Texas Judge refuses to throw out the case of the Leauge of Legends teen making "terroristic threats, - Polidicks

[quote]You guys say it's just a joke, but you have to treat this stuff with some form of seriousness, especially given the recent turn of events of the past year. Not on the level that the cops took it. But something.[/quote] This: the kid potentially recommended therapy/anger management in a private consultation with the judge and the kid's parents at most. Media shouldn't have gotten involved. The [i]state justice system[/i] definitely shouldn't have gotten involved. It should've stopped with the judge, the parents, and the kid. If I say I'm going to burn down a bakery (which I'm going to do in this game I'm playing) should I be drug before the courts to justify my statement? What if they simply disagree and say 'No, you were going to burn down X Bakery because four months ago they sold you a bad cupcake; that's what you said on Yelp! wasn't it "I can't believe they burned my cupcakes! I'd seriously like to watch their cupcakes burn -- I'm not even mad, I'm impressed."?' What if I suffer real legal harm for a harmless joke? What if I'm publicly disgraced, fired, and so forth [i]and then found innocent[/i]? Then I might sue them -- gumming up the system even further and burning even more money that needn't have been burnt. How would the court justify itself if this kid is traumatized as a result of this case, being drug before his community and the entire nation, examined with great scrutiny to determine whether he's crazy in the head? All this case is going to do is make harm where there should've been none. If you go too harsh on this kid, which the court seems perfectly fine with, you'll traumatize him: a kid so traumatized might go and commit suicide. The kid needs help and privacy, not a jail cell and character assassination.

[QUOTE=areolop;43305212]Yea if I saw someone threatening to shoot up a school I'd probably call the proper authorities on that person. 4Chan does it all the time. Its always been like this, it hasnt changed.[/QUOTE] 4Chan is different. 4Chan is a place notoriously known for anonymity where people post their illicit plans and doings all the time. Everything from Murder-speculation to Child Rape and abuse can be found on 4Chan from time to time. It's the scum-bucket of the internet. Facebook? Is [i]supposed[/i] to be a semi-private website where you can go and share information with those you actually intend to. When I post a meme or status on Facebook, i'm not posting it for you or some guy in the UK or France. I'm posting it for my family and friends. People who know me personally, and know my personality. People that wouldn't blink twice if I posted "Fuck the Gov't and all their corruptness. They should find a dark corner and blow themselves away with the very weapons they use overseas." But someone far, far away in Canada or France apparently has the means to view my content (Especially if you don't know about the Privacy tools, which FB intentionally does not speak about, for their own benefit.) and make bold assumptions on who I am and what I am doing. To a point where you can have me arrested and criminally charged for Words on a computer. Now, because this kid had a bad day online and decided to carry the rant into (what he deemed) a private channel, his life is likely ruined. He'll be labeled a domestic terrorist, serve time, and have his future forever altered for the worst. How would you like it if any time you ran into someone you didn't like and were arrested/fined/charged anytime you said something negative about them? I'm not saying what the Kid did was right, it wasn't. And now he's going to pay for it. But god damn, they could have slapped him on the wrist, given him a good little scare, and gone about their business. The world woulda' kept turnin'! Instead he's become a sort of Martyr to make an example of. This society is wholeheartedly overreacting about damn near everything. [b]Edit:[/b] If you take the time and watch the movie I posted above, not just the trailer, it is mind-blowing how little privacy we have anymore. Alone, there are two examples from the film: A British man who posted about "Killing it in America" on FB before his flight to LA; only to be arrested and interrogated for more than 5 hours as to what he meant by "Killing it in America". And another of an American man who went on FB and posted a quote from a movie after a hard day; only to have the SWAT show up at his door within the hour. Seriously guys? And it's all legal, because we agreed to it and no one EVER reads the Terms of Conditions. I used to be a Google butt-buddy. I loved Google. But now, after the shit I have learned? Fuck Corporations. Doesn't matter who you are or what they are. If they can make a dime off you, they'll do it by any means.

[QUOTE=Greenen72;43305288]10 years is too much for something like this, but people who threaten shit like this deserve some harsh punishment, no matter if they say "lol just kidding" afterwards[/QUOTE] I think it depends 100% on how long he took to say he was just kidding There's nothing wrong with calling the police on some guy who says he's gonna shoot up a school if you can't tell if he's being sarcastic or not, and if he comes by 4 hours later saying "Oh that thing I said earlier this morning? I was just kidding" you still probably did the right thing But if he makes such an incredibly exaggerated and over-the-top comment that's quickly followed by "lol jk" or whatever, you're really lacking in common sense if you think you should call the cops and possibly ruin someone's life over that.

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;43305347]you're really lacking in common sense if you think you should call the cops and possibly ruin someone's life over that.[/QUOTE] You're also lacking common sense if you think that threatening murder is ok in any situation I seriously don't get why people have to make death threats in the first place, or why they think it's ok just because it's the internet

Speedy fucking court trial, the kid has been in custody for almost a year now. gg freedom gg rights [editline]25th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Greenen72;43305438]You're also lacking common sense if you think that threatening murder is ok in any situation I seriously don't get why people have to make death threats in the first place, or why they think it's ok just because it's the internet[/QUOTE] also if you don't understand the concept of satire, or sarcasm, or any other social mechanics. You're probably spergious maximous.

[QUOTE=Greenen72;43305438]You're also lacking common sense if you think that threatening murder is ok in any situation I seriously don't get why people have to make death threats in the first place, or why they think it's ok just because it's the internet[/QUOTE] When did it occur to you that in this Society we raise individuals to be independent, well-mannered, and competent?

[QUOTE=Keys;43305464]When did it occur to you that in this Society we raise individuals to be independent, well-mannered, and competent?[/QUOTE] Our society has failed.

[QUOTE=Xystus234;43305172]As soon as I saw this was in Texas, I understood why this court case wasn't thrown out.[/QUOTE] And in finland, if he actually did shoot the school and eat the children's "still, beating" hearts he'd get 30 days in jail. [QUOTE=Greenen72;43305438]You're also lacking common sense if you think that threatening murder is ok in any situation I seriously don't get why people have to make death threats in the first place, or why they think it's ok just because it's the internet[/QUOTE] Some trash talk makes the game more fun

[QUOTE=Greenen72;43305438]You're also lacking common sense if you think that threatening murder is ok in any situation I seriously don't get why people have to make death threats in the first place, or why they think it's ok just because it's the internet[/QUOTE] It's a joke. Sure it might be disturbing and in bad taste, but once you realize it's a joke, there's no ACTUAL threat involved

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;43304463]There's literally nothing funny about saying you're going to shoot up a school, joke or not. He won't be sent to Jail but he'll get a stern warning that's for sure[/QUOTE] He has already been sent to jail. there was a story of someone paying his absurdly high bail for his family because he was getting physically beaten in jail.

[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;43304030]Yay, lets destroy someones life over a joke![/QUOTE] tbh anyone making such a bad joke deserves prison

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;43304510]He said it on fucking Facebook[/QUOTE] jk

it's like that guy carrying a heavy-ass briefcase on a flight amd the air-stwardness was like "oh thats heavy what do you have in it?" and he replied "a bomb" as a joke.

[QUOTE=Greenen72;43305438]You're also lacking common sense if you think that threatening murder is ok in any situation I seriously don't get why people have to make death threats in the first place, or why they think it's ok just because it's the internet[/QUOTE] LoL players are honestly the worst, most vile people I've ever met.

[QUOTE=kevlar jens;43306021]it's like that guy carrying a heavy-ass briefcase on a flight amd the air-stwardness was like "oh thats heavy what do you have in it?" and he replied "a bomb" as a joke.[/QUOTE] not really that's more comparable to him posting on facebook "i'm outside of a school and about to shoot everyone in it". what he said is more like if he replied to the stewardess "i TOTALLY have a huge bomb inside this briefcase!! just kidding, haha" while it'd still be idiotic, i doubt she'd really think he has a bomb

[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;43304030]Yay, lets destroy someones life over a joke![/QUOTE] I bet lives have been ruined for less.

[QUOTE=Cmx;43304546]Wouldn't this fall under free speech?[/QUOTE] In 'Murr'ca, you can say anything you want!* *unless it offends somebody No, seriously, that's how it works these days. Look at Phil Robertson, or all the fuck-tards who get their panties in a wad because "oh fuck a nativity scene in front of a courthouse so offensive!".

[QUOTE=areolop;43304674]Their trying to make an example out of him. "lol" and "jk" dont relieve you of responsibility.[/QUOTE] Making an example out of someone is absolutely abhorrent and has no place in the justice system. If you're not willing to apply a punishment to every single person who commits that offense, then the punishment does not fit the crime. It's [i]terrifying[/i] that you're a police officer tbh

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;43306512]In 'Murr'ca, you can say anything you want!* *unless if offends somebody [/QUOTE] freedom of speech means the government can't call you out on being an asshole it doesn't mean anyone else can't

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;43306512]In 'Murr'ca, you can say anything you want!* *unless if offends somebody No, seriously, that's how it works these days. Look at Phil Robertson, or all the fuck-tards who get their panties in a wad because "oh fuck a nativity scene in front of a courthouse so offensive!".[/QUOTE] Robertson isn't in jail? And religious symbols on public property falls under a completely different category.

It is fucking insane that the justice system is being used in any way, shape, or form to respond to a Facebook post.

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;43307282]It is fucking insane that the justice system is being used in any way, shape, or form to respond to a Facebook post.[/QUOTE] Depends, imo the justice system of a country should indeed cover whats posted in the internet as long as it is covered by the law, example: a guy pretends to be someone else after hacking their account to degrade their moral and so on. In this case however since the guy said it was a joke in the same post the comment was made I dont see why he should be arrested.

[Quote]Straight up you'd just ask the dipshit judge if he knows what JK means.[/QUOTE] JUST KILL

[QUOTE=kevlar jens;43306021]it's like that guy carrying a heavy-ass briefcase on a flight amd the air-stwardness was like "oh thats heavy what do you have in it?" and he replied "a bomb" as a joke.[/QUOTE] No it's not "like that" lol - some of the analogies people are putting this thread is downright idiotic and embarrassing to read.

Poor kid

[QUOTE=Zeke129;43306528]Making an example out of someone is absolutely abhorrent and has no place in the justice system. If you're not willing to apply a punishment to every single person who commits that offense, then the punishment does not fit the crime. It's [i]terrifying[/i] that you're a police officer tbh[/QUOTE] Then why doesnt everyone get probation? why do some go to jail and others prison for the same crime? Why are some sentenced to death while others live in a cement square for the rest of their life for the same crime? Its the discretionary policing system. Prosecutors recommend punishments, but in a bench trial the judge has full authority. This judge is a federal one so really he has a lot of room to play with for what he does. In this case he sentenced that man to 6 months jail and the writings. He's still doing hard time, but has conditions along with it.

[QUOTE=areolop;43309605]Then why doesnt everyone get probation? why do some go to jail and others prison for the same crime? Why are some sentenced to death while others live in a cement square for the rest of their life for the same crime? Its the discretionary policing system. Prosecutors recommend punishments, but in a bench trial the judge has full authority. This judge is a federal one so really he has a lot of room to play with for what he does. In this case he sentenced that man to 6 months jail and the writings. He's still doing hard time, but has conditions along with it.[/QUOTE] You do know that this is the case of the kid getting arrested and put in jail with an absurd bail because he wrote he was going to "shoot up a school" on facebook or something.

Disregard the last part then about the jail time and conditions and bench trial Had this confused with the rape one. Its still the discretionary system. [quote] In light of recent school shootings, Flanary said he can see why the words were not taken lightly. [/quote] [quote]According to the indictment, Carter wrote on Facebook: "Shoot up a kindergarten watch the blood rain down and eat the beating heart out of one of them." Those words landed the New Braunfels teen in jail five months ago.[/quote] [url]http://www.kens5.com/home/New-Braunfels-teen-still-in-jail-Justin-Carter-making-worldwide-headlines-for-Facebook-arrest-214656881.html[/url] I mean really. Dont go posting that you're going to shoot up a school on a public site especially after everyone is mega paranoid about shootings. I dont think the charges will stick through trial and I hope he doesnt get a bench trial

[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;43304030]Yay, lets destroy someones life over a joke![/QUOTE] Just playing devil's advocate but I think you at least deserve a slap on the wrist for making a joke like that amidst the recent school shoot-up news, or just shootings in general. It's like making a "joke" bomb threat a week after 9/11 happened, of course you were joking but the pigs are gonna be on your ass for good reason.

[QUOTE=Qwerty Bastard;43309759]Just playing devil's advocate but I think you at least deserve a slap on the wrist for making a joke like that amidst the recent school shoot-up news, or just shootings in general. It's like making a "joke" bomb threat a week after 9/11 happened, of course you were joking but the pigs are gonna be on your ass for good reason.[/QUOTE] No. If you call in a school and deliver a bomb threat then you will be arrested regardless because that's not a fucking joke. If you type a facetious and exaggerated bomb threat online to be followed with "I'm not serious" as he did, then there's no imminent threat, because he already indicated he wasn't serious. You obviously can't call a school and say "I'm going to shoot you guys up, just kidding" because why would you even call the school in the first place? In this case, making clearly-indicated jokes online are protected under free speech. If not, then I should be arrested for saying: "Fuck Wall Street, I'm going to shoot up a bank and eat everyone's beating hearts (not serious)" This is literally what he said, "lol jk" is perfectly tantamount to saying you 'aren't serious' but instead intended it to be facetious. Just because it's abbreviated doesn't lessen the fact. Clearly-indicated jokes online are protected speech because they don't violate imminent lawless action or else every fucking internet joke you see would be illegal.