New Fire Emblem to lock story paths and sell them as DLC - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Jund;47447550]you are right. they literally just dragged and dropped the gameboy maps into the gen 2 maps folder. oh wait nevermind, that's the dumbest thing i've ever heard[/quote] Do you think they made a completely new map system for Gold and Silver? Gold and Silver use a modified version of the engine for Red and Blue. [QUOTE=Jund;47447550]except it's not extra content because they're making it way before release. no one would ever use this reasoning to defend cut content for most other games this is even worse with the download since you have gigabytes of game just sitting there, but you can't play it[/quote] It's extra as in "more content compared to Awakening". Again, though, the digital version is pretty iffy. [QUOTE=Jund;47447550]that would be a great analogy if i was complaining that i can't buy 2 copies of the same game for the price of one. which i'm not[/QUOTE] Or two different games for the price of one. [QUOTE=TomatoFlakes;47447583]Those were completely different games with interconnectivity features, not the same game with a branching story 1/3rd of the way through.[/QUOTE] That's the same case here. It's not like every single battle is going to be the same but with you on a different side. Two or three, yeah, but not most of them.

[QUOTE=The golden;47447210]Nintendo is one of the most hilariously anti-consumer games developers in the industry right now. And yet Ubisoft and EA and the like get all the negative attention. Fuck I can't wait for the day when the nostalgia glasses come off and we actually start recognizing Nintendo for the shitfest they are.[/QUOTE] They've always been like this though? Splitting a game four different times (1st Generation Pokemon games), the app stuff like the knitting thing, the Game Boy Printer, the list goes on. A lot of the content they push out should just be free or adds fuck all to the point of meaninglessness.

[QUOTE=Jund;47447398]i played my fair share of FE games and there was never a time where masterstroke unit placement stood out to me. FE unit placement has always been "don't royally buttfuck the player so that they can't win" and that was that. same goes for TES and FO the SE is 9250 yen. that's 77 USD (not even gonna start on how yen to USD absolutely fucking tanked in the last year and that the western SE will probably be cheaper, so jp customers are getting EVEN MORE buttfucked yet are still buying this shit right up). if you think anyone's going to get 9250 yen worth of content with an artbook and a card extra i don't know what else to say[/QUOTE] Shit in Japan in general is expensive, the standard edition of the Steins;Gate movie blu-ray is 6800¥. Fifty fucking six USD for a single movie on blu-ray.

off topic but will this play like shit on my old 3ds ( I did'nt get the new one. )

well the anime industry is a whole different level of fuck you

just a fyi none of this information was talked about in the US Direct while it was talked about in the JP direct so it probably won't happen here.

[QUOTE=Hamsterjuice;47447724]well the anime industry is a whole different level of fuck you[/QUOTE] $75 for two episodes of a show. They tried lowering the prices to increase sales. It didn't work. Kind of like what Jund said here: [QUOTE=Jund;47447607]small nation of rabidly devoted fanbases you think western fanboys are bad? there are people who'll cut off their left nut to get a premium figure of their waifu [url=http://zakitakubu.com/2015/03/27/nisekoi-marika-fan-buys-800-copies-of-jump-to-vote-in-latest-poll/]this dude literally spend $1700 to buy his waifu spot #1 in a popularity poll[/url][/QUOTE] A show only needs several thousand sales to make its money back. Which is good for them, because they only get several thousand sales anyway.

Apparently each side is supposed to offer an amount of content similar to Awakening so maybe it won't be so bad. Still leaves a bad taste in my mouth but only time will tell.

yeah if this possible misinformation blows up i think nintendo of america/europe/whoever will make a statement. losing potential customers when your game doesn't even have a title is pretty bad oor they'll confirm it for the west [editline]3rd April 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Last or First;47447760]$75 for two episodes of a show. They tried lowering the prices to increase sales. It didn't work. Kind of like what Jund said here: A show only needs several thousand sales to make its money back. Which is good for them, because they only get several thousand sales anyway.[/QUOTE] yeah i know. doesn't change the fact that it's garbage and the fact that some western companies do the same thing when selling it here to prevent reverse importing. which is even more garbage

Time for Nintendo shit on the brand new fanbase that Awakening gathered. And for people arguing Pokemon is the same thing, literally the only difference between versions, from Red and Blue to X and Y, is only one thing. One game has a small percentage of Pokemon taking the place of others. That's it. Only exception was generation 5 with a few areas and characters looking different but the point still stands. Most people buy one game with no real desire to buy the other because it's basically the exact same game. The new Fire Emblem, on the other hand, advertises different characters, a different story, and all this shit. That's a huge change, and to lock it all behind a paywall is really shady. Usually Nintendo is good with DLC but this is just a serious dick move considering it's all in the game.

[QUOTE=Fat White Lump;47447060]It's okay when Nintendo does it.[/QUOTE] When did people start saying this?

I was totally gonna buy this but now I am totally not gonna buy this if this story is true

This is very ballsy for a series that was one game away from being kicked to the curb forever.

I see nothing wrong with this. It's the same as Oracle of Ages and Oracle of Seasons, both full games based on the same systems but sold separately.

one thing that also piss me off is how new 3ds game's won't work with old 3ds.

Thanks for breaking my heart you money grubbing bastards, Nintendo.

[QUOTE=Fangz;47447114]So wait they are trying to pull a pokemon and make two versions of the game? I really hope this decision stays Japan only.[/QUOTE] People keep saying this but the two versions of Pokemon are only superficially different, the story is still the same the characters are the same just certain bits and the legendary are changed and maybe some coloring, but its not like an entire different game.

Man, Nintendo's marketing has no fucking idea what it's doing. First the YT fiasco, and now this? I used to consider myself a die-hard Nintendo fanboy, but nowadays, I'm not so sure.

It wouldn't be bad if the price of both paths total equaled $39 total but paying for one path is still $39. Why Nintendo.

I remember getting dumbed hardcore when I expected exactly this kind of shit to happen when they announced they would be doing DLC for games. "But Nintendo are saints and can do no wrong!"

I'm still extremely excited to play this game, fishy business model or not.

They literally just looked at some of the IOS games and thought it would be brilliant idea to still charge for shit in a video game after purchase. Which is the same as paying real money for weapons or fuck anything in a game. You pay for that shit with game money or points not actual fucking money, why don't some developers understand this? Instantly they shot themselves in the foot, some fans are going to be like "I support Nintendo all the way, FUCK YOU EA" which are actually called "fanboys/fangirls", which is also not so different from a stupidity illness called "NintendoBiasAssLicking". Oh so Nintendo are meant to be oh-so-bloody-great at everything are they? Fucking ridiculous. I thought it was already established that every video game company makes fuck ups? But nope, Fanboy-ing away and for some reason this causes many people in the gaming community to never agree with each other. Because we all have different opinions.

Well if the two versions have really big difference with equal amount of content as Awakening, then I think I'll be ok with that, since it's pretty much 2 games.

[QUOTE=Dah-thla;47448524]It wouldn't be bad if the price of both paths total equaled $39 total but paying for one path is still $39. Why Nintendo.[/QUOTE] Because each path is one game worth of content? At least if they're not lying about that. I don't understand all the fuss about it, it seems fair to me, you get two games worth of content for the price of less than one and a half. Sure, I'd rather buy a single, more expensive game instead but the end result is the same and having the game split in two is more profitable for them since a single game with a higher than average price would most likely put some people off. It's still a somewhat questionable decision but it won't affect me in the slightest so I'll definitely buy both paths as soon as the game comes out. Plus we don't even know if the game is going to be like that outside of Japan. If I remember correctly, Bravely Default was a similar case, it was split into DLCs in Japan but all the content was released in a single game in other countries.

this will stay in japan, why do you people care so much

[QUOTE=_Kilburn;47449017][b]Because each path is one game worth of content? At least if they're not lying about that. I don't understand all the fuss about it, it seems fair to me, you get two games worth of content for the price of less than one and a half.[/b] Sure, I'd rather buy a single, more expensive game instead but the end result is the same and having the game split in two is more profitable for them since a single game with a higher than average price would most likely put some people off. It's still a somewhat questionable decision but it won't affect me in the slightest so I'll definitely buy both paths as soon as the game comes out. Plus we don't even know if the game is going to be like that outside of Japan. If I remember correctly, Bravely Default was a similar case, it was split into DLCs in Japan but all the content was released in a single game in other countries.[/QUOTE] This is where a lot of the bullshit about DLC comes in. A games length is completely arbitrary and it's evidently common practice to cut out things that should have been in the original game to sell as DLC and make a quick buck. I think [url=http://i.imgur.com/VFfgGXB.png]Hideki Kamiya[/url] is right about where you draw the line, if it was originally budgeted in the game but sold as DLC to make more money then it's wrong. The fact that this choice is so central around to the game means it was obviously planned from the beginning and they cut up what was a fully planned game into smaller games + DLC. Whether you think it's a full game or not, it's dishonest and in my opinion, moneygrubbing.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;47449071]This is where a lot of the bullshit about DLC comes in. A games length is completely arbitrary and it's evidently common practice to cut out things that should have been in the original game to sell as DLC and make a quick buck. I think [url=http://i.imgur.com/VFfgGXB.png]Hideki Kamiya[/url] is right about where you draw the line, if it was originally budgeted in the game but sold as DLC to make more money then it's wrong. The fact that this choice is so central around to the game means it was obviously planned from the beginning and they cut up what was a fully planned game into smaller games + DLC. Whether you think it's a full game or not, it's dishonest and in my opinion, moneygrubbing.[/QUOTE] Hmm, that's an interesting point. We don't really know that much about this game yet but I don't think they're doing that for a quick buck. Most Fire Emblem games have a fixed number of chapters, usually between 20 and 30. If this one has the same number of chapters for both paths (excluding the first 6 chapters which are common to both), it's only fair that the game should be sold at a higher price. But if it was sold at a higher price, only diehard fans who already know about the series would buy it and it would be ultimately unprofitable for Nintendo. With the game split in two like this, nothing changes for long time fans of the series, and on top of it, people who never heard about it before can play through one branch of the game for the price of a "standard" 3DS game and then buy the rest if they liked it. It's actually better with the digital version since you get 6 chapters to familiarize yourself with the characters and setting before deciding which path you want to go for. The idea of having on-disk content that gets locked after you make your choice is a bit unpleasant for sure, but if you take into account the fact that both paths combined have almost twice as many chapters (and probably characters) as a standard Fire Emblem game, it's not so bad at all. Of course my point is completely invalidated if each path has less chapters, in which case it would be a total ripoff, sure. But otherwise, even if the execution could have been better, I can totally understand their reasoning behind it.

I'll be surprised if any of you actually own a 3DS.

[QUOTE=Jund;47447335]the special edition has all three routes in one cartridge. it's not a space problem[/QUOTE] From the way I read the article, it sounded like the normal edition also did, it just locked out the two others after you picked one.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;47446946]Thats a creative way of convincing me that I should actually buy neither version of the game. I think I'll get the best story for my money that way.[/QUOTE] If anything, this goes in favor of piracy argument.