other large corporations strongly dislike this. Its a real shame...
We need to go deeper.
[QUOTE=Bad)-(and;28498166]You're essentially only purchasing the right to use it.[/QUOTE] People still think this? :v:
I'm sure that if you still wanted to use the OtherOS feature that they gave you the option to not update your PS3. You just wern't able to sign into the PSN. The update even warned you about it before you installed it. It was a pointless feature to 99% of PS3 owners and was implemented so that people who could where able to shit around with programming for cell. None of the new PS3's came with it enabled and this brought the older consoles inline with them.
You know, I think I've figured out a link between this guy and geohot. Both seem to have massive self-esteem issues and delusions of grandeur.
He sounds like such an uptight cunt.
I still don't understand why Sony removed the function to play PS2 games on the PS3.
[QUOTE=Coffee;28499690]I still don't understand why Sony removed the function to play PS2 games on the PS3.[/QUOTE] Because anyone who used it probably still owned a PS2. Therefore, they could remove it, cutting costs.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;28499741]Because anyone who used it probably still owned a PS2. Therefore, they could remove it, cutting costs.[/QUOTE] If they still have an operating PS2. I had a fatboy that ignited. Then i got the skinny, and went through 2-3 of those within warranty period.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;28499741]Because anyone who used it probably still owned a PS2. Therefore, they could remove it, cutting costs.[/QUOTE] Wasn't it just firmware based anyway? I don't see how that cost anything.
[QUOTE=Coffee;28499765]Wasn't it just firmware based anyway? I don't see how that cost anything.[/QUOTE] First models had full Hardware emulation, second ones had a bit of software, then no more.
[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;28499794]First models had full Hardware emulation, second ones had a bit of software, then no more.[/QUOTE] How does the software cost anything to keep including it in the console?
[QUOTE=Coffee;28499816]How does the software cost anything to keep including it in the console?[/QUOTE] I guess you had to have a little larger workforce to keep supporting it?
[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;28499853]I guess you had to have a little larger workforce to keep supporting it?[/QUOTE] It always ends up with economical reasons. I hope Sony makes their next console more open and keeps it open, otherwise they're just going to end up with this stuff happening again. [editline]9th March 2011[/editline] I also hope the PS4 can play PS2 games.
[QUOTE=Coffee;28499885]It always ends up with economical reasons. I hope Sony makes their next console more open and keeps it open, otherwise they're just going to end up with this stuff happening again. [editline]9th March 2011[/editline] I also hope the PS4 can play PS2 games.[/QUOTE] It would be nice to have backwards compatibility to PS2, but my ps2 is still fully functional and I'm not that bothered
[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;28499929]It would be nice to have backwards compatibility to PS2, but my ps2 is still fully functional and I'm not that bothered[/QUOTE] My Ps2 exploded. :smith:
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