• PS3 CPU Exploit found: "I'll Fight to the Last minute of my Life" "Sony Can go to hell"
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what a rebel :allears:
[QUOTE=Coffee;28499972]My Ps2 exploded. :smith:[/QUOTE] 10 year old silver fattie still going strong :smug:
[QUOTE=Sanius;28493712]At this rate, Sony should just get it over with and brick all PS3s.[/QUOTE] Theres probably a big red button at sony headquarters that already does that.
[QUOTE=leelad;28499446]I'm sure that if you still wanted to use the OtherOS feature that they gave you the option to not update your PS3. You just wern't able to sign into the PSN.[/QUOTE] Either way you are being denied an advertised feature and that's [i]illegal[/i].
[QUOTE=Zeke129;28500681]Either way you are being denied an advertised feature and that's [i]illegal[/i].[/QUOTE] They don't advertise OtherOS anymore last time I checked.
Ok Sony, second chance, Hire [i]this[/i] guy as head of Software Security.
[QUOTE=Chickens!;28500719]Ok Sony, second chance, Hire [i]this[/i] guy as head of Software Security.[/QUOTE] Yeah, somebody who says Sony can go to hell sure as shit will accept a job offer from them!
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;28500822]Yeah, somebody who says Sony can go to hell sure as shit will accept a job offer from them![/QUOTE] They can use him to make the console uncrackable, people who make viruses generally make Anti-viruses. They aren't a group of 5 year olds who get butthurt just because some random guy tells them to "go to hell".
Obviously Sony has never heard the phrase [I]"If you can't beat them, join them"[/I]...
[QUOTE=M_B;28493818] "OtherOS" was so hilariously restricted that it defeated its own purpose. [editline]8th March 2011[/editline] it was basically like converting a Ferrari to a Datsun really [/QUOTE] I resent that mark. Jokingly wise. [quote]i know by releasing this exploit ill probably be taken to court or sued but sony they can go to hell all i care for what there doing to us hackers ill fight until the last min i got of my life if i have to for the right of the people[/quote]"Right of the People". That is a crock of BS. I may not be a hacker but I know for damn sure it is idiots like "darkhacker" who give real hackers a bad name. If this guy thinks he is fighting for "justice" then he is dead wrong. It annoys me that people go all hipster/bandwagon against Sony.
If sony gave all PS3's PS2 compatibility (its easily possible through firmware) and gave back other OS then this would all go away
During the last 60 seconds he'll sell everyone out. Cool.
"Darkhacker"? Really?
this guy sounds like a total douchebag by the way he types and what he said.
[QUOTE=Zezibesh;28497658]The EULA doesn't hold in any court at all [editline]9th March 2011[/editline] I mean you can only read it AFTER you purchase the product anyway[/QUOTE] if they don't hold up, i wonder, how is geohot getting sued? successfully, might i add [editline]8th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;28500681]Either way you are being denied an advertised feature and that's [i]illegal[/i].[/QUOTE] not everywhere. and i'm not really sure they ever advertised it, was it ever even mentioned at E3/GDC/TGS? [editline]8th March 2011[/editline] hell it's not even like "other os" was actually useful in the first place, geohot's hack, this hack, and the hack preceding geohot's hack didn't even use "other os" iirc so why bitch about [I]that[/I]
I was actually talking with my dad tonight on the way home from class about a guy in the military figuring out you can get the same power from networked PS3's as you could a supercomputer for a quarter of the price.
[QUOTE=biodude94566;28504418]I was actually talking with my dad tonight on the way home from class about a guy in the military figuring out you can get the same power from networked PS3's as you could a supercomputer for a quarter of the price.[/QUOTE] Didn't the navy do this, or am I not remembering right.
Seems like everything is taking a shit on Sony and their PS3. I haven't read much about this but I keep seeing something like this pop up.
[QUOTE=M_B;28503876]not everywhere. and i'm not really sure they ever advertised it, was it ever even mentioned at E3/GDC/TGS?[/QUOTE] It was mentioned at E3 and is also written in the manual that came with my system
[QUOTE=Coffee;28499765]Wasn't it just firmware based anyway? I don't see how that cost anything.[/QUOTE] Nope. The original PS3 models had the Emotion Engine PS2 CPU and the PS2's GPU in the hardware itself, so it basically had a PS2 inside of it. It did run the games through different software, but it used the PS2's own hardware to actually make them functional. Even then, however, Sony had to tweak the emulator for each game and eventually gave up in trying to make everything compatible; only about 80% of the total PS2 library is actually playable on an older PS3. Then later models took out the most important component, the Emotion Engine CPU, to cut production costs (because at the time Sony was losing money on PS3 production). With the GPU still intact, they left the emulator in, but then the compatible library fell to around 40% and Sony decided it was costing too much to keep updating it to play more games, so they just declared the whole backwards-compatibility thing kaput and removed the GPU and emulator entirely. Now that they're actually [i]making[/i] money on the production of PS3s, a new model with backwards compatibility re-added sure would be nice, especially since, in my opinion, PS2 games look a lot nicer in the PS3's upscaled resolution. The original PS2's progressive scan support was total shit and most games looked terrible over component cables...the PS2 was definitely not made with HD advancements in mind, which is why I don't want to use mine anymore since I'm slowly replacing my old, worn-out SDTVs with sleek HDTVs. But instead of offering this great feature in later models, they decided to just keep producing PS2s themselves a little while longer since they actually kept selling to late adopters...which to me is highly ironic because they were paying for the continued production of the very hardware they left out of the PS3 due to production costs. Exactly why couldn't they have just put them back in the PS3s...? I wouldn't mind paying a little more for a slim PS3 with backwards compatibility. But instead, when I decided to finally adopt a PS3, I had to go seek out an expensive old used 60GB model just so I could have all the originally promised features (except OtherOS, of course...). [QUOTE=leelad;28499446]I'm sure that if you still wanted to use the OtherOS feature that they gave you the option to not update your PS3. You just wern't able to sign into the PSN. The update even warned you about it before you installed it. It was a pointless feature to 99% of PS3 owners and was implemented so that people who could where able to shit around with programming for cell. None of the new PS3's came with it enabled and this brought the older consoles inline with them.[/QUOTE] That is a total crock-of-shit reason to delete a promised feature from every single PS3 connected to the internet. As has been said time and time again, nobody ever actually exploited OtherOS, someone simply said it might be a possibility. On those grounds alone, Sony removed the feature from every PS3. Absolutely absurd. I can understand them removing the feature from later models (since hey, they seem to remove more and more with every model anyway!), but removing it from every PS3 console ever? And the other option, which was to stop using PSN, was also bullshit. You do realize that by not using PSN you are barred from playing a majority of future retail game titles, right? Most newer games require that you update the console to the most current version (mostly to ensure you aren't going to use an old exploit to copy the game). Since OtherOS was considered an 'exploit', the choice was between continuing to use Linux, a feature that CAME WITH THE CONSOLE WHEN YOU BOUGHT IT, or being forced to NEVER BUY GAMES FOR THE CONSOLE AGAIN and NEVER PLAY ONLINE AGAIN. It wasn't a choice at all, it was pretty much forced on you if you ever wanted to continue actually using your own PS3 for any of its other features for the foreseeable future. When you think about it that way, it's not hard to see why the supposed "1%" of people who [i]did[/i] use OtherOS sought to finally crack the system so they could get it back. It's certainly a lot nicer when the machine you paid hundreds for actually does what it says on the tin, and they certainly don't print their bullshit EULA on the tin...
[QUOTE=biodude94566;28504418]I was actually talking with my dad tonight on the way home from class about a guy in the military figuring out you can get the same power from networked PS3's as you could a supercomputer for a quarter of the price.[/QUOTE] you can do the same with modern high-end graphics cards and cpus. in fact you can do better. folding@home is testament to this. [editline]8th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;28504459]It was mentioned at E3 and is also written in the manual that came with my system[/QUOTE]how is written in the manual the same as advertised? -edit- i'm having a difficult time finding anything with E3 and 3rd-party OS's [I]before[/I] removal [editline]9th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Shugo;28504488]Nope. The original PS3 models had the Emotion Engine PS2 CPU and the PS2's GPU in the hardware itself, so it basically had a PS2 inside of it. It did run the games through different software, but it used the PS2's own hardware to actually make them functional. Even then, however, Sony had to tweak the emulator for each game and eventually gave up in trying to make everything compatible; only about 80% of the total PS2 library is actually playable on an older PS3. Then later models took out the most important component, the Emotion Engine CPU, to cut production costs (because at the time Sony was losing money on PS3 production). With the GPU still intact, they left the emulator in, but then the compatible library fell to around 40% and Sony decided it was costing too much to keep updating it to play more games, so they just declared the whole backwards-compatibility thing kaput and removed the GPU and emulator entirely. Now that they're actually [i]making[/i] money on the production of PS3s, a new model with backwards compatibility re-added sure would be nice, especially since, in my opinion, PS2 games look a lot nicer in the PS3's upscaled resolution. The original PS2's progressive scan support was total shit and most games looked terrible over component cables...the PS2 was definitely not made with HD advancements in mind, which is why I don't want to use mine anymore since I'm slowly replacing my old, worn-out SDTVs with sleek HDTVs. But instead of offering this great feature in later models, they decided to just keep producing PS2s themselves a little while longer since they actually kept selling to late adopters...which to me is highly ironic because they were paying for the continued production of the very hardware they left out of the PS3 due to production costs. Exactly why couldn't they have just put them back in the PS3s...? I wouldn't mind paying a little more for a slim PS3 with backwards compatibility. But instead, when I decided to finally adopt a PS3, I had to go seek out an expensive old used 60GB model just so I could have all the originally promised features (except OtherOS, of course...).[/QUOTE] actually the reason Sony dropped backward compatibility is far more shallow than you seem to think. the reason they dropped backward compatibility is because the PS2, software, and even accessories [I]still[/I] make enough money to keep it on the shelves. the PS2 is the highest grossing console in the history of consoles. it has nothing to do with "AWW THIS IS SO HARD TO DO :saddowns:" they have enough people to handle that extremely comfortably. it has to do with money and money only. evidence of this has shown in the number of FCC related leaks of their own PS2 emulation patents, long after PS2 compatibility was dropped from the PS3 SKUs. although you could argue that ceasing keeping emulation up made it easier to not have to worry about optimization, which is most likely factor, but I can assure you that 99.9% of why they dropped backward compatibility is because the PS2 still sells. more plausible evidence? newer SKUs can still play PS1 games off of the disk. what's no longer on the shelves? the PS1. [QUOTE=Shugo;28504488]That is a total crock-of-shit reason to delete a promised feature from every single PS3 connected to the internet. As has been said time and time again, nobody ever actually exploited OtherOS, someone simply said it might be a possibility. On those grounds alone, Sony removed the feature from every PS3. Absolutely absurd. I can understand them removing the feature from later models (since hey, they seem to remove more and more with every model anyway!), but removing it from every PS3 console ever? And the other option, which was to stop using PSN, was also bullshit. You do realize that by not using PSN you are barred from playing a majority of future retail game titles, right? Most newer games require that you update the console to the most current version (mostly to ensure you aren't going to use an old exploit to copy the game). Since OtherOS was considered an 'exploit', the choice was between continuing to use Linux, a feature that CAME WITH THE CONSOLE WHEN YOU BOUGHT IT, or being forced to NEVER BUY GAMES FOR THE CONSOLE AGAIN and NEVER PLAY ONLINE AGAIN. It wasn't a choice at all, it was pretty much forced on you if you ever wanted to continue actually using your own PS3 for any of its other features for the foreseeable future. When you think about it that way, it's not hard to see why the supposed "1%" of people who [i]did[/i] use OtherOS sought to finally crack the system so they could get it back. It's certainly a lot nicer when the machine you paid hundreds for actually does what it says on the tin, and they certainly don't print their bullshit EULA on the tin...[/QUOTE] again, no where on the "tin" (box?) or even in a commercial do they actually say nor advertise "yo you can run linux" again this is just pointless whining to find [I]something[/I] to bitch about. the ability to run linux was just neat, nothing else, it was hardly useful. you got part (half? i forgot) of the CELL and its own memory, none of the GPU and its memory. it was also slow as shit. you're all acting like the third-party OS option was like this god given ability that everybody loved and bought the system for, the butter to their bread. it bordered on pointlessness for about 99% of their intended consumers, like those flashlight key chains that ever so barely light up the two feet in front of them. those that actually did use the other os feature seldom actually had their PS3s connected to PSN, anyhow, as it was traditionally [I]always[/I] in the other OS feature, and in fact i'm positive they're [I]still[/I] in the other OS feature. so perhaps 10% of that 1% actually used their PS3s for things other than crunching numbers, so that makes about .1% of PS3 owners that actually have any legitimate reason to feel fucked over in result of the removal of the option, because the remaining .9% never really do anything else. also, you do not need to connect to PSN to update, nor do you need a PSN account. it's more the other way around, you need to be updated to connect to PSN. you can update the PS3 without having an account. you can also do so without being connected to the internet, as with the PSP, major titles tend to have the software on the disc. in such cases, the point remains, the .9% who solely use it for the "other OS" feature solely use it for the "other OS" feature.
[QUOTE=M_B;28504897]actually the reason Sony dropped backward compatibility is far more shallow than you seem to think. the reason they dropped backward compatibility is because the PS2, software, and even accessories [I]still[/I] make enough money to keep it on the shelves. the PS2 is the highest grossing console in the history of consoles. it has nothing to do with "AWW THIS IS SO HARD TO DO :saddowns:" they have enough people to handle that extremely comfortably. it has to do with money and money only. evidence of this has shown in the number of FCC related leaks of their own PS2 emulation patents, long after PS2 compatibility was dropped from the PS3 SKUs. although you could argue that ceasing keeping emulation up made it easier to not have to worry about optimization, which is most likely factor, but I can assure you that 99.9% of why they dropped backward compatibility is because the PS2 still sells. more plausible evidence? newer SKUs can still play PS1 games off of the disk. what's no longer on the shelves? the PS1.[/quote] Probably. It makes me kind of mad, especially since, unlike OtherOS, they [i]did[/i] tout "full backwards compatibility" as a major competitive feature at many an E3. :argh: Oh well. I won't be [i]seething[/i] until they do something spectacularly stupid like remove it via a firmware update. I paid good money for my classic 60GB specifically so I could use my PS2 games on it. Also, PS1 games are actually being resold digitally in the PlayStation Store, so I dunno about PS1 compatibility. They probably just left it in because it needs no extra hardware to emulate. (Hell, even the PSP can do it near-perfectly). [QUOTE=M_B;28504897]again, no where on the "tin" (box?) or even in a commercial do they actually say nor advertise "yo you can run linux" again this is just pointless whining to find [I]something[/I] to bitch about. the ability to run linux was just neat, nothing else, it was hardly useful. you got part (half? i forgot) of the CELL and its own memory, none of the GPU and its memory. it was also slow as shit. you're all acting like the third-party OS option was like this god given ability that everybody loved and bought the system for, the butter to their bread. it bordered on pointlessness for about 99% of their intended consumers, like those flashlight key chains that ever so barely light up the two feet in front of them. those that actually did use the other os feature seldom actually had their PS3s connected to PSN, anyhow, as it was traditionally [I]always[/I] in the other OS feature, and in fact i'm positive they're [I]still[/I] in the other OS feature. so perhaps 10% of that 1% actually used their PS3s for things other than crunching numbers, so that makes about .1% of PS3 owners that actually have any legitimate reason to feel fucked over in result of the removal of the option, because the remaining .9% never really do anything else. also, you do not need to connect to PSN to update, nor do you need a PSN account. it's more the other way around, you need to be updated to connect to PSN. you can update the PS3 without having an account. you can also do so without being connected to the internet, as with the PSP, major titles tend to have the software on the disc. in such cases, the point remains, the .9% who solely use it for the "other OS" feature solely use it for the "other OS" feature.[/QUOTE] Alright, I'll give you this one. I still think it was pretty dickish on Sony's part to retroactively remove a feature no matter how many people used it, but I fall into the 99% of users who have never used OtherOS (though namely because I never had a chance to - my used PS3 came pre-updated) so I can't speak for how useful or cool it was. I guess my view has always been "I can see how some people would've liked that feature, so I sympathize with their loss of it".
[QUOTE=M_B;28503876]if they don't hold up, i wonder, how is geohot getting sued? successfully, might i add [/QUOTE] I think EULA hold up in america, which is where he is, but in a lot of other places such as most of the EU it doesn't, so it varies.
Sony will never let this go, their console is fucked up as fucking fuck. Hell people just move games over to their ps3 with ftp or a external drive and then pick the damn game from a list and play it. Sony are truly fucked and now they are going after EVERYONE.
[QUOTE=Dantai;28504451]Didn't the navy do this, or am I not remembering right.[/QUOTE] Was a scientist actually. Linking a bunch of PS3s together was cheaper than his supercomputer.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;28506707]Was a scientist actually. Linking a bunch of PS3s together was cheaper than his supercomputer.[/QUOTE] The US AirForce also used a couple of hundred PS3's in a cluster to crunch numbers for cheap [url]http://www.tomsguide.com/us/ps3-air-force-usaf-playstation,news-5297.html[/url] [url]http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/05/how-removing-ps3-linux-hurts-the-air-force.ars[/url]
They should just drop this and work on the PS4. PS3 isn't that great of a system in my opinion.
[QUOTE=Sodisna;28507282]They should just drop this and work on the PS4. PS3 isn't that great of a system in my opinion.[/QUOTE] but they just said the PS3 is only halfway through its lifetime
I suppose it is, but all this fighting and scare tactics their doing will yield no results.
yeah so why not spend a lot of money working on something new when you're just starting to earn money back on the last project? because that would be stupid and kill the PlayStation franchise with debt.
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