WikiLeaks proposes tracking verified Twitter users' homes, families and finances - Polidicks

[QUOTE=hippowombat;51634218] Basically this. My finances, the private information of my family members, shit like that is not public information and publishing it does violate my rights.[/QUOTE] It's really not. You should really read up on what people can dig up legally. Your finances, credit, assets etc etc are not private info. How do you think debt collectors, lawyers, PIs etc etc track people down that owe em. How do you think retail stores or car dealers or the hundreds of "free credit report" sites can instantly check your credit.

[QUOTE=-nesto-;51634263]It's really not. You should really read up on what people can dig up legally. Your finances, credit, assets etc etc are not private info. How do you think debt collectors, lawyers, PIs etc etc track people down that owe em. How do you think retail stores or car dealers or the hundreds of "free credit report" sites can instantly check your credit.[/QUOTE] so would you be perfectly fine with me posting your publicly available financial info for whoever wanted it to have? because I'm not okay with that, and we have privacy laws in my country for a reason and it seems to be a very smart reason

[QUOTE=Riller;51634231]Who would have known Wikileaks, the organisation famous for selectively releasing documents to construct narratives, edit videos to demonise and release specifically timed and picked information to fuck with things they disagree with, would turn out to be evil? Such a shocker.[/QUOTE] It seems they're famous for this if you happen to like who had the last leak about them. Funny how the left turned on wikileaks as soon as the truth they released wasn't in their interests. Oh gee an organization about exposing corruption exposed the spotless and incorruptable hillary clinton golly what a turn of events. [QUOTE=Fourier;51634246]they can do it on average citizens though?[/QUOTE] The government and people in positions of power already do it to anyone and everyone they want to, currently invasions of privacy are not only legal but a common tool of those in power. If i as an individual go and dox someone for some dumb personal or ideological disagreement then i would be a huge dick. If an international transparency and leak organization puts out personal information of a bunch of extremely powerful people that leads to exposing corruption then good fucking work. I feel like most people don't really grasp how dead privacy is these days, if the government or anyone with enough money to buy info off the ad networks wants information about you they can get more information than you could ever even remember about yourself without even having to use a warrant. Just fucking talk to a private investigator and ask them how easy it's been the past 5 years. And we're supposed to give a shit about those who have created this situation's privacy? Hah, no, fuck them, publish it all.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51634269]so would you be perfectly fine with me posting your publicly available financial info for whoever wanted it to have?[/QUOTE] If by perfectly fine you mean its totally legal and theres nothing I can do about it then yea

[QUOTE=-nesto-;51634277]If by perfectly fine you mean its totally legal and theres nothing I can do about it then yea[/QUOTE] Woah woah woah hang on Whether or not it's legal and whether or not it violates your rights are two totally different things with two totally different levels of objectivity and subjectivity. I was under the impression you were talking about whether or not it violates your right to privacy to have your private information made public, which it does. Whether or not it's deemed legal by one entity or another is an entirely different story and your responses reflect that you acknowledge that in some capacity, but I feel like you quietly switched arguments, whether you realized it or not.

[QUOTE=-nesto-;51634277]If by perfectly fine you mean its totally legal and theres nothing I can do about it then yea[/QUOTE] and you don't feel like that's a violation of your privacy? Do you want that changed or is this alright with you?

[QUOTE=-nesto-;51634075]I dont support their choice but it sounds like publishing public info which isnt a privacy violation.[/QUOTE] Okay then please go ahead and submit for us your relationship information, current residence, place of work, names of all your family members and their addresses/places of work, etc. Because that's what they're planning on doing so if that's public info to you go ahead and post it up guy, prove me wrong. Unless you've got something to hide? Privacy concerns maybe? Hmm?

[QUOTE=Mattk50;51634274]It seems they're famous for this if you happen to like who had the last leak about them. Funny how the left turned on wikileaks as soon as the truth they released wasn't in their interests. Oh gee an organization about exposing corruption exposed the spotless and incorruptable hillary clinton golly what a turn of events.[/QUOTE] I have never liked Wikileaks, and am not really a fan of Hillary, but it's always been obvious that Wikileaks is ten times more corrupt and politically fuelled than anything they've ever 'exposed'.

[QUOTE=-nesto-;51634263]It's really not. You should really read up on what people can dig up legally. Your finances, credit, assets etc etc are not private info. How do you think debt collectors, lawyers, PIs etc etc track people down that owe em. How do you think retail stores or car dealers or the hundreds of "free credit report" sites can instantly check your credit.[/QUOTE] When you do a credit check you're giving the lender your permission to check your credit report and normally they agree to not give information to third parties. If you have a credit report, you can see who has made queries into it.

[QUOTE=hippowombat;51634291]Woah woah woah hang on Whether or not it's legal and whether or not it violates your rights are two totally different things with two totally different levels of objectivity and subjectivity. I was under the impression you were talking about whether or not it violates your right to privacy to have your private information made public, which it does. Whether or not it's deemed legal by one entity or another is an entirely different story and your responses reflect that you acknowledge that in some capacity, but I feel like you quietly switched arguments, whether you realized it or not.[/QUOTE] Public info, keyword, public info. Posting private info(your cell/phone records, tax returns etc) is violating your privacy and is infact illegal. We're talkin bout public info. According to them [video]https://twitter.com/WLTaskForce/status/817497571534872576[/video] That's what they want to do with verified twitter users. Why they wanna do that I dunno(and honestly is fucking retarded) but it's not illegal or violating privacy laws to post someones [B]public[/B] info [QUOTE=F.X Clampazzo;51634305]submit for us your relationship information, current residence, place of work, names of all your family members and their addresses/places of work, etc[/QUOTE] Like I have on Facebook? Weird, Zuckerberg must be invading my privacy!!!

It's not doxxing if the information is already available. If you're stupid enough to put your name, financial information, or home address out in the public, you can't complain when somebody highlights that information. I got banned from this forum before for "doxxing" but all I did was link to somebody's already available online profile. It's bullshit.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51634343]It's not doxxing if the information is already available. If you're stupid enough to put your name, financial information, or home address out in the public, you can't complain when somebody highlights that information. I got banned from this forum before for "doxxing" but all I did was link to somebody's already available online profile. It's bullshit.[/QUOTE] I'd say it is if you look up public information like that to collect and spread it around for the sole purpose of making it easier for other people to harass the person in question, which is rather obviously part of the point with this. How much do you really think a database would be used for legitimate purposes of openness, free press and shit, as opposed to SWATting, fake pizza calls and other dumb internet shit like that?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51634294]and you don't feel like that's a violation of your privacy? Do you want that changed or is this alright with you?[/QUOTE] If you want to dig up my public financial or legal information or whatever and post it online I have no problem with that. It isn't illegal and it shouldn't be. The only thing that's illegal is if you hack, steal, or break into my information. As long as you don't do that then go for it.

This is wrong. Releasing classified information is one thing--governments have no right to privacy--but leaking the information of [I]private citizens?[/I] What is there to gain by doing this?

[QUOTE=Riller;51634373]I'd say it is if you look up public information like that to collect and spread it around for the sole purpose of making it easier for other people to harass the person in question, which is rather obviously part of the point with this. How much do you really think a database would be used for legitimate purposes of openness, free press and shit, as opposed to SWATting, fake pizza calls and other dumb internet shit like that?[/QUOTE] It doesn't matter. If people take that information and THEN proceed to do something illegal with it like harassing or SWATing me, that is another matter. Those things are illegal, finding the information isn't.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51634390]It doesn't matter. If people take that information and THEN proceed to do something illegal with it like harassing or SWATing me, that is another matter. Those things are illegal, finding the information isn't.[/QUOTE] But having that information out there makes you venerable to having illegal things done to you.

[QUOTE=Mattk50;51634274]It seems they're famous for this if you happen to like who had the last leak about them. Funny how the left turned on wikileaks as soon as the truth they released wasn't in their interests. Oh gee an organization about exposing corruption exposed the spotless and incorruptable hillary clinton golly what a turn of events.[/QUOTE] You just keep making these sweeping generalizations where you just put words in peoples mouth without thinking maybe that they didn't like Wikileaks to begin with, or that they either supported or didn't give a shit about the DNC/Podesta leaks.

I'm waiting for Assange to say something about it because this seems way too retarded to be legit. If WikiLeaks and Assange are actually backing this project though, they can both fuck right off.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51634390]It doesn't matter. If people take that information and THEN proceed to do something illegal with it like harassing or SWATing me, that is another matter. Those things are illegal, finding the information isn't.[/QUOTE] So if I were to think you are an idiot over your posts here on Facepunch, and due to that get childishly mad and look you up on Facebook or find your phone number, kid's daycare centre or place of work online, then link that info back to Facepunch thread or another internet forum/community more likely to abuse such information, that would be totally okay for me to do?

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51634400]But having that information out there makes you venerable to having illegal things done to you.[/QUOTE] Do you realize how many laws we would have to change if that is the attitude you have? I don't get what you're saying anyway. Are you arguing that we should not have any personal financial/legal information publicly accessible? Or are you saying that highlighting that information (whatever that means) should be illegal?

[QUOTE=srobins;51634412]I'm waiting for Assange to say something about it because this seems way too retarded to be legit. If WikiLeaks and Assange are actually backing this project though, they can both fuck right off.[/QUOTE] Nah, Assange is probably too busy whining over the awful humans rights abuses and unlawful imprisonment imposed on him while voluntarily hiding out under a desk because of rape charges.

[QUOTE=Riller;51634418]So if I were to think you are an idiot over your posts here on Facepunch, and due to that get childishly mad and look you up on Facebook or find your phone number, kid's daycare centre or place of work online, then link that info back to Facepunch thread or another internet forum/community more likely to abuse such information, that would be totally okay for me to do?[/QUOTE] I think that would be an unethical thing to do, but I wouldn't want you arrested and I wouldn't want to change any laws or institute some "doxxing" law.

[QUOTE=Riller;51634423]Nah, Assange is probably too busy whining over the awful humans rights abuses and unlawful imprisonment imposed on him while voluntarily hiding out under a desk because of rape charges.[/QUOTE] Wow, what an embarrassingly stupid thing to say. Didn't I have to sit you down like a child and explain the blatantly fabricated and politically motivated rape case just a few months ago? Did you not take notes?

[QUOTE=-nesto-;51634340] Like I have on Facebook? Weird, Zuckerberg must be invading my privacy!!![/QUOTE] I say again then: Link it up guy, unless you've got something to hide? Hmm? If you don't see anything wrong with random people you don't know being able to see all that information so easily go ahead and link us your FB and provide your annual income, housing information, etc. All the things Wikileaks is saying they want to collect here. There's a line between "oh if you looked you might be able to find this person because of stuff they shared on a semi-public social media service and linking their IP address to other sites/social media usage" and "we're collecting a massive list of people's information because "reasons"."

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51634422]Do you realize how many laws we would have to change if that is the attitude you have? I don't get what you're saying anyway. Are you arguing that we should not have any personal financial/legal information publicly accessible? Or are you saying that highlighting that information (whatever that means) should be illegal?[/QUOTE] I'm saying that they're not going after just "publicly" available information. I don't think you have all your family relations, financial details and housing information up on the internet. If you're not concerned about being doxx'd, I'd like you to link your public information. I'd like you to show what you have on the internet, that's publicly available. Whatever information you have.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51634430]I think that would be an unethical thing to do, but I wouldn't want you arrested and I wouldn't want to change any laws or institute some "doxxing" law.[/QUOTE] Would you think it's wrong of me to do? [QUOTE=srobins;51634431]Wow, what an embarrassingly stupid thing to say. Didn't I have to sit you down like a child and explain the blatantly fabricated and politically motivated rape case just a few months ago? Did you not take notes?[/QUOTE] I'm not really questioning whether or not he did molest those women. Frankly, I don't really give a shit. I'm just tired of hearing him complain about abuse, imprisonment and all that bullshit when he willingly went to that embassy, and is still there of his own free will. "Oh but Riller, but the alternative is certain prison!" What if he really [I]did[/I] rape those women? Or what if he didn't, and he goes to court [I]in Sweden, one of the least corrupt places on earth[/I] and gets cleared of them? Or what if he doesn't get cleared, and gets unlawfully imprisoned [I]in Sweden, one of the softest legal systems on earth.[/I] For rape, he'll probably get two months and a kind "Kann du inta latte våre met at gjöre det igen, vennen min?". There's no other charges against him currently. Yes, unlawful imprisonment sucks. But with how he's bitching over voluntarily sleeping under a desk, you'd think he's in fuckin' Gitmo on steroids. I'm sure Swedish prisons beat that.

This already exists in Sweden, and it's not just "verified" Twitter users. It has every citizen in Sweden. When the database was setup in like 2007, you could get all public info, financial info etc for free and your search was anonymous. Nowadays you gotta pay a small fee to get things like financial info, and the person you look up will be notified about you looking them up. But phone number, address, other people living on the address, the car you drive, any businesses you run are all public and free to lookup without the person getting notified.

[QUOTE=Swebonny;51634469]This already exists in Sweden, and it's not just "verified" Twitter users. It has every citizen in Sweden. When the database was setup in like 2007, you could get all public info, financial info etc for free and your search was anonymous. Nowadays you gotta pay a small fee to get things like financial info, and the person you look up will be notified about you looking them up. But phone number, address, other people living on the address, the car you drive, any businesses you run are all public and free to lookup without the person getting notified.[/QUOTE] Has this caused any incidents? Was this setup with the public's knowledge? Who advocates/opposes it?

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51634449]I'm saying that they're not going after just "publicly" available information. I don't think you have all your family relations, financial details and housing information up on the internet. If you're not concerned about being doxx'd, I'd like you to link your public information. I'd like you to show what you have on the internet, that's publicly available. Whatever information you have.[/QUOTE] Dude you totally don't get it. First of all, a surprising amount of family relations, financial details, and housing information IS publicly available. Please look into this more. It's surprising how much stuff people put on facebook, or what you can dig up through publicly available government records if you have somebody's name. Secondly, I purposely hide my personal identity as best as I can so that information doesn't get out. I don't want people knowing my identity so I attempt to hide it. Other than my personal facebook, I try to use screen names and different email addresses for my various online activities when I want to stay anonymous. My point is that it is on YOU to stay anonymous. If you use the same email address on Facepunch that you use on your personal Facebook, it's your own fault if somebody puts 2 and 2 together. That isn't illegal, and it shouldn't be illegal. Is it unethical to do? Yeah, sure. But not illegal.

[QUOTE=Riller;51634456]I'm not really questioning whether or not he did molest those women. Frankly, I don't really give a shit. I'm just tired of hearing him complain about abuse, imprisonment and all that bullshit when he willingly went to that embassy, and is still there of his own free will. "Oh but Riller, but the alternative is certain prison!" What if he really [I]did[/I] rape those women? Or what if he didn't, and he goes to court [I]in Sweden, one of the least corrupt places on earth[/I] and gets cleared of them? Or what if he doesn't get cleared, and gets unlawfully imprisoned [I]in Sweden, one of the softest legal systems on earth.[/I] For rape, he'll probably get two months and a kind "Kann du inta latte våre met at gjöre det igen, vennen min?". There's no other charges against him currently. Yes, unlawful imprisonment sucks. But with how he's bitching over voluntarily sleeping under a desk, you'd think he's in fuckin' Gitmo on steroids. I'm sure Swedish prisons beat that.[/QUOTE] I don't really know how to even respond to something so purposefully ignorant, other than pointing out how god damned stupid it is to criticize one of the world's most notorious/influential living whistleblowers for having the audacity to complain about every major Western power on the planet spying on him and tormenting him, refusing him medical attention and defying the United Nations pleas to release him from his illegal detention. Just because you're incapable of understanding the situation he's in (which is mind-blowing because it's really not very complicated to begin with) doesn't change the fact that he hasn't abandoned his family and gone off to live in the same room with no proper exercise or exposure to fresh air or sunlight because it sounded like a nice fucking vacation. It's because the moment he leaves the embassy he'll be whisked away to "the world's least corrupt court" for a completely fabricated rape charge that exists only as an excuse to imprison him for his whistleblowing activities. Instead of handwaving away the details of the situation with "frankly, I don't really give a shit", how about you take a 30 minute break from talking nonsense and do a little fucking research.