LMAO the amount of post count and join date elitism in this thread
It's not about elitism or any of that bullshit. It's about people making gimmick accounts to try and start a shit storm.
[QUOTE=Hervey;45549686]It's not about elitism or any of that bullshit. It's about people making gimmick accounts to try and start a shit storm.[/QUOTE]
If you call that "trying to start a shit storm" then you have seen nothing.
[QUOTE=Hervey;45549686]It's not about elitism or any of that bullshit. It's about people making gimmick accounts to try and start a shit storm.[/QUOTE]
If they're gimmicks then rate dumb and move on???
You dont HAVE to reply to them and discrediting them by pointing out their join date and post count looks incredibly childish
[QUOTE=Alxnotorious;45548712]Does Bolivia have enough weight to make a statement though? Don't get me wrong, this is big news, but...[/QUOTE]
No. Who gives a shit what Bolivia think to be honest.
They support the Iranian regime.
They supported Russia's annexation of Crimea.
etc.
[QUOTE=TheBackDown;45549743]If they're gimmicks then rate dumb and move on???
You dont HAVE to reply to them and discrediting them by pointing out their join date and post count looks incredibly childish[/QUOTE]
You sure know a lot about FP culture for an account registered four days ago.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;45549963]You sure know a lot about FP culture for an account registered four days ago.[/QUOTE]
Well I've been here longer than you thats for sure
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I wouldn't go so far as to call Israel a terrorist state.
Viva Bolivia! :D Good on them.
[QUOTE]Viva Bolivia! :D Good on them.[/QUOTE]
The big guy over there supported the annexation of Crimea, the Iranian government, and Hugo Chavez. I take their governments opinion with a grain of salt.
[QUOTE=Marceline;45550255]The big guy over there supported the annexation of Crimea, the Iranian government, and Hugo Chavez. I take their governments opinion with a grain of salt.[/QUOTE]
Do you believe in referendum? Also I don't support Bolivia in its irrelevant concept, if you ask me they all belong under Spanish protectorate.
[QUOTE=GoldenDargon;45549611]That's because Israel's walled in the Palestinians and won't let them out.[/QUOTE]
And Egypt. Don't forget Egypt.
How come nobody is firing rockets at Egypt?
[QUOTE=ScumBunny;45551592]And Egypt. Don't forget Egypt.
How come nobody is firing rockets at Egypt?[/QUOTE]
For the same reason they didn't fire rockets at Jordan when they forcefully occupied/annexed the West Bank.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;45549819]No. Who gives a shit what Bolivia think to be honest.
They support the Iranian regime.
They supported Russia's annexation of Crimea.
etc.[/QUOTE]
Ironic. Making bald statements when they're as guilty as a nun squatting in a cucumber field
[editline]31st July 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Matthew0505;45549300]Target Hamas members and not indiscriminately shell hospitals and schools?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://conservativetribune.com/hamas-rockets-from-hospital/[/url]
[QUOTE=Saturn V;45549104]Don't think so, really. It's a relatively small country in South America.[/QUOTE]
"relatively small" :v:
Shit's huge, probably as big as Sweden+Norway+Finland combined
[QUOTE=sgman91;45551675]For the same reason they didn't fire rockets at Jordan when they forcefully occupied/annexed the West Bank.[/QUOTE]
No, ScumBunny, don't get dragged into this idiotic propaganda of people criticizing something they've never even experienced first-hand. It's like a homeless man would tell you how you should make money. Bullshit.
Israel did not, just like that, decide to create a blockade. In March 07, Hamas took over forcefully, afterwards both Israel and Egypt decided to seal their border crossings as there was actual no guarantees afterwards for a safe and peaceful existence. (See: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gaza_(2007)[/url])
A few years later, after the so called 'innocent' flotilla, again, bullshit propaganda to gain international support, we eased the blockade, from here, I guess you know how the story enrolls.
Israel is doing what is necessary to protect itself. Do you really think you could negotiate with an organization like that? Get a grip.
[QUOTE=Seith;45551883]No, ScumBunny, don't get dragged into this idiotic propaganda of people criticizing something they've never even experienced first-hand. It's like a homeless man would tell you how you should make money. Bullshit.
Israel did not, just like that, decide to create a blockade. In March 07, Hamas took over forcefully, afterwards both Israel and Egypt decided to seal their border crossings as there was actual no guarantees afterwards for a safe and peaceful existence. (See: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gaza_(2007)[/url])
A few years later, after the so called 'innocent' flotilla, again, bullshit propaganda to gain international support, we eased the blockade, from here, I guess you know how the story enrolls.
Israel is doing what is necessary to protect itself. Do you really think you could negotiate with an organization like that? Get a grip.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure I understand what you're responding to, but I'm a little low on coffee right now.
All I said was that both Israel and Egypt are currently blockading Gaza, but Hamas is only at war with Israel, which is a little strange.
Regardless, I do think that if slightly saner minds were in charge here Israel could have backed the Fatah-Hamas reunion and assist Fatah in getting back into Gaza, which would have improved things for everyone. Maybe. I don't know. Too many assholes on both sides.
You don't have to explain yourself or apologize. That's my point. It wasn't a direct post towards you.
[QUOTE=Hammer7;45549187]Do somebody really cares about Bolivia's opinion on Israel?
Is anyone asked mr. Morales about Syria?[/QUOTE]
Judging by your flagdog of course you wouldn't care about it. Having opinions like that is doing the complete opposite of helping your country.
[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;45549386]
You have to remember that the Gaza strip is still the most densely populated part of earth[/QUOTE]
Hate to be nitpicky but this isn't true, there's way denser regions of the world (eg Manila). It is still dense though, no thanks to Israel.
[QUOTE=Rezulf;45549200]I genuinely think that Israel wants nothing more than Peace, does that make me a JIDF?
Do you think people in Israel enjoy going to wars and having rockets shelled at them?
I'm pretty sure they don't.
Hamas on the other hand said that they want every Jew Slaughtered and Israel removed from existence.
I remember no Israeli saying the same thing about about Gaza or Palestine except a few insignificant right wing radical retards that no one gives a shit about.[/QUOTE]
So let me get this straight. Every civilian in Gaza is a member of the Hamas and should be considered fair game for the JIDF.
On the other hand, the nutcases in Israel celebrating unbridled manslaughter are just a couple of retards we shouldn't be allowed to mention.
Peace through ethnic cleansing is not peace.
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;45549333]Ask yourself "Why would Israel indiscriminately shell hospitals and schools? What would they gain and what would they lose from doing this?"[/QUOTE]
They don't value Palestinian lives. They shell civilian structures and refuge shelters to instill fear and terror in civilians, as a means to wipe out infrastructure and make Gaza an uninhabitable place, so once it's deserted they can claim it for lebensraum. They don't really run the risk of losing anything, because they have lobbies so far up the world's ass that no one will ever lift a finger beyond the occasional "tut tut" from the UN or a humanitarian agency. If push should somehow come to shove and Israel would be treathened by force for their actions, they would sooner bring about nuclear Armageddon than actually comply.
No one, not a single country in the world has gotten away with more shit than Israel.
I don't get this mess.
Israel has had middle eastern countries hating their guts for years. They've had several threats and attacks thrown at them. They're finally sick of it and fight back to defend themselves and suddenly everyone in the world thinks they're terrorists.
[QUOTE=V12US;45552182]So let me get this straight. Every civilian in Gaza is a member of the Hamas and should be considered fair game for the JIDF.
On the other hand, the nutcases in Israel celebrating unbridled manslaughter are just a couple of retards we shouldn't be allowed to mention.
Peace through ethnic cleansing is not peace.
They don't value Palestinian lives. They shell civilian structures and refuge shelters to instill fear and terror in civilians, as a means to wipe out infrastructure and make Gaza an uninhabitable place, so once it's deserted they can claim it for lebensraum. They don't really run the risk of losing anything, because they have lobbies so far up the world's ass that no one will ever lift a finger beyond the occasional "tut tut" from the UN or a humanitarian agency. If push should somehow come to shove and Israel would be treathened by force for their actions, they would sooner bring about nuclear Armageddon than actually comply.
No one, not a single country in the world has gotten away with more shit than Israel.[/QUOTE]
No other country in the world have been in the same situation as in Israel right now, nor there is any other country in the entire worlds that gets as much shit as Israel does and did.
Gaza was and always be an inhabitable place when Hamas is in charge, they've wasted their entire funding on war. Since we've withdrawn in 2009, there hasn't been one significant change to it's infrastructure. We have nothing of value in Gaza, and you'd get as angry as these 'radicals' if you were as well living under a reign of rockets for the past 9 years.
[QUOTE=V12US;45552182]
No one, not a single country in the world has gotten away with more shit than Israel.[/QUOTE]
You mean, except that one country [URL="http://costsofwar.org/article/civilians-killed-and-wounded"]that invaded Iraq and Afghanistan and held them for over a decade, and is still killing people all over Pakistan[/URL].
And that country that is [URL="http://freetibet.org/"]holding Tibet[/URL].
Oh hey and remember that country that pulverized [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War"]Chechnya[/URL] and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War"]invaded Georgia[/URL] and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Crimean_crisis"]Ukraine[/URL]?
And there's this one country right next to Israel where [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War"]the government has already killed tens of thousands of civilians[/URL].
Does any of that count as "more shit"?
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;45552283]I don't get this mess.
Israel has had middle eastern countries hating their guts for years. They've had several threats and attacks thrown at them. They're finally sick of it and fight back to defend themselves and suddenly everyone in the world thinks they're terrorists.[/QUOTE]
Just like the rich and the poor. The offender and the victim. The rich gets the most shit because, well, the poor are poor and so it doesn't make sense to blame them for the situation they're in, well, because, they're poor. That's life.
Makes sense? No. Is it true? No. Easier? Hell yeah.
[QUOTE]Israel has had middle eastern countries hating their guts for years. They've had several threats and attacks thrown at them. They're finally sick of it and fight back to defend themselves and suddenly everyone in the world thinks they're terrorists.[/QUOTE]
Everyone, except Qatar- where the head of Hamas lives the life of a millionaire, has voiced support for Israel. The United Arab Emirates has even offered to pay for the entire operation provided that Hamas is destroyed.
[QUOTE=Marceline;45552368]Everyone, except Qatar- where the head of Hamas lives the life of a millionaire, has voiced support for Israel. The United Arab Emirites has even offered to pay for the entire operation provided that Hamas is destroyed.[/QUOTE]
You got the article?
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;45552283]I don't get this mess.
Israel has had middle eastern countries hating their guts for years. They've had several threats and attacks thrown at them. They're finally sick of it and fight back to defend themselves and suddenly everyone in the world thinks they're terrorists.[/QUOTE]
It's due to their indiscriminate methods and not trying to avoid civilian casualties.
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;45552283]I don't get this mess.
Israel has had middle eastern countries hating their guts for years. They've had several threats and attacks thrown at them. They're finally sick of it and fight back to defend themselves and suddenly everyone in the world thinks they're terrorists.[/QUOTE]
Because they're scything down the civilian populace instead of actually achieving anything.
[QUOTE=V12US;45552182]So let me get this straight. Every civilian in Gaza is a member of the Hamas and should be considered fair game for the JIDF.
On the other hand, the nutcases in Israel celebrating unbridled manslaughter are just a couple of retards we shouldn't be allowed to mention.
Peace through ethnic cleansing is not peace.[/QUOTE]
How'd you get that from his post at all? Most Israelis don't want all Palestinians dead, they just want Hamas out because they're attacking Israel. Israel aren't purposely targeting civilians for the most part. You guys say that the packets being dropped don't help, but they're trying a lot more than most nations would. The United States [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki]purposely targeted[/url] civilians in World War II, but no one says they're terrorists trying to create an ethnic cleansing.
Hamas on the other hand are pretty much a terrorist group created [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomorrow%27s_Pioneers]some pretty fucked up propaganda[/url]. Why should Israelis not be afraid and react? Even though though Israel has pretty good defense against missiles there are still [url=http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/28/world/meast/israel-gaza-tunnels-wolf/]the tunnels[/url] and the terrifying thought that they could pop up in any Israeli land potentially harming both Israeli military personnel and civilians.
[QUOTE=matt000024;45554133] The United States [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki]purposely targeted[/url] civilians in World War II, but no one says they're terrorists trying to create an ethnic cleansing.
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According to that article, Hiroshima was selected because it was "an embarkation port and industrial center that was the site of a major military headquarters", not because of the amount of civilians.
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